Open 621 (C9++): The ZAR SHOW S1 Holiday Special - OVER!

[Yosarian2]

I mean, even when you were responding to me, you were constantly evasive, avoiding discussing the actual subjects you supposedly cared about, and you kept avoidning talking about the actual game and falling back on vague generalizations and empty rhetoric. If you honestly thought I was scum, then fine, but it's becoming more and more clear that you don't actually believe anything you're saying.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Sure thing boss.

[Yosarian2]

Shadow you should join the Yos wagon.

Kop, you should bus your buddy.

And here we go again. BBT is just trying to bully people into joining a mislynch, he's not even pretending to scumhunt anymore.

It's frustating people keep calling him town just because he's posting a lot. Nothing BBT is doing seems to have a town motive at all.

[Yosarian2]

BBT's entire argument against me was that I posted a list on page 4. He claims he doesn't think lists are scummy, but claims that somehow my list was me "pretending to provide content" or something, as if I haven't been giving more content and reads then anyone else in the game.

And that's it. He's got nothing else. He just keeps repeating that, while refuisng to explain it, and is now trying to get me lynched by just spamming the hell out of the thread with no content poists.

He just needs to die. And then when he flips scum and his buddies nightkill me tonight, just remember that at least one of his scum buddies is on my page 4 list, probably both of them.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Your response to my case has been awful and you should feel bad for it.

TO THE CHOPPING BLOCK!

[Yosarian2]

Lol.

Like I said, he's got nothing.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Is it hard to leave the thread when you're scum and under pressure?

Always have that feeling that you need to defend yourself in case you get lynched while you're away?

Fortunately, I can help you. Let me relieve that pressure by tying this rope gently around your neck...

[Yosarian2]

Is it hard to leave the thread when you're scum and under pressure?

Always have that feeling that you need to defend yourself in case you get lynched while you're away?

Fortunately, I can help you. Let me relieve that pressure by tying this rope gently around your neck...

I don't care that I have 5 votes on me and you only have 1. You are going to die today. Because logic always triumphs over bullshit.

[Aneninen]

The more I read you two, the surer I am that you're town-vs-towning right now.

[Lucky2u]

BBT vs Yos is starting to sound like an old married couple...

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Thoughts on Yos Lucky?

[Zar]

Day 1, Votecount 6, Ammended

Yosarian2 (5): BlueBloodedToffee, acryon, Lowell, roflcopter, AlwaysInnocent

AlwaysInnocent (3): Kmd4390, Lucky2u, Aneninen
BlueBloodedToffee (1): Yosarian2
Lucky2u (1): Albert B. Rampage
texcat (1): Kop

Not Voting (2):

texcat, shaddowez

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch or to no lynch.

Deadline

: Saturday January 9, 2016 11:30 AM  New York Time. (GMT-5)

Countdown to deadline

: (expired on 2016-01-09 11:30:00)

Spoiler: Incorrect VC

Day 1, Votecount 6

Yosarian2 (5): BlueBloodedToffee, acryon, Lowell, roflcopter, AlwaysInnocent

AlwaysInnocent (2): Lucky2u, Aneninen
acryon (1): Kmd4390
BlueBloodedToffee (1): Yosarian2
Lucky2u (1): Albert B. Rampage
texcat (1): Kop

Not Voting (2):

texcat, shaddowez

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch or to no lynch.

Deadline

: Saturday January 9, 2016 11:30 AM  New York Time. (GMT-5)

Countdown to deadline

: (expired on 2016-01-09 11:30:00)

Lowell is V/LA until Monday

shaddowez is V/LA until Monday

~~~. Vote count Fixed ~.Zar

[Kmd4390]

Anen, I think you're town and I think Always is scum so seeing you on the wagon is cool and all, but there's no way the "bus" thing was a slip. It was clearly a joke. Could he still be scum with Yos? Sure. But not for that reason.

BBT, in hindsight I actually guess you're right. I went back and read it as if ABR had followed with "I'm being serious" and I still don't see aggression. If anything, it would be defensive. Did I miss where Yos explained this or has he not done so yet?

No, I'm bored of going around in circles with you and having to deal with your flat out false statements/accusations.

I'll just wait for you to eat rope and then gloat.

I actually don't care for this. I was interested in the response.

Yos, do you really think that BBT would be so concerned that you listed his whole team as scum on Page 4 that he'd push your lynch over it? You said yourself that town's reads change all the time. Why wouldn't he just ride it out until you change your mind on some things?

Is it hard to leave the thread when you're scum and under pressure?

Always have that feeling that you need to defend yourself in case you get lynched while you're away?

I don't think that's unique to scum. Getting lynched as town sucks too.

 Because logic always triumphs over bullshit.

If only that were true.

For those wondering who I side with on Yos vs BBT, I'm honestly not sure. I usually decide these things quickly, but both are good players so it's hard. Yes, Yos

sounds

more logical but his logic feels like it has holes and might be insincere. BBT is also playing to his scum meta, but his scum meta is to look town as fuck so that's pretty shitty to base a case on. I don't like BBT not replying to Yos' case but the case wasn't that great to begin with. I know this sucks, but I could go either way on both players.

Yos, can you point me to why you thought ABR was being aggressive towards BBT?

[Yosarian2]

Yos, do you really think that BBT would be so concerned that you listed his whole team as scum on Page 4 that he'd push your lynch over it? You said yourself that town's reads change all the time. Why wouldn't he just ride it out until you change your mind on some things?

Logically that might be better, but I've seen scum flip out over that kind of thing before. Some scum do not react well to that kind of thing. It especally pisses then off if they get called out for what they think is a bad reason.


Look at his word choices. He keeps saying stuff like "page 4 reads are shit" and going way out of his way to try to discredit that list. He's not just trying to lynch me, he's trying to lynch me and to discredit that list.

He probably really believes hes going to get me lynched today. He's wrong, I'm not that easy to mislynch, but he doesn't know me that well. So if he really thought i was going to flip scum, then he wouldn't need to discredit my reads like that. But I think he knows I'm going to flip town, so he wants to discredit my reads as well.

In any case, he just does not seem to be someone who's honestly trying to find scum. He doesn't seen to care what I say or what I do and he doesn't care if the things he says are correct or not. He's not looking for scum, he's just pushing a wagon.

Yos, can you point me to why you thought ABR was being aggressive towards BBT?

If you're talking about my page 4 read, on ABR obviously it wasn't based on much, but i can explain it again if you want. Out of time right now though so I'll come back and do that in a seperate post later.

[Kmd4390]

I don't think you're giving BBT enough credit. I can't see him freaking out over something so small. He's either town who believes you are scum or he's scum and thinks he can get you lynched today. If he's scum, he's not scared of you.

it wasn't based on much, but i can explain it again if you want

No rush. I'm busy too so I understand

[roflcopter]

unvote, vote: always innocent

approximately one bajillion things are going on, and there's a pile of people scumreading him for all sorts of reasons at this point, and ai is arguing about whether he's making jokes instead of engaging with any of it.

ftr kmd is still a scumread and he is still looking very scumbuddytastic with always innocent. i also hate the whole paragraph above that starts with "for those wondering..." about yos and bbt, it's so scummy i want to barf. yos and bbt both town? i am actually coming on board with that conclusion a bit right now. yos really needs to ignore bbt and do something else with his time right now though i'm not reading any more of that back and forth.

[AlwaysInnocent]

unvote, vote: always innocent

approximately one bajillion things are going on, and there's a pile of people scumreading him for all sorts of reasons at this point, and ai is arguing about whether he's making jokes instead of engaging with any of it.

It's mostly crap.

[Yosarian2]

bus?
BUS?

This is the second joke that you missed. Please don't insult my intelligence.

The problem is, I don't know if you would make that joke if you actually thought i was scum. You clearly care a lot about how you look, so if you actually thought I was going to flip scum, you would be worried that people think you and I are connected.

Insead, you're joking about it, which really only makes sense if you already know I'm going to flip town. Even when you're trying to lynch me. Putting the 5th vote on a bad wagon on me for no reason in fact.


Yeah. Between this and the KMD post, town read on AI is officially dead.

[Yosarian2]

KMD: looking back, i think this was the post that gave me a good vibe on ABR in the first few pages.

So you want me to town it up for yall or am I playing my normal scummy game?

Maybe agressive wasn't quite the right word. Provocative? Deliberately challanging? Whatever. Just the kind of post I'd expect town ABR to make to try to get a reaction. Not the kind of joke you'd expect scum to make.

Obv this wasn't a hard read yet. That came later.

[AlwaysInnocent]

bus?
BUS?

This is the second joke that you missed. Please don't insult my intelligence.

The problem is, I don't know if you would make that joke if you actually thought i was scum. You clearly care a lot about how you look, so if you actually thought I was going to flip scum, you would be worried that people think you and I are connected.

Insead, you're joking about it, which really only makes sense if you already know I'm going to flip town. Even when you're trying to lynch me. Putting the 5th vote on a bad wagon on me for no reason in fact.


Yeah. Between this and the KMD post, town read on AI is officially dead.

Actually, I thought you were pretty scummy. I wasn't townreading you. I was reading you as possible scum.

My joke was actually directed at roflcopter's ridiculous claim that we are scum buddies and that I must be bussing you if I am voting for you.

[Yosarian2]

My joke was actually directed at roflcopter's ridiculous claim that we are scum buddies and that I must be bussing you if I am voting for you.

I just don't know if you would really be that blase about that if you really believed i was going to flip scum. Makes me wonder if you are scum.


If you are scum, then your play makes more sense. In that case, you would want to play up the idea that we are linked, and you would want to lynch me. That way when I flip town the case against you kind of collapses.

[Aneninen]

I haven't read anything new, but here's a Star Wars spoiler...

Spoiler:

IT FUCKING RULEZ!!!!!!!!

[Kmd4390]

ROFL, for the record I'm not town reading yos and bbt. I'm trying to sort them. Can you tell me why you think I'm bussing always innocent? I'm wondering if you honestly believe that.

Yos that answer doesn't satisfy me because I don't understand why you used the word aggressive initially if its not what you meant.

Mod, I'm gonna have to go vla until at least Wednesday. My phone broke and this tablet thing is weird and hard to use but I'm working the next two days for 16 hours each day so I'm not sure when or how to get a new phone or if it will even be any good for internet. Sorry I didn't bold. Not sure where those bracket things for bbcode are with this damn thing. Honestly I may be phoneless until March.

[Yosarian2]

KMD: This was what I said.

ABR is basically playing in his normal meta. Loud, obnoxious, picking fights. It's basically how I expect town-ABR to act. It's not really an alignment tell, he could do that as either alignment, but I haven't seen any red flags from him yet.

I don't think I ever actually called ABR "aggressive".

[Kmd4390]

Ehhhhh OK I guess. Picking fights sounds like aggressive but I guess it's not a huge deal