Mini 1749: Classic Rock Mafia: Game Over!

[RadiantCowbells]

Classic Rock Mafia:

Votecount #1.2:

MattP (4): Garmr, iraonavp, Radja, Aeronaut
Aeronaut (2): MattP, Dwlee99
Mathilda (1): Albert B. Rampage
Albert B. Rampage (1): Frozen Angel
Frozen Angel (0):
Lowell (0):
Radja (0):
Dwlee99 (0):
Dierfire (0):
Garmr (0):
Taly (0):
iraonavp (0):
AlwaysInnocent (0):

Not voting: Lowell, Mathilda, Dierfire, Taly, AlwaysInnocent

With 13 alive it's 7 to lynch.

Night falls in (expired on 2016-01-08 21:00:00).

Song:

Europe: The Final Countdown

Notes:

Comment on the music if you like it

[MattP]

Like, the worst-case scenario is that it doesn't get an appreciable rise out of the person you ask the question to and RVS continues

Or this happens (':

[Frozen Angel]

You changed your avatar.

whats scummy about it ?

[Garmr]

mattp has a slight scummy response going to serious vote him.

What was that?

The fact he asked why over something rvs that didn't need much explaining. I don't know how to put this into words but was there any reason to ask why for something rvs like. Just seems a bit you know.

It's pretty innocuous to try to move RVS along by prodding RVS votes?

What's the point of it when it's obviously a rvs. It like saying I like red that's why i will vote this person who likes gold then someone ask why would you do that.
What response were you expecting from the rvs?

Also why trying to push that it isn't bad to do instead of it isn't scummy that's a strange angle to come from?

[Frozen Angel]

It's pretty innocuous to try to move RVS along by prodding RVS votes?

isn't it?

[MattP]

What's the point of it when it's obviously a rvs. It like saying I like red that's why i will vote this person who likes gold then someone ask why would you do that.
What response were you expecting from the rvs?

Also why trying to push that it isn't bad to do instead of it isn't scummy that's a strange angle to come from?

I don't think it's common sense that it's RVS for a player to quote a player's rxn to a vote and then wagon that player? People rationalize things as small as an emoticon reaction for a vote. Even if it's a low-stakes beginning-of-day-1 vote with weak reasoning people still justify reads with weak reasoning early on to move RVS along and it's not foul play to engage that sort of vote to continue a dialogue

[MattP]

It's pretty innocuous to try to move RVS along by prodding RVS votes?

isn't it?

This is what you have to add to the conversation?

[iraonavp]

You changed your avatar.

whats scummy about it ?

I am fairly sure that Dwlee99's comment about Garmr's avatar was not implying that it was indicative of a scum-aligned player, it was an RVS vote no different from several others.

And really, what answers would you honestly expect from this question? An avatar is very clearly not indicative of alignment.

[MattP]

Also why trying to push that it isn't bad to do instead of it isn't scummy that's a strange angle to come from?

Uh what? Because if there's an inherent worth to an action that you are calling pointless then I'm refuting the point you're making, and considering you feeling it's pointless is the crux of your reasoning for why it's scummy then why wouldn't I argue from that angle anyway?

[Frozen Angel]

It's pretty innocuous to try to move RVS along by prodding RVS votes?

isn't it?

This is what you have to add to the conversation?

The conversation went forward pretty well. and gammr sniped me sooo, yeah. what do you want me to add to conversation?

this ?

VOTE: Mattp L2

soooo Is is bad to get out of RVS with a flash wagon?

[Frozen Angel]

You changed your avatar.

whats scummy about it ?

I am fairly sure that Dwlee99's comment about Garmr's avatar was not implying that it was indicative of a scum-aligned player, it was an RVS vote no different from several others.

And really, what answers would you honestly expect from this question? An avatar is very clearly not indicative of alignment.

That was a joke. I just changed my avatar myself ... :/

[MattP]

Lel

[Frozen Angel]

Lel

This is what you have to add to the conversation?

[MattP]

Like what did Gramr even snipe you with?

[Frozen Angel]

with commenting on that post I was about to post something similar and I saw he did.

[Frozen Angel]

post 28 and 29

[iraonavp]

soooo Is is bad to get out of RVS with a flash wagon?

I do not know! But I am liking the current trajectory.

[iraonavp]

You changed your avatar.

whats scummy about it ?

I am fairly sure that Dwlee99's comment about Garmr's avatar was not implying that it was indicative of a scum-aligned player, it was an RVS vote no different from several others.

And really, what answers would you honestly expect from this question? An avatar is very clearly not indicative of alignment.

That was a joke. I just changed my avatar myself ... :/

Oh, I missed that. Well, this explains your comment far better.

[Garmr]

What's the point of it when it's obviously a rvs. It like saying I like red that's why i will vote this person who likes gold then someone ask why would you do that.
What response were you expecting from the rvs?

Also why trying to push that it isn't bad to do instead of it isn't scummy that's a strange angle to come from?

I don't think it's common sense that it's RVS for a player to quote a player's rxn to a vote and then wagon that player? People rationalize things as small as an emoticon reaction for a vote. Even if it's a low-stakes beginning-of-day-1 vote with weak reasoning people still justify reads with weak reasoning early on to move RVS along and it's not foul play to engage that sort of vote to continue a dialogue

Well it's first page, I said lets wagon him and there was no case on aero thus it's obvious to see it's a rvs wagon. Also I think Dwlee would of said something if his vote was serious. It's more the fact you were trying to push yourself as harmless instead of trying to dismiss my position as weak.

[iraonavp]

mattp has a slight scummy response going to serious vote him.

What was that?

The fact he asked why over something rvs that didn't need much explaining. I don't know how to put this into words but was there any reason to ask why for something rvs like. Just seems a bit you know.

It's pretty innocuous to try to move RVS along by prodding RVS votes?

What's the point of it when it's obviously a rvs. It like saying I like red that's why i will vote this person who likes gold then someone ask why would you do that.
What response were you expecting from the rvs?

To be fair, your description on his response as "slight scummy" makes it appear like you are no longer participating in RVS.

Also why trying to push that it isn't bad to do instead of it isn't scummy that's a strange angle to come from?

Very much this. It's as if MattP feels like he is playing his scum-aligned role adequately, yet is attacked on an inadequate basis.

[Frozen Angel]

Comment on the music if you like it

also I forgot!

your musics are awesome!

[MattP]

Well it's first page, I said lets wagon him and there was no case on aero thus it's obvious to see it's a rvs wagon. Also I think Dwlee would of said something if his vote was serious. It's more the fact you were trying to push yourself as harmless instead of trying to dismiss my position as weak.

I think your push is town-oriented even if I disagree with it, which affects my tone in how I talk to you.

I think if I were questioning someone for the analogy you used about red/gold then it would be a clearly pointless push. However, there's merit on page 1 of a game to question a vote with possible reasoning

I'm not pushing my point as being harmless, I meant helpful. "Innocuous" was not the correct word.

[Aeronaut]

Matt's whole reaction to this is stiff and awkward.

[Garmr]

mattp has a slight scummy response going to serious vote him.

What was that?

The fact he asked why over something rvs that didn't need much explaining. I don't know how to put this into words but was there any reason to ask why for something rvs like. Just seems a bit you know.

It's pretty innocuous to try to move RVS along by prodding RVS votes?

What's the point of it when it's obviously a rvs. It like saying I like red that's why i will vote this person who likes gold then someone ask why would you do that.
What response were you expecting from the rvs?

To be fair, your description on his response as "slight scummy" makes it appear like you are no longer participating in RVS.

Also why trying to push that it isn't bad to do instead of it isn't scummy that's a strange angle to come from?

Very much this. It's as if MattP feels like he is playing his scum-aligned role adequately, yet is attacked on an inadequate basis.

I was talking about the wagon aero being rvs and my responce to matt p is not rvs. I think your confused with some aspects.

[MattP]

Forgive me, I'm on ambien that I swallowed a few minutes before this wagon started