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[BROseidon]

No - I don't have all the legends necessary.

I think you probs don't have to go highlander with it, though. Semi-highlander should work.

[Thestatusquo]

I agree. You see so many cards. IMO 2 scientist 2 blocks 2 barrier are mandatory.

[BROseidon]

I would also go 2 Arcane Ints?

[Thestatusquo]

The ones I'm seeing are basically just not going singleton at all.

[BROseidon]

Needs more legends.

[Thestatusquo]

does it? Like what?

[BROseidon]

Elise!

[BROseidon]

jk, it probs doesn't need any more legends.

[xRECKONERx]

does anyone have a good reno freeze mage list?

Yeah I'm running one right now. I'm having decent success. Not as much as I'd want, though. I think the issue is that cutting the Healbot is problematic because you could use Healbot to stabilize at any point, whereas now you have to wait till late game for Reno. I'd try something like:

2x Lance
2x Frostbolt
2x Ice Barrier
2x Ice Block
2x Frost Nova
2x Doomsayer
2x Mad Scientist

For the doubles. Everything else is singleton. Alex/Reno/Thaurissan/Thalnos/Antonidas for legendaries. Fill in with card draw (Acolyte, Intellect... Loot Hoarder? Engineer?) and board control (Flamestrike, Blizzard, Cone of Cold).

Without double Healbot for emergency stabilization, you kinda have to go all in on the board control & card draw engines. Also I sort of like Forgotten Torch as a one-of?

[Thestatusquo]

I only run 1 Healbot in my regular list.

[Sudo_Nym]

I've been seeing some articles suggesting that Elise is really good for Control Warrior, since it obviates the need for carrying lots of win cons. You can make your deck almost entirely answers, and just keep removing your opponents board until it turns your deck in legendaries. Don't know if it'll work, but sounds like fun.

[BROseidon]

Oh my god that sounds dumb.

[Thestatusquo]

I've had elise cast against me a lot in the last week or so and I've only seen the opp get the golden monkey once, and they lost the next turn. It just seems way too hard to set up. Maybe in a control warrior shell it would be better, I don't know, but people seem to be trying to shoehorn it into all sorts of decks right now and it hasn't seemed very good to me.

[BROseidon]

I might try out Elise control warrior. I wonder if I have all the parts for fatigue warrior...

[Sudo_Nym]

I imagine Elise isn't that good normally (though I'm at the point where I'm watching streamers and not actually playing right now), just because drawing it all out is super-inconsistent. But if you're a deck that draws the game out and draws most of their deck anyway, and just make your deck even more focused on stalling the game until you win, then maybe?

[BROseidon]

fwiw Tempostorm is saying to include Elise in control warrior.

[xRECKONERx]

i dont like elise that much since you get a random smattering of legendaries and usually by the time you draw it you have your wincons in your hand anyway

[BROseidon]

The point of Elise is that you don't actually run win cons anymore (other than Dr. 7 because fuck that guy).

I feel like Elise + Reno would be pretty good.

[Sudo_Nym]

Right. You don't bother with running wincons; you just run 29 answers + Elise. Just keep removing your opponent's board until you get the Golden Monkey, then start dropping legendaries. Feels like it'd be a slow win, but that's not too far removed from what Fatigue Warrior was doing already.

[Thestatusquo]

After running reno freeze all of last night I've decided that I like it less than traditional freeze mage. It just seems less consistent and you have to run stinkers like cone of cold which has been consistently unimpressive. The main problem though seems to be that you have to cut cards like the second acolyte of pain which makes the deck more inconsistent and gives it less velocity at drawing to the relevant answers. Not being able to play reno when I needed to only came up once, but the issues like cone of cold just being so much worse than blizzard no 2 and card drawing being worse came up basically every game.

[BROseidon]

I would like to try my hand at a control deck, but they require too many expensive cards (and I don't like disenchanting shit that isn't excess)

[xRECKONERx]

29 answers + Elise

ahhh, if only magic style control decks were a thing in Hearthstone

no class has 29 answers

[BROseidon]

I think you need to play more Priest, Mage, and Warrior.

Answers for daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaays

[Thestatusquo]

The list I posted above only has 4 non-answer/non-card draw cards.

[Thestatusquo]

and that's not counting alex or pyroblast as answers, though they can be if you're desperate.