NY 192: Game Shop Mafia (Over)

Fro99er · Post Post #750 (ISO) » Tue Dec 22, 2015 3:36 am

And zulfy

Fro99er · Post Post #751 (ISO) » Tue Dec 22, 2015 3:37 am

Ok. Beach time.

Nero Cain · Post Post #752 (ISO) » Tue Dec 22, 2015 4:39 am

In post 724, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 720, Nero Cain wrote:Sure I guess. What do you think of FA claiming that her vote on Dwlee was a reaction test?

Frozen Angel's vote and reason: (post 16)

Frozen Angel's thought-process: (post 46)

Frozen Angel's motive: (post 52) "to make the game more progressive" during RVS.

Yes, I could see both town-Frozen Angel and scum-Frozen Angel doing this.
I personally read it as
null
.

Now, let me follow your scum-Frozen Angel narrative...

What if it wasn't a page one reaction test?
What
would you descibe it as?

Why
did scum-Frozen Angel choose to break RVS by attacking Dwlee99's RVS/"OMGUS" vote on page one?
What do you think her scum-
motivation
was on page one?

Then you have 28 pages to catch up on.

That's some nice cherry picking defense there.

My thing here is mostly that I really don't think she did any sort of reaction test and thus she lied. So L.A.L.

In post 41, pisskop wrote:We'll know if she is scum because
she gets chainsawwy about partners
and talks like she knows her endgoal and plays emtional tag.

This is also here in the back of my mind and her vote IS a chainsaw defense.

JarJarDrinks · Post Post #753 (ISO) » Tue Dec 22, 2015 4:44 am

hey Nero. Got any opinions on anyone other than Frozen Angel ?

Frozen Angel · Post Post #754 (ISO) » Tue Dec 22, 2015 4:48 am

First LAL is a kind of policy lynch. second I never lied about anything and it was obvious that I was putting RVS in page 1.

In post 752, Nero Cain wrote:This is also here in the back of my mind and her vote IS a chainsaw defense.

first : pisskop have no meta read on me. I really never played with him before as scum. and in my only town game with him people ended day 1 with an lol hammer and end day 2 because of the gunsmith's fake gun claim on someone and I died night 2.

second : what chainsaw defense?

davesaz · Post Post #755 (ISO) » Tue Dec 22, 2015 4:50 am

Catching up from page 24. Keyser looks very different from what I remember but I have not seen enough to know hat it means.

Nosferatu · Post Post #756 (ISO) » Tue Dec 22, 2015 4:53 am

VOTE: davesaz
pedit: oh he's back

Nero Cain · Post Post #757 (ISO) » Tue Dec 22, 2015 4:55 am

In post 753, JarJarDrinks wrote:hey Nero. Got any opinions on anyone other than Frozen Angel ?

eh, not really. Though at some point I need to meta DN b/c I vaguely remember scum reading that guy all the time for doing jack shit when he was town.

I also have a strange townish gut read on Cow.

In post 754, Frozen Angel wrote:it was obvious that I was putting RVS in page 1.

So your dwlee vote was RVS?

In post 754, Frozen Angel wrote:what chainsaw defense?

chainsaw defense is attacking a persons attacker.

Frozen Angel · Post Post #758 (ISO) » Tue Dec 22, 2015 4:56 am

In post 757, Nero Cain wrote:So your dwlee vote was RVS?

wasn't it?!!!

Nero Cain wrote:
chainsaw defense is attacking a persons attacker.

ha?!

Nero Cain · Post Post #759 (ISO) » Tue Dec 22, 2015 5:00 am

In post 758, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 757, Nero Cain wrote:So your dwlee vote was RVS?

wasn't it?!!!

no?

you said it was a reaction test

Frozen Angel · Post Post #760 (ISO) » Tue Dec 22, 2015 5:01 am

In post 759, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 758, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 757, Nero Cain wrote:So your dwlee vote was RVS?

wasn't it?!!!

no?

you said it was a reaction test

whats RVS for then?

Nero Cain · Post Post #761 (ISO) » Tue Dec 22, 2015 5:03 am

nothing. RVS is just for silly randomness.

JarJarDrinks · Post Post #762 (ISO) » Tue Dec 22, 2015 5:04 am

From the wiki:

The purpose of random voting (and the so-called Random Voting Stage or RVS) is to spur the game into action by causing players to act in revealing ways.

Mystery solved Nero. Can u move on please?

Frozen Angel · Post Post #763 (ISO) » Tue Dec 22, 2015 5:05 am

In post 761, Nero Cain wrote:nothing. RVS is just for silly randomness.

SERIOUSLY?!!!

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Random_Vote

Wickedestjr · Post Post #764 (ISO) » Tue Dec 22, 2015 5:06 am

In post 585, Keyser Söze wrote:a) if scum, you will be exposed for posting/pushing weak scum cases (your second one so far this game).
b) if town, you will be miss-lynched for posting weak scum cases.

It is a WIN-WIN for me. Not for you.

Keyser, can you explain why b is a win for you? I don't think you have explained this, yet. If you have, then a post number is all I need.

Wickedestjr · Post Post #765 (ISO) » Tue Dec 22, 2015 5:09 am

In post 722, TheCow wrote:Wickedestjr want to do me a favor? please lynch yourself and/or stop being a literal and figurative weed.

First of all, I don't know what 'weed' means in this context. Maybe you could explain? I think I've been pretty nice this game (I generally try to be), so I'm not sure what the problem is or why you're insulting me right now.

Nero Cain · Post Post #766 (ISO) » Tue Dec 22, 2015 5:10 am

In post 762, JarJarDrinks wrote:From the wiki:

The purpose of random voting (and the so-called Random Voting Stage or RVS) is to spur the game into action by causing players to act in revealing ways.

Mystery solved Nero. Can u move on please?

i'll think about it.

JarJarDrinks · Post Post #767 (ISO) » Tue Dec 22, 2015 5:11 am

In post 764, Wickedestjr wrote:
In post 585, Keyser Söze wrote:a) if scum, you will be exposed for posting/pushing weak scum cases (your second one so far this game).
b) if town, you will be miss-lynched for posting weak scum cases.

It is a WIN-WIN for me. Not for you.
Keyser, can you explain why b is a win for you? I don't think you have explained this, yet. If you have, then a post number is all I need.

He's saying that mislynching town is a win for him becuase he is scum and wanted everyone to know it.

Keyser Söze · Post Post #768 (ISO) » Tue Dec 22, 2015 5:13 am

In post 752, Nero Cain wrote:My thing here is mostly that I really don't think she did any sort of reaction test and thus she lied.
So L.A.L.

Lynch all liars?
I am not lynching Frozen Angel over her claim that she voted Dwlee99 "to make the game more progressive".
I would only lynch a possible "lie" of more substance. E.g a fake roleclaim, an incorrect investigation, conflicting events.

Answer my questions though:

In post 724, Keyser Söze wrote:
Now, let me follow your scum-Frozen Angel narrative...

What if it wasn't a page one reaction test?
What
would you descibe it as?

Why
did scum-Frozen Angel choose to break RVS by attacking Dwlee99's RVS/"OMGUS" vote on page one?
What do you think her scum-
motivation
was on page one?

Is the

'Lynch all liars'

the main thrust of your scum case on her, or do you have any further reasons?

Wickedestjr · Post Post #769 (ISO) » Tue Dec 22, 2015 5:16 am

In post 746, JarJarDrinks wrote:
In post 663, Wickedestjr wrote:Okay, DeathNote is town.

Can you please explain this?

As I said last night, I initially townread him for post 653, which I interpreted and still interpret as a serious role claim.

Maybe I'm conf-biasing, but his subsequent posts (688 and 689) give me very good vibes too: his reaction to RC, his "I have no f-ing regrets" comment, his most-recent stance on meta, and his intention to stop playing after this game all seem really genuine. I have a really hard time believing that DN faked all of that...

JarJarDrinks · Post Post #770 (ISO) » Tue Dec 22, 2015 5:34 am

In post 769, Wickedestjr wrote:
In post 746, JarJarDrinks wrote:
In post 663, Wickedestjr wrote:Okay, DeathNote is town.

Can you please explain this?
As I said last night, I initially townread him for post 653, which I interpreted and still interpret as a serious role claim.

Oh I had no idea Tree Stump was an actual role. Just Wiki'd it.

So how does that work? It says he can't vote so doesn't his name appearing in the VC pretty much kill that?

JarJarDrinks · Post Post #771 (ISO) » Tue Dec 22, 2015 5:36 am

And if you're taking that as a serious claim, can you answer this now?

In post 628, Wickedestjr wrote:

JarJar wrote:I'd love for you to speculate on what possible answer he could have for "why are you stating that you won't get lynched?"
I have one idea for what he could say. But I'm not going to openly speculate because I want him to come up with his own answer.

Keyser Söze · Post Post #772 (ISO) » Tue Dec 22, 2015 5:39 am

In post 744, JarJarDrinks wrote:DNs claim will help us determine his alignment.

Please explain. I believe the WIFOM will still remain.

In post 744, JarJarDrinks wrote:
- If DN is scum then getting a claim out of him helps town only
- If DN is town then getting a claim out of him helps both town and scum

Would you want a

full

roleclaim from DeathNote ASAP?

I will revisit DeathNote's defence later. If /when I vote DeathNote, it would be because

'I think he is the scummiest player'

, and no other reason.

In post 748, Fro99er wrote:RC and JarJar are the two I'm going to bounce ideas off because they are my strongest town reads.

In post 748, Fro99er wrote:I think FA is close behind but I can't understand her all the time. Aero I believe is town. I think Dwlee is town too.

In post 748, Fro99er wrote:DN needs to die. Cow, Keyser, Piss and Wicked are in my idk to possibly scum pile.

I need reasons for these reads. I only understand the strength/sincerity of your votes/reads when you support them with substance.
Your ISO is very naked - your only material interaction was your childish overreaction (post 132) from when Aeronaut was putting you under pressure. You then posted a firm town read of Aeronaut.

In post 134, Fro99er wrote:Aero is probably town, because I don't think he, as someone I consider a MS friend, would make me this angry if he was scum who knew I was town.

I took note of this.
You also asked pisskop to give his read of you.
You promised that this would yield a ''ton of information''.
I am yet to see this ''ton of information''.
The rest of your posts are null/fluff.
Enjoy your time on the beach.... or replace out.

JarJarDrinks · Post Post #773 (ISO) » Tue Dec 22, 2015 5:50 am

In post 772, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 744, JarJarDrinks wrote:DNs claim will help us determine his alignment.

Please explain. I believe the WIFOM will still remain.

@ minimum, we can decide how believable it is. Sure there's some wifom but that doesn't mean we ignore it.

Best case is that DN makes a claim and is countered by someone and we catch scum. The fact that you're not even considering this as an option makes me think you know DNs alignment.

In post 772, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 744, JarJarDrinks wrote:
- If DN is scum then getting a claim out of him helps town only
- If DN is town then getting a claim out of him helps both town and scum

Would you want a
full
roleclaim from DeathNote ASAP?

Yes

davesaz · Post Post #774 (ISO) » Tue Dec 22, 2015 5:52 am

In post 756, Nosferatu wrote:VOTE: davesaz
pedit: oh he's back

So what, you're picking someone who hasn't posted in a while to pressure?
I thought you liked your vote because you thought it was on scum.

Dwlee going apeshit over Keyser's "scumslip" is changing my view of him. That's too tenuous to be something that scum would be comfortable pushing, especially in the face of such an apathetic reaction to it. And even moreso with a couple of heavy posters actively calling it into question. I'm not really sure he's town, but it's enough to move him back to null.
UNVOTE:

I'm a little surprised pisskop still seems to be going after a lead that happened way back on the first couple of pages. That's vaguely scummy to me, but I've learned over the past couple of games that I almost always read him opposite of his actual alignment. Very weak town for now.

RC claimed scum but it was obviously sarcasm in response to what was going on in the thread at the time. I never have an easy time reading RC but I do know there is just enough crazy under the hood to do this while scum. The rest looks more town than what I'm used to seeing, but I'm going to call it null-scum for now and remain vigilant.

Keyser's posts are hurting my brain, but I see obviously town logic behind them. With the occasional misstatement like the "scumslip", but nobody's perfect.

Someone pointed out that the V/LA player wasn't posting and that it was scummy. Not paying attention but not reallly alignment indicative.

Wake seems slow off the mark but I think I've only been in one game with him.

Was it DN who was making such a big deal about not liking meta? I'm always suspicious of meta clears, especially mutual clears.