Mini 1749: Classic Rock Mafia: Game Over!

MattP · Post Post #50 (ISO) » Fri Dec 25, 2015 9:34 pm

Who know this would have started at that ripe moment

Frozen Angel · Post Post #51 (ISO) » Fri Dec 25, 2015 9:36 pm

In post 46, MattP wrote:
In post 43, Garmr wrote:Well it's first page, I said lets wagon him and there was no case on aero thus it's obvious to see it's a rvs wagon. Also I think Dwlee would of said something if his vote was serious. It's more the fact you were trying to push yourself as harmless instead of trying to dismiss my position as weak.

I think your push is town-oriented even if I disagree with it, which affects my tone in how I talk to you.

I think if I were questioning someone for the analogy you used about red/gold then it would be a clearly pointless push. However, there's merit on page 1 of a game to question a vote with possible reasoning

I'm not pushing my point as being harmless, I meant helpful. "Innocuous" was not the correct word.

so whats your read on the people who are following the wagon?

whats your feeling about the wagon itself?

and what your gonna do to prove to your town read that your town and his tunneling on you is wrong?

I mean town!you would try to do that. wouldn't he?

your reaction to wagon was "calm" (can't find a better world for it)

Frozen Angel · Post Post #52 (ISO) » Fri Dec 25, 2015 9:37 pm

word*

Aeronaut · Post Post #53 (ISO) » Fri Dec 25, 2015 9:43 pm

I think frozen is town. Reasoning can't be said yet though, because rules and shit.

Aeronaut · Post Post #54 (ISO) » Fri Dec 25, 2015 9:43 pm

So, I mean, feel free to take that with a grain of salt I guess.

iraonavp · Post Post #55 (ISO) » Fri Dec 25, 2015 9:44 pm

In post 48, Garmr wrote:
In post 44, iraonavp wrote:
In post 28, Garmr wrote:
In post 24, MattP wrote:
In post 21, Garmr wrote:
In post 17, MattP wrote:
In post 15, Garmr wrote:mattp has a slight scummy response going to serious vote him.

What was that?

The fact he asked why over something rvs that didn't need much explaining. I don't know how to put this into words but was there any reason to ask why for something rvs like. Just seems a bit you know.

It's pretty innocuous to try to move RVS along by prodding RVS votes?

What's the point of it when it's obviously a rvs. It like saying I like red that's why i will vote this person who likes gold then someone ask why would you do that.
What response were you expecting from the rvs?

To be fair, your description on his response as "slight scummy" makes it appear like you are no longer participating in RVS.

Also why trying to push that it isn't bad to do instead of it isn't scummy that's a strange angle to come from?

Very much this. It's as if MattP feels like he is playing his scum-aligned role adequately, yet is attacked on an inadequate basis.

I was talking about the wagon aero being rvs and my responce to matt p is not rvs. I think your confused with some aspects.

You're right, I was confused! I missed 11 somehow, and thought you were referring to 17 instead.

MattP · Post Post #56 (ISO) » Fri Dec 25, 2015 9:46 pm

I'll respond tomorrow afternoon when the ambien is over.

Otherwise, I am engaging garmr and I've said how I feel about the logic behind my wagon.

iraonavp · Post Post #57 (ISO) » Fri Dec 25, 2015 9:52 pm

In post 49, MattP wrote:Forgive me, I'm on ambien that I swallowed a few minutes before this wagon started

I don't know how I should feel about this, considering that he has mentioned his usage of Ambien in previous games and it probably affects his judgement and behavior. It may not necessarily account for what he has posted here, though. I would definitely like to retain the pressure on his wagon and hear more from MattP once he becomes unaffected by his medication.

Garmr · Post Post #58 (ISO) » Fri Dec 25, 2015 10:26 pm

In post 57, iraonavp wrote:
In post 49, MattP wrote:Forgive me, I'm on ambien that I swallowed a few minutes before this wagon started

I don't know how I should feel about this, considering that he has mentioned his usage of Ambien in previous games and it probably affects his judgement and behavior. It may not necessarily account for what he has posted here, though. I would definitely like to retain the pressure on his wagon and hear more from MattP once he becomes unaffected by his medication.

It may be because of his medication he didn't think it through and responded what was on top of is mind. I am starting to think he could show his scum game more when his drugged up.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #59 (ISO) » Sat Dec 26, 2015 12:41 am

Oh, wow. 3 pages already while I was sleeping. Let me catch up.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #60 (ISO) » Sat Dec 26, 2015 2:55 am

VOTE: Radja

Taly · Post Post #61 (ISO) » Sat Dec 26, 2015 3:07 am

Claim: Miller

Not letting town fuck themselves this time.

In post 59, AlwaysInnocent wrote:Oh, wow. 3 pages already while I was sleeping. Let me catch up.

I know right?

The game started an hour after I went to bed too.

Gut read on FA is town like in our previous game, but not solid.

I want to say Matt is town for being so quickly pushed L-2 by the 2nd page, just for saying "Why" to a wagon.... His reasoning doesn't mark me as scummy, unless I'm missing something?

Aero fills weird, tbh atm. 47 and 53 and 54 appear quite vague.

Need to look at Garmr and ira more closely.

In terms of my own vote?

VOTE: Albert B. Rampage

Not salty, but you know why.

*Mini 1742 Reference*

And also, I want to get reading you out of the way early, at least for a bit.

P-Edit

Explain this Radja vote AI.

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Also everyone, I have errands an Christmas money to spend with family and etc. Won't be very active today but I will get to anyone who engages.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #62 (ISO) » Sat Dec 26, 2015 3:08 am

Explain this Radja vote AI.

Ironically for being one of the less active players. Just see it as a random vote.

Frozen Angel · Post Post #63 (ISO) » Sat Dec 26, 2015 3:20 am

In post 61, Taly wrote:I want to say Matt is town for being so quickly pushed L-2 by the 2nd page, just for saying "Why" to a wagon.... His reasoning doesn't mark me as scummy, unless I'm missing something?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=64070

Blocky was town who got lol-hammered day 1?

Frozen Angel · Post Post #64 (ISO) » Sat Dec 26, 2015 3:20 am

In post 61, Taly wrote:quickly pushed L-2

whats makes him town base on this?

Taly · Post Post #65 (ISO) » Sat Dec 26, 2015 3:26 am

In post 58, Garmr wrote:
In post 57, iraonavp wrote:
In post 49, MattP wrote:Forgive me, I'm on ambien that I swallowed a few minutes before this wagon started

I don't know how I should feel about this, considering that he has mentioned his usage of Ambien in previous games and it probably affects his judgement and behavior. It may not necessarily account for what he has posted here, though. I would definitely like to retain the pressure on his wagon and hear more from MattP once he becomes unaffected by his medication.

It may be because of his medication he didn't think it through and responded what was on top of is mind. I am starting to think he could show his scum game more when his drugged up.

Are you using meta to decipher Matt's play? Could you direct to the post to where he's likely scum in your eyes - as previously stated, I'm not seeing it.

The "scum-like meta when drugged up" thing doesn't seem to hold a lot of weight.

In post 62, AlwaysInnocent wrote:
Explain this Radja vote AI.
Ironically for being one of the less active players. Just see it as a random vote.

Alright, I'll take that at face value.

No reaction to my claim?

Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 61, Taly wrote:I want to say Matt is town for being so quickly pushed L-2 by the 2nd page, just for saying "Why" to a wagon.... His reasoning doesn't mark me as scummy, unless I'm missing something?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=64070

Blocky was town who got lol-hammered day 1?

And that's relevant, how? Is that an alt?

Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 61, Taly wrote:quickly pushed L-2

whats makes him town base on this?

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I've yet to see RVS wagons hit scum, despite how uncredible this reason is.

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How can scum be so quickly pushed to L-2? You'd think someone would have a stance opposing it but I don't see much of any resistance here.

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"Why?" Isn't a good basis for a scumread. I can see if they had meta congruent to this and someone would like to keep someone at L-2 there... But it doesn't really make sense. Questions in RVS

should

be asked, and that's how I'm seeing this wagon formed over.

Frozen Angel · Post Post #66 (ISO) » Sat Dec 26, 2015 3:27 am

No just saying the fact day 1 fast wagons can be on scums as well. why your saying he is town for that?

Frozen Angel · Post Post #67 (ISO) » Sat Dec 26, 2015 3:30 am

In post 65, Taly wrote:> I've yet to see RVS wagons hit scum, despite how uncredible this reason is.
> How can scum be so quickly pushed to L-2? You'd think someone would have a stance opposing it but I don't see much of any resistance here.
> "Why?" Isn't a good basis for a scumread. I can see if they had meta congruent to this and someone would like to keep someone at L-2 there... But it doesn't really make sense. Questions in RVS should be asked, and that's how I'm seeing this wagon formed over.

> so your saying as well it might be on scum
> because people joined/bussed the wagon to testify him?
> Look my vote as a reaction test. can you see other votes as pure scum read or just try to pressure ?

Frozen Angel · Post Post #68 (ISO) » Sat Dec 26, 2015 3:33 am

In post 65, Taly wrote:You'd think someone would have a stance opposing it but I don't see much of any resistance here.

Imagine someone resisted against the wagon. was it a scum buddy who just freaked out about the fast wagon? or was it a town who tries to solve the game?

Which one are you?

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #69 (ISO) » Sat Dec 26, 2015 3:36 am

No reaction to my claim?

Not sure. It is a claim in a closed setup. But on the other hand, if you are not a miller, then there could be a real miller to counterclaim you, so it is quite a risk to take.

So I am gonna say town-leaning for now.

Taly · Post Post #70 (ISO) » Sat Dec 26, 2015 3:43 am

In post 67, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 65, Taly wrote:> I've yet to see RVS wagons hit scum, despite how uncredible this reason is.
> How can scum be so quickly pushed to L-2? You'd think someone would have a stance opposing it but I don't see much of any resistance here.
> "Why?" Isn't a good basis for a scumread. I can see if they had meta congruent to this and someone would like to keep someone at L-2 there... But it doesn't really make sense. Questions in RVS should be asked, and that's how I'm seeing this wagon formed over.

> so your saying as well it might be on scum
> because people joined/bussed the wagon to testify him?
> Look my vote as a reaction test. can you see other votes as pure scum read or just try to pressure ?

>Not exactly thinking it's scum but sees the possibility.
>In part. But if you want to say he may be bussed, mind telling me who you think would? I'm townleaning on him btw.
>43 and 44 do not look like reaction test reasons for votes.

In post 68, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 65, Taly wrote:You'd think someone would have a stance opposing it but I don't see much of any resistance here.

Imagine someone resisted against the wagon. was it a scum buddy who just freaked out about the fast wagon? or was it a town who tries to solve the game?

Which one are you?

Cheekier than the previous game?

Rhetoric in questions aren't very trustworthy.

But to answer your thought - I just asked Garmr on a more in depth reasoning for his push. I also stated I'd look at Ira more closely, and gave - generally gut town thinking on the people of the wagon.

So I'd think that's leaning of game-solve town.

AlwaysInnocent wrote:
No reaction to my claim?
Not sure. It is a claim in a closed setup. But on the other hand, if you are not a miller, then there could be a real miller to counterclaim you, so it is quite a risk to take.

So I am gonna say town-leaning for now.

I see. This thinking makes sense coming from town but I'm not sure of that.

Thoughts on Matt + wagon?

Frozen Angel · Post Post #71 (ISO) » Sat Dec 26, 2015 3:52 am

In post 70, Taly wrote:Cheekier than the previous game?

Just trying to be a cute little frozen angel

Dwlee99 · Post Post #72 (ISO) » Sat Dec 26, 2015 3:55 am

I don't feel comfortable when people claim to be on medication. :/

Frozen Angel · Post Post #73 (ISO) » Sat Dec 26, 2015 3:57 am

In post 72, Dwlee99 wrote:I don't feel comfortable when people claim to be on medication. :/

So are you comfortable with the L2 wagon on him?

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #74 (ISO) » Sat Dec 26, 2015 3:59 am

In post 72, Dwlee99 wrote:I don't feel comfortable when people claim to be on medication. :/

The fact that they are on medication or that they involve it in the game?