NY 192: Game Shop Mafia (Over)

[TheCow]

^cows last posts was a bunch of nothing. What was your intentions when you posted that?

Commentary on my thoughts while reading the thread to be used at a later date or so other people can get a more "emotional" kinda read on me. Also to bring my own thoughts into the fray, though not directly contributing to the discussion. I intend to bring my own shit to the table when I make a voting post. Whenever that is.

[AngryPidgeon]

Vote Count 1.4

Dwlee99 (3) - TheCow, Fro99er, Nosferatu
Frozen Angel (2) - Dwlee99, Nero Cain
Keyser Söze (2) - Zulfy, Wickedestjr
Wickedestjr (1) - Wake88
JarJarDrinks (1) - davesaz
Fro99er (1) - Aeronaut
Zulfy (1) - Keyser Söze
Aeronaut (1) - Frozen Angel
DeathNote (1) - RadiantCowbells

Not voting (4) - pisskop, DeathNote, JarJarDrinks

[Wickedestjr]

Frozen Angel, yoo hoo, can I ask where you are from?

Why are you asking her about this?

RC is probably scum, actually. I am p sure of it.
And D5 when town decides to lynch you and you flip scum, rc?

If RC is probably scum, then why are you not voting him? Instead, you are sheeping Aero's page 1 "I don't like this post" vote for Frozen Angel, which he removed a few pages later...

Like either Aero/Fro99er are both scum or they are both town (most likely the later)

Why "most likely the latter" ?

[Wickedestjr]

Unvote. Vote: Aeronaut

RC is probably scum, actually. I am p sure of it.
And D5 when town decides to lynch you and you flip scum, rc?

Why is RC scum?

Because her vote on me. She should know better.

Grossss
You can't expect any of us to relate to your personal knowlage of RC or his personal knowledge of you. This is subjective and not in any way a real argument.

You asked Dwlee for his reasoning. So why, when he gives his reasoning, do you discount it because it's personal knowledge rather than attempt to understand the reason itself? I think it's unreasonable that you would complain about the reasoning being un-relatable considering he only gave the reasoning because he was asked for it. Also, what does grossss mean in the context of a mafia game?

Sure. Here's the exact post: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p7188512

I was also scum in that game though, which means most of what I said was just BS

Not sure why this matters. Even if you were scum, it still remains true that you acknowledged him vote hopping in another game where he was town - yet voted him for similar behavior here.

Generally when town he gets into a townVtown and really flustered early on. Check Refraction Mafia if you want to see a good example of this, I almost had to replace him multiple times. As scum, he's really calm and quiet and non confrontational; check Delicious Mafia 2 if you want a good example of that.

Is this grossss?
Do you think Fro99er is aware of this tell?

[RadiantCowbells]

To clarify, I don't know Dwlee's play half as well as he asserts.

I'm not sure what to think of the outburst but I really don't like DeathNote's last so I'm staying on it.

[Dwlee99]

I don't care that you vote hopped, I simply thought about what I would do as scum, if somebody accused me and someone else of being scum, I'd try to turn it against that other person, as well as distance myself from them.

IT HAD NOTHING TO DO W TH YOU ACCUSING ME

JESUS FUCK

I would seriously replace out of this game had I not pre inned because I wanted to play an AP game.

Aero is probably town, because I don't think he, as someone I consider a MS friend, would make me this angry if he was scum who knew I was town.

Yea. You're town.

I'll remember to flip the fuck out next time I play with someone I consider an MS friend.

VOTE: Dwlee
something bothers me about you and I don't know what. Post more so I can tell you why you're scum.

Well I'm town so.. *shrug*

[Dwlee99]

To clarify, I don't know Dwlee's play half as well as he asserts.

I'm not sure what to think of the outburst but I really don't like DeathNote's last so I'm staying on it.

You have seen my scum game, this isn't it.

[RadiantCowbells]

We've never finished a game together though.

So unless you're saying that you should be autolynched in our current shared games for a 50/50 chance of being scum, I'm not sure what you're trying to prove.

[Dwlee99]

We've never finished a game together though.

So unless you're saying that you should be autolynched in our current shared games for a 50/50 chance of being scum, I'm not sure what you're trying to prove.

You were in justified, no..?

[RadiantCowbells]

No, I wasn't.

[Zulfy]

vla 2 days

[Dwlee99]

No, I wasn't.

O_O

Oh, okay, nvm. You said something about being scared of me because of Justified and I thought you were in that game. My bad lol

[davesaz]

However, I reach the last page and suddenly lost my desire to care because Mafia is a bullshit game. What's the point of playing if people can just meta read so hard? Like either Aero/Fro99er are both scum or they are both town (most likely the later) but the fact that the can just "townread" each other like that defeats the purpose for me. I can't get back into the meta of this game because I don't know enough of peoples meta.

What about the possibility that one is scum but knows his meta well enough to fake it, well enough to fool the other?

What about that would never work? Like who reasonably does that? Sure you can bus a partner but who has the gall to try and meta clear someone day 1?

That's not what I'm saying. A is scum but knows his meta well enough to fool town B into thinking he's town.
So I'm saying that Aero and Fro99er aren't necessarily the same alignment from that interaction, like you seemed to think.

[davesaz]

Mollie/Fro99er are similar in the sense that they meta clear themselves right? I've seen her bitch about people pressuring her and the most common saying is always something along the lines of "PLAYER X, would I do that as scum???"

But don't most people do that, react to pressure with "that's how I always play", especially when they're town?

[Wickedestjr]

Dwlee, you missed this question;

RC is probably scum, actually. I am p sure of it.
And D5 when town decides to lynch you and you flip scum, rc?

If you thought RC was probably scum, then why were you not voting him? Instead, you are sheeping Aero's page 1 "I don't like this post" vote for Frozen Angel, which he removed a few pages later...

[Nero Cain]

I mean siriously what the hell is this? I ever said Dweele is scum for it?

why are you guys all putting things in my mouth?

and No omgus is no allignment indicative :

VOTE: Nero

I reread this thread and I can't find "why your happy with that vote" it

seems you only want to make a fast wagon and get over with it.

My biggest thing is that you had already laid down an RVS vote and yet you were moving your "RVS" vote, Why? It feels like scum trying to be playful and integrate themselves into the game.

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee, you missed this question;

RC is probably scum, actually. I am p sure of it.
And D5 when town decides to lynch you and you flip scum, rc?

If you thought RC was probably scum, then why were you not voting him? Instead, you are sheeping Aero's page 1 "I don't like this post" vote for Frozen Angel, which he removed a few pages later...

Cause I didn't think it was enough to warrant a vote yet and I wanted to see their response.

[Frozen Angel]

I mean siriously what the hell is this? I ever said Dweele is scum for it?

why are you guys all putting things in my mouth?

and No omgus is no allignment indicative :

VOTE: Nero

I reread this thread and I can't find "why your happy with that vote" it

seems you only want to make a fast wagon and get over with it.

My biggest thing is that you had already laid down an RVS vote and yet you were moving your "RVS" vote, Why? It feels like scum trying to be playful and integrate themselves into the game.

Whats RVS? Whats its purpose?

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Random_Vote

It feels it was like me who was trying to gain Intel and it is you who trying to force a reason to show me guilty... Because I can't believe that you don't know whats RVS

[DeathNote]

Why "most likely the latter" ?

Because two scum wouldn't do that?

However, I reach the last page and suddenly lost my desire to care because Mafia is a bullshit game. What's the point of playing if people can just meta read so hard? Like either Aero/Fro99er are both scum or they are both town (most likely the later) but the fact that the can just "townread" each other like that defeats the purpose for me. I can't get back into the meta of this game because I don't know enough of peoples meta.

What about the possibility that one is scum but knows his meta well enough to fake it, well enough to fool the other?

What about that would never work? Like who reasonably does that? Sure you can bus a partner but who has the gall to try and meta clear someone day 1?

That's not what I'm saying. A is scum but knows his meta well enough to fool town B into thinking he's town.
So I'm saying that Aero and Fro99er aren't necessarily the same alignment from that interaction, like you seemed to think.

Based off the interaction, is that what you think happened? I see two people who seemed to have convinced each other at the same time they were town. If meta were so easily broken, people wouldn't be trying to use it non-stop to convince others. Lets face it, Meta is the easiest way to get a solid read on someone if you honestly know their playstyle.

Mollie/Fro99er are similar in the sense that they meta clear themselves right? I've seen her bitch about people pressuring her and the most common saying is always something along the lines of "PLAYER X, would I do that as scum???"

But don't most people do that, react to pressure with "that's how I always play", especially when they're town?

No? I would hope to think most players try to argue against whatever case was against them instead of just saying the scummy thing they did isn't scummy because that's just what I do.

It's like if I told everyone that I hammer anyone at L-1 and will Lurk all game, but don't worry that's my town play.

[Nero Cain]

It feels it was like me who was trying to gain Intel and it is you who trying to force a reason to show me guilty... Because I can't believe that you don't know whats RVS

yes that was me not understanding RVS

Tell me, what intel were you trying to gain by switching your vote to DWLEE?

[Frozen Angel]

It feels it was like me who was trying to gain Intel and it is you who trying to force a reason to show me guilty... Because I can't believe that you don't know whats RVS

yes that was me not understanding RVS

Tell me, what intel were you trying to gain by switching your vote to DWLEE?

yes that was you pretending you don't know RVS ...

that your probably scum for wagoning base on it

[Nero Cain]

Tell me, what intel were you trying to gain by switching your vote to DWLEE?

[Frozen Angel]

Are you skimming my post intentionally?

That your probably scum because of wagoning on me base on that vote.

what others usually gain from their RVS votes?

[Frozen Angel]

and I was reaction testing.

Dweele really OMGUS'ed me after that so yeah... that's noted for now.

[DeathNote]

and I was reaction testing.

Dweele really OMGUS'ed me after that so yeah... that's noted for now.

I don't believe that for a second.