Blitz 18: Wedding Invitational Mafia - GAME OVER

[AngryPidgeon]

Hi notty!

Are you scumreading Nacho or is that more of an omgus vote?

[AngryPidgeon]

I'd expect him to try harder, yeah.
Not science feels pretty prelynched but he is also pretty confident in his ability to obvtown/people usually acknowledge that he's very town when he channels that so it wouldn't be too much effort for notsci to push a wagon off him. As scum, he doesn't really know where to start digging himself out of a hole and thus I expect more apathy in this situation from scum than town.

I actually sort of agree with this. I've seen notty be town before and when he is, its like screamingly town. This is like a loud whisper version of that.

[AngryPidgeon]

I wish I had strong opinions this game.

VOTE: Natirasha

[notscience]

Yes, I am scumreading him.

[Cephrir]

And im saying I think its nacho.

So is he fabricating a roleblocker?

Actually hold on

Suppose nacho is telling the truth

Thats two investigative

Two protective

Two ics

But we have one negative utility claim

Thats weird.

But then we think like, do two investigatives in a game with two confirmes town and two protectives make sense with only a rb to cpunter them and i dont believe that either

Sooo

What's the alternative? Four scum?

[Cephrir]

Four scum actually could explain the beginning of this game I guess.

[Cephrir]

Would that be too good? I'm terrible at balance.

Also when considering the setup, bro's role isn't actually negative utility without a cop? unless he's one of those BS supermillers

[AngryPidgeon]

Four scum is plausible and it makes me uncertain enough about setup spec to really try and dive into it. If it is 3 scum, then bodyguard/bodyguard/delayedkillcop/tracker seems excessive.

[fferyllt]

VC 5.1

notscience

(2): Nachomamma8, Cephrir

Natirasha

(1): AngryPidgeon

Nachomamma8

(1): notscience

Not Voting

(4): Ms Marangal, Empire, Natirasha, BROseidon

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.


Deadline January 2 Midnight US Eastern Time

(expired on 2016-01-01 21:00:00)

Mod Notes:

[AngryPidgeon]

Although BG is a relatively weak role and having two of them is sort of negative utility due to setup spec. And the delayed kill cop and tracker are average strength roles at best so meh.

[Cephrir]

four scum explains the universal suspicion on gm, a large team is more likely to bus. although, i think nacho would probably have to be town to compensate for that, which pretty much eliminates the whole reason i started thinking about this

i guess i'll just stop, premise invalid

[Cephrir]

i do think a four man scum team would be much more likely to feature natirasha than three.

[notscience]

Can anyone explain why nacho keeps discrediting the conftown whilst he spearheaded both town mls he should have known how to read

[AngryPidgeon]

Can anyone explain why Natirasha is town?

[Cephrir]

my only real issue with that is that it's not like nacho's reads have been stellar and he doesn't really deserve an ivory tower

@ap: the sole possible reason is because gm. i'm assuming that doesn't convince you?

[notscience]

Or why he aimed to ml pie before she could bite back and how similar it is to that game that I always he's kuribo talk about where they fakeclaimed a guilty on mastin while she was on Vla

P edit

She feels more present than she did when we drew scum together and she did literally nothing

[AngryPidgeon]

@ap: the sole possible reason is because gm. i'm assuming that doesn't convince you?

Was there some interaction they had that makes people think it unlikely? I do recall seeing Natirasha push for GM more than anyone else. Nacho far and away made the best case on GM though.

[Cephrir]

@ap: the sole possible reason is because gm. i'm assuming that doesn't convince you?

Was there some interaction they had that makes people think it unlikely? I do recall seeing Natirasha push for GM more than anyone else. Nacho far and away made the best case on GM though.

GM basically did nothing but complain about how no one would listen to her on nati

[AngryPidgeon]

Also, happy scumday ffery ^^

[Ms Marangal]

VOTE: nacho

[Nachomamma8]

not sure I expect 310 from scum ns

we'll see

I was thinking similarly to what pie said about tammy dying.

We also have nacho supposedly with no result when targeting me n1, and we have a kill prevented last night.

Lets be realistic here.

1) we have two flipped bps, a claimed tracker, two in no child lovers, and a miller claim.

2) Based purely off what nacho claimed, theres also a th

3) do you think theres another protective? I dont. That means purely based off what we've seen that were supposed to think a rb stopped the kill

4) which r oleblocker decides they are going to stop someone who claimed pr d1 and then magically shit to trying to stop scum later in the game

5) hint, its nacho, considering pie was screaming for his death yesterday, this can provide some validity to what nacho had said earlier whilst being suboptimal

6) I repeat, I have no reason to keep killing people townreading me. Nacho is saying I won't survive three lynches. Thats because, if I was scum, I made the choice to kill only people with professed townreads on me. If I had the team that had flipped so far that was getting kinda lazered in on, why the fuck would I do that, it makes it so I have no shot in hell of an endgame

7) baaaaaaaaaa

Notty, I love you. I love you, you are a friend, you are a fine lad.

But I have no idea what you're saying here. At all.
And I don't know if it makes you scum or town but here is my best attempt to parse your post!

[BROseidon]

Also when considering the setup, bro's role isn't actually negative utility without a cop? unless he's one of those BS supermillers

My pm doesn't make it seem that way.

[Nachomamma8]

I don't remember targeting you N1. I'm pretty confident I targeted GiF N1. Why do you think I targeted you?

1) There's Syr's role, a tracker, two bodyguards, lover innocent children, and a Miller. This is against rolecop/role blocker/goon.

2) "We are supposed to believe there is a roleblocker" - this makes me scum? I'm a claimed tracker but suddenly I'm gonna go "just kidding, I'm actually a roleblocker and I blocked notscience?"??

3) Pie said that I was scum. Pie also said that you were scum. Trying to lynch me via pie calling me scum is pretty dirty when she was doing the same exact thing to you.

4) Bork mentioned you twice. Marquis was a bodyguard and wasn't necessarily the night kill. There wasn't a kill last night. ???????????

[Empire]

Well we can still win this shit seriously. I think we are really getting down to solving this game. But ya I think pie was pretty town.

No shit she was town. The fact that we actually considered the (correct) possibility that there were two BGs in the game after Marquis "counter"claimed is a testament to her townieness here.

What do you think of the Tammy nightkill? I find it incredibly bothersome because I think you and I both know who should have died N3.

I'm going to try re-reading GM and Malakittens to see what's up.

[Empire]

Posts like #812 + #814 look like they make Cephrir more likely town. I don't know how competent Mala is at theater but the way she flips out at Ceph for the vote doesn't look like she's talking to a scumbud. Also, #814 has the added bonus of a GM chainsaw and I don't see why she would mount a chainsaw defense for buddy #2 against buddy #3.