NY 192: Game Shop Mafia (Over)

[Aeronaut]

I love how everyone's just letting Jestr fly by.

I mean, I'm not. I just don't have a lot of solid case on him besides the fact that his posts feel fake as fuck. Which I guess is good enough for some people.

Tell me about it. I mention something like that and typically get lynched for it, others can literally say someone's posts are "fake as fuck" with a vote and others give them a towngod read.

Well the key to that is to recognize that you can't campaign for somebody's lynch with things as vague as "He's Fake!" and "She gives me bad vibes" because that's entirely subjective and isn't really convincing to everyone else. People like solid reasoning.

I mean,

it doesn't really hurt him as scum, but it doesn't really help him as scum

. It's just him being an ass. Which I don't understand how that would clear him as town.

True. He is a null-town-lean for me at the moment.
But like I said he is inviting pressure/a vote/an investigation on his slot.
I do not feel like anyone is able to engage with him so far on D1, as he is putting up a front (which I am giving him a marginal null-town-lean for).
If he does not 'open up' he will face the consequences (while I think scum don't want to line themselves up for the inevitable).

Yea, but isn't 'putting up a front' more like something that scum would do? Townies don't need to hide behind masks.

[JarJarDrinks]

The fact that you're not even considering this as an option makes me think you know DNs alignment.

Miss-rep.
Show me where I know DeathNote's alignment.

Miss-rep.
Show me where I say you know DeathNote's alignment.

See I can semantic too.

[Keyser Söze]

Show me where I say you know DeathNote's alignment.

makes me think you know DNs alignment.

How the f**k do I know DeathNote's alignment?
If you think I know, what alignment does that make DeathNote?

I'm looking forward to hearing his new scum-read (most of his last posts have been defensive, I prefer to see players on the offensive).
I'm off to see Star Wars: The Force Awakens now (no George Lucas or Jar Jar, WIN-WIN).

[JarJarDrinks]

OK, so I make this post:

Best case is that DN makes a claim and is countered by someone and we catch scum. The fact that you're not even considering this as an option makes me think you know DNs alignment.

Keysor then responds by quoting the second sentence only:

The fact that you're not even considering this as an option makes me think you know DNs alignment.

Miss-rep.
Show me where I know DeathNote's alignment.
I'm trying to talk this through with you rationally.
I already (repeatedly) shared my position on DeathNote. And I will re-read his posts this evening.

If I scum-read him

I will vote him.

He then says:

Best case is that DN makes a claim and is

countered

by someone and we catch scum.

Missed this post.
Yes,

high risk, but rich reward

.
I can see how you think that this is the right play we need to make to resolve the WIFOM.
DeathNote, Joined : July 13, 2009. He should know better too.
I'm a noob, and even I realise it was a bad move.
I'll come back to his slot later.

How the F did he miss the post if he just responded to it? Or what exactly did he think he was responding to the first time?

Keysor, what did you think "The fact that you're not even considering this as an option" referred to?

[JarJarDrinks]

And if you're taking that as a serious claim, can you answer this now?

I'd love for you to speculate on what possible answer he could have for "why are you stating that you won't get lynched?"

I have one idea for what he could say. But I'm not going to openly speculate because I want him to come up with his own answer.

Saying you have an idea is bad, but if Wicked is fishing, this is fishing squared. The only answer should come from the person who made the statement in the first place.

Huh? How is it fishing? The answer for this should most definately come from wicked. Cause I don't think there is an answer.

[JarJarDrinks]

I will also NOT be claiming anything

else

yet for those just wanting me to claim ASAP.

Else? Meaning the treestump claim was legit?

[Keyser Söze]

On mobile.
The 'I already know his alignment' bullshit miss-rep (1st reply)
The 'let's fish out a counter-claim' (2nd reply)
I.e I revisited your post twice. Both parts needed my attention.

Now answer my question. If you think I know DeathNote's alignment, what alignment does that make him?

[JarJarDrinks]

On mobile.
The 'I already know his alignment' bullshit miss-rep (1st reply)
The 'let's fish out a counter-claim' (2nd reply)
I.e I revisited your post twice. Both parts needed my attention.

Now answer my question. If you think I know DeathNote's alignment, what alignment does that make him?

If you are scum that knows his alignment, that makes him town.

And before you say something: No that doesn't mean I'm townreading DN.

[JarJarDrinks]

On mobile.
The 'I already know his alignment' bullshit miss-rep (1st reply)
The 'let's fish out a counter-claim' (2nd reply)

I.e I revisited your post twice. Both parts needed my attention.

yeah, see THIS is a misrep. Yeah, my post had 2 seperate parts that you responded to. But the statement I'm talking about was from the first part and you chopped it in half.

Lemme break it down further so it's clear what I'm asking.

The fact that you're not even considering this as an option makes me think you know DNs alignment.

Miss-rep.
Show me where I know DeathNote's alignment.
I'm trying to talk this through with you rationally.
I already (repeatedly) shared my position on DeathNote. And I will re-read his posts this evening. If I scum-read him I will vote him.

When you posted this, what did you think you were responding to?

"The fact that you're not even considering

this

..."

What do you think

this

was referring to?

[JarJarDrinks]

See, I think this shows a pretty scummy mindset. He read this:

Best case is that DN makes a claim and is countered by someone and we catch scum. The fact that you're not even considering this as an option makes me think you know DNs alignment.

And all he sees is "you know DNs alignment". And he immediately goes into scum defense mode cause he's being accused. He doesn't care about any other part of the post except the part that attacks him.

[davesaz]

And if you're taking that as a serious claim, can you answer this now?

I'd love for you to speculate on what possible answer he could have for "why are you stating that you won't get lynched?"

I have one idea for what he could say. But I'm not going to openly speculate because I want him to come up with his own answer.

Saying you have an idea is bad, but if Wicked is fishing, this is fishing squared. The only answer should come from the person who made the statement in the first place.

Huh? How is it fishing? The answer for this should most definately come from wicked. Cause I don't think there is an answer.

If they're both town, Wicked answering could inadvertently out the role, which is bad for town.

[Dwlee99]

I am upset because he is saying mislynches are wins. THEN he repeates himself. And yes, dave, I am pissed that my mislynch would be a win but that isnt my case atm.

[JarJarDrinks]

And if you're taking that as a serious claim, can you answer this now?

I'd love for you to speculate on what possible answer he could have for "why are you stating that you won't get lynched?"

I have one idea for what he could say. But I'm not going to openly speculate because I want him to come up with his own answer.

Saying you have an idea is bad, but if Wicked is fishing, this is fishing squared. The only answer should come from the person who made the statement in the first place.

Huh? How is it fishing? The answer for this should most definately come from wicked. Cause I don't think there is an answer.

If they're both town, Wicked answering could inadvertently out the role, which is bad for town.

This post is so bad. I'm not sure where to start.

- First off: The question wicked is actually asking is basically "If you're not implying that you're a PR, why are you stating that you wont get lynched?". Guess you're not really following the thread?


- Second off: Let's say it is speculation about what DNs role is. I need you to walk me through your thought process. Please explain to me how wicked speculating about DNs role could inadvertently out the role?

[Nosferatu]

VOTE: davesaz
pedit: oh he's back

So... were you just going to start voting for lurkers instead of scum reads?

If I was voting Dave because he hadn't posted in awhile and he's posting right now, I would have unvoted at this point.

[davesaz]

And if you're taking that as a serious claim, can you answer this now?

I'd love for you to speculate on what possible answer he could have for "why are you stating that you won't get lynched?"

I have one idea for what he could say. But I'm not going to openly speculate because I want him to come up with his own answer.

Saying you have an idea is bad, but if Wicked is fishing, this is fishing squared. The only answer should come from the person who made the statement in the first place.

Huh? How is it fishing? The answer for this should most definately come from wicked. Cause I don't think there is an answer.

If they're both town, Wicked answering could inadvertently out the role, which is bad for town.

This post is so bad. I'm not sure where to start.

- First off: The question wicked is actually asking is basically "If you're not implying that you're a PR, why are you stating that you wont get lynched?". Guess you're not really following the thread?


- Second off: Let's say it is speculation about what DNs role is. I need you to walk me through your thought process. Please explain to me how wicked speculating about DNs role could inadvertently out the role?

If Wicked is town trying to catch scum DM in a lie, isn't it clear that DM has to be the one to answer in order for the question to work?
If Wicked is town who thinks DM is town, isn't it clear that neither one should answer? And town should let it go instead of keeping it part of the conversation.
And if Wicked is scum and speculates, he might find out if that's actually the role or not based on reactions.

My point is that it seems to hurt town more to press this than it helps. What's the scenario that it helps?

[Fro99er]

Stuff and things.

Way too many words here.

Still ignoring robot.

[Fro99er]

JarJar is still town.

Still not giving reasons because I like watching robot get annoyed

[Fro99er]

I will also NOT be claiming anything

else

yet for those just wanting me to claim ASAP.

Else? Meaning the treestump claim was legit?

If that's his actual claim it's almost so outrageous its town. Because treestump non-normal, but could just be one of the two allowable non normal roles.

JarJar, who ya scum reading because I'm not sifting through 50,000 words every time I have 5 min to come back to this game.

[JarJarDrinks]

DN
Wicked
TheCow
Dwlee
Keyser

[JarJarDrinks]

and townreading:

RC
FA
Aero
Frog

[Fro99er]

I 100% agree with the town list you posted, but I'm kinda feeling robot is also town (not positive) and pisskop is scum.

Dwlee is town too, I think.

Don't asked me to explain. I won't because there's way to fucking many words here and I don't have time to sit here and wall post with quotes and stuff.

[Fro99er]

Yes my robot read changed from my last check in. sometimes a run on the beach clears the mind.

[TheCow]

Stuff and things.

Way too many words here.

Still ignoring robot.

counterproductive ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ

[Fro99er]

I am upset because he is saying mislynches are wins. THEN he repeates himself. And yes, dave, I am pissed that my mislynch would be a win but that isnt my case atm.

Dwlee - I don't think it's a scum slip.

For example, I think it would be a win for town of robot was gone, regardless of alignment. It would make me hate this game a lot less.

Who are your top 3 scumreads right now?

[Fro99er]

Stuff and things.

Way too many words here.

Still ignoring robot.

counterproductive ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ

Irony coming from you. I like it.