What in the hell?
How did you come to this conclusion?
I am saying that one persons opinion of balanced is different from a other, so anyone calling something "Objectively Balanced" is basically asking for trouble.
In post 27, zMuffinMan wrote:this is pretty awful. setups aren't balanced by the playerlist. a playerlist being weak or strong doesn't affect the balance of a setup (though it may affect the outcome of an individual game)
but again, this isn't an argument for or against closed setups but mafia games in general
I was more talking about how a setup that could be considered "Town sided" or reverse could end up being a good and fun and seemingly balanced game. Even though some would see it as not being actually balanced.
Its more of combination of events that cause the game to actually turn up fine and not a train wreck.
And yeah this could happen with Open and Semi, but my problem is you don't know what your getting into with Closed where Semi/Open you kind of get a disclosure before just by looking at it.
In post 27, zMuffinMan wrote:whether or not they're better, there are reasons people prefer closed setups. it allows for a different kind of experience insofar as getting creative with claims and thinking about whether claims make sense or not, which provides its own set of challenges to make the game more interesting (at least for some)
This is funny because I actually see less creativity with claims on this site than my own site. Like roles on this site are very.....vanilla. You guys have different roles but its far safer to claim a VT than do anything actually creative and bullshit a role claim.
My homesite where its only open/semi you kinda are expected to make a legit sounding role claim. And if its a Semi open its not always just a CC someone elses claim.
Just because you have limited options doesn't mean you can't be creative. Hell I claimed that I was role blocked and bus drived in a game where we had no bus driver or roleblocker on my homesite, I ended up winning that just because of insane play that kept everyone scratching their head.
In post 27, zMuffinMan wrote:i don't think i played anything outside of open setups for a while after joining this site because i'm not dumb enough to jump into the deep end without knowing how to swim
I thought newbie games were supposed to prepare me to play on this site as a whole, and get used to meta.
Explain to me why Newbie is Semi-Open when 90% of the site is Closed.
Please, explain it.
If I am expected to read games before I play on here to know how to play on this site, I don't see the point in the newbie queue.
In post 27, zMuffinMan wrote:read and learn. use your head. then you'll be less likely to have this issue
I just want some damn transparency going in, and honestly I don't see why not. Considering time invested for players who play the games can be months long.