Mini 1749: Classic Rock Mafia: Game Over!

[RadiantCowbells]

Classic Rock Mafia:

Votecount #1.14:

Dierfire (4): iraonavp, Aeronaut, MattP, AlwaysInnocent
Radja (3): Albert B. Rampage, Frozen Angel, Taly
Albert B. Rampage (2): Radja, Dierfire
MattP (1): Garmr
iraonavp (1): Lowell
AlwaysInnocent (1): Dwlee99
Aeronaut (0):
Mathilda (0):
Frozen Angel (0):
Lowell (0):
Dwlee99 (0):
Garmr (0):
Taly (0):



Not voting: Mathilda

With 13 alive it's 7 to lynch.

Night falls in (expired on 2016-01-08 21:00:00).

Song:

Billy Joel: Piano Man

Notes:

It's 9:00 on a saturday, the regular crowd shuffles in.

[AlwaysInnocent]

Then you would see why I am townreading dier.

I don't.

[Dwlee99]

@FA I think that dier is actively trying to solve the game

Their questions, fa.

Their questions help them figure out what is going on. Like in 234 they are trying to understand my read on radja and I like the pressure on ABR in 235.

[Radja]

@Radja

About the miller claim, what I mean is that it's not unlikely it will sort itself out. Whether you are lying or not, there are PR's in this game, and it is possible for one of them to out you if you are lying. So you get to live through day 1, at least. I'll deal with your claim if it becomes a problem(which would be right before LYLO, most likely)

your not serious are you?! If his miller claim is true then our investigator rule must be a cop or the miller thing is meaningless. This setup speculation is SO DAMN WRONG.

But as I said before I'm agreed with your second part about claimed Miller need to be lynched before Lylo. there is no way I'm going to accept the gambit of having a cop guilty result in lylo just because he claimed Miller.

and have you anything regarding to answer my 177 ? or you just wanna keep ignoring it?

You're the one getting into setup speculation. It just depends on whether the miller claim is true or not. If there's no miller, maybe there is no cop. Like I said before, it will sort itself out.

I have already said that I gave my thoughts on the people I had thoughts on. If I haven't mentioned someone, it's because I don't have a read on them.

[Frozen Angel]

ok I'm happy with my vote atm.

first : It won't. and I think It shouldn't. why are you so sure about that? I won't let the miller to reach Lylo because we hadn't something who could sort her out.

second : really?!... continue saying this and you will just grantee your lynch.

[Radja]

I suggest that you change your vote onto someone you consider likely to be scum-aligned, to preserve the remaining tatters of your credibility.

This last sentence looks like strong-arming, and I'm not a fan.

I guess you're right, it does look like that. But really, is strong-arming someone into not doing something anti-town at all bad?

He's not doing something anti-town, he's using his vote to pressure people. That's what ya do. The thing about you saying "You better move your vote right now, or else" sounds weird and threatening, and it also sounds like you're discrediting him. (Which is really what you're doing).

That's the way I saw it, at least. Radja's vote seemed like a policy vote from posts like 170. I think it was a petty, anti-town argument which created unnecessary tension. I tend to discredit those who do things I consider bad!

I don't like this post, especially because you're ignoring 218

[AlwaysInnocent]

@FA I think that dier is actively trying to solve the game

Their questions, fa.

Their questions help them figure out what is going on. Like in 234 they are trying to understand my read on radja and I like the pressure on ABR in 235.

What is your read on Mathilda?

[iraonavp]

I suggest that you change your vote onto someone you consider likely to be scum-aligned, to preserve the remaining tatters of your credibility.

This last sentence looks like strong-arming, and I'm not a fan.

I guess you're right, it does look like that. But really, is strong-arming someone into not doing something anti-town at all bad?

He's not doing something anti-town, he's using his vote to pressure people. That's what ya do. The thing about you saying "You better move your vote right now, or else" sounds weird and threatening, and it also sounds like you're discrediting him. (Which is really what you're doing).

That's the way I saw it, at least. Radja's vote seemed like a policy vote from posts like 170. I think it was a petty, anti-town argument which created unnecessary tension. I tend to discredit those who do things I consider bad!

I don't like this post, especially because you're ignoring 218

I ignored your post because I didn't see that line of conversation going in a constructive direction. I don't want to argue with players about their playstyles and opinion on theory more than necessary.

[AlwaysInnocent]

I think Frozen Angel is town, too. Fence-town. I sort of understand her focus on Radja, but I think she is wrong in scumreading him for saying "it will sort itself out" (not exactly true, but OK).

[Radja]

ok I'm happy with my vote atm.

first : It won't. and I think It shouldn't. why are you so sure about that? I won't let the miller to reach Lylo because we hadn't something who could sort her out.

second : really?!... continue saying this and you will just grantee your lynch.

First: I thought you didn't want to get into setup speculation? So drop this already.

Second: We'll see.

[Radja]

I suggest that you change your vote onto someone you consider likely to be scum-aligned, to preserve the remaining tatters of your credibility.

This last sentence looks like strong-arming, and I'm not a fan.

I guess you're right, it does look like that. But really, is strong-arming someone into not doing something anti-town at all bad?

He's not doing something anti-town, he's using his vote to pressure people. That's what ya do. The thing about you saying "You better move your vote right now, or else" sounds weird and threatening, and it also sounds like you're discrediting him. (Which is really what you're doing).

That's the way I saw it, at least. Radja's vote seemed like a policy vote from posts like 170. I think it was a petty, anti-town argument which created unnecessary tension. I tend to discredit those who do things I consider bad!

I don't like this post, especially because you're ignoring 218

I ignored your post because I didn't see that line of conversation going in a constructive direction. I don't want to argue with players about their playstyles and opinion on theory more than necessary.

Do you still think I got nothing out of my Albert vote or not?

[Dwlee99]

Mathilda is null, not enough posts.

[AlwaysInnocent]

Radja, are you willing to join the Dierfire wagon? Or do you have any other suggestions?

I don't think an Albert B. wagon is any good, so...

[iraonavp]

I think your vote achieved very little of what you intended it to achieve.

The side-effect of forming a wagon on yourself was useful, however!

[AlwaysInnocent]

Mathilda is fine, too.

[AlwaysInnocent]

My estimate is that there are around 3 scum. I rarely come up with a read list so early, but I am feeling more confident than usual:

Read List D1 V1

Frozen Angel

Lowell

Radja

Mathilda

Dwlee99

Dierfire

Albert B. Rampage

Garmr

Aeronaut

MattP

Taly

iraonavp

AlwaysInnocent

As usual, revision is inevitable. But I think I am on the right track.

[AlwaysInnocent]

Description of the colors:

Likely scum

Scum-leaning

Fence-scum

Null

Fence-town

Town-leaning or just town

[Frozen Angel]

lol calling the miller claim "just town" is not beautiful man

[AlwaysInnocent]

Alright, Frozen Angel. You are not entirely unreasonable. Let's say fence-town then. For now. OK? We will deal with him on D2, agreed? Or do you want to deal with him now?

[AlwaysInnocent]

What do you think of my other reads?

[Frozen Angel]

Alright, Frozen Angel. You are not entirely unreasonable. Let's say fence-town then. For now. OK? We will deal with him on D2, agreed? Or do you want to deal with him now?

as I said LYLO is danger point . I can't accept to carry her with town till then. I can ignore the claim for now.

[AlwaysInnocent]

Alright, Frozen Angel. You are not entirely unreasonable. Let's say fence-town then. For now. OK? We will deal with him on D2, agreed? Or do you want to deal with him now?

as I said LYLO is danger point . I can't accept to carry her with town till then. I can ignore the claim for now.

So, let's commit ourselves to sorting this out from D2? For now it is easier to just assume that the claim is truthful.

[Frozen Angel]

What do you think of my other reads?

I'm not following Radja townread.Like at all

I'm considering Mattp in null category.

In rest I can't argue.

[AlwaysInnocent]

What do you think of my other reads?

I'm not following Radja townread.Like at all

I'm considering Mattp in null category.

In rest I can't argue.

Radja is way too reckless to be scum. At least for now. I sort of understand some of his views and his behavior from a town point of view. I cannot guarantee that he is town, but I think it is very likely.

[AlwaysInnocent]

For example...

Looks like I just became the center of attention. Interesting.

I stand by my comments. All of them.

^This uncompromising attitude is what gets him in a lot of trouble. It seems to fit more with the possible world where he is town and thinks that he can do everything he wants, and that people should just "back off" if they don't like that.