Blitz 9: KATSUKI'S MADNESS PREQUEL-DICE OF FATE-GAME OVER

[Spiffeh]

/confirm

[Spiffeh]

VOTE: MattP scum

Wagon pls

[Spiffeh]

^ MattP scumbuddy located

[Spiffeh]

VOTE: MattP scum

Wagon pls

Are you on crack? That was totally a town post.

What post are you even talking about?
Also yes.

^ MattP scumbuddy located

Starbuck is defintely scum, but don't you think scum with Iecerint?

Why didn't you vote for her then?
I agree Starbuck is scummy but what is your reason for thinking so?

[Spiffeh]

LLD mollie talk to me so I can obvtown for you guys (who happen to be my biggest town reads atm congrats!)

[Spiffeh]

Lynching the miller claim is something I'd expect scum to hop on for an easy stance to have with little explanation so dave and texcat can be scum.

Also every D1 miller claim I have encountered on this site has been town so we're not lynching LLD.

PEdit: them

[Spiffeh]

mollie is gut from her early posts

[Spiffeh]

Actually jk texcat's post 137 reminds me of a recent blitz game where she was town.

This game is a null fest so far

[Spiffeh]

is scum fakeclaiming miller a consistent issue you find yourself running into?

What exactly do you expect to get from this question?

My only completed game with mollie is one where she subbed out Day 1.

[Spiffeh]

@Starbuck why aren't you doing things?

[Spiffeh]

Ok I just tried to make something out of the ISO's of MattP and Nacho but they are firmly in my null pile.
Starbuck I expect more from. She's been around enough where she could have weighed in on game relevant things but opted not to.
She acknowledged me calling her scum but didn't even ask why

VOTE: Starbuck

[Spiffeh]

Also Syryana is null too

[Spiffeh]

Also Syryana is null too

FUCK REDUNDANCY

[Spiffeh]

@Kanye why are you only asking me relevant questions when there like are like 6 nullfucks in this game?

PEdit: mollie pls

[Spiffeh]

Do God's work and vote for Starbuck

[Spiffeh]

Do God's work and vote for Starbuck

[Spiffeh]

Starbuck's response to her wagon is why we wagon people early fyi

I am a little surprised of how easily the wagon built up but I can't say I don't like it. I'm not a daycop if that's what people are actually voting SB for?

So why am I scum already?

I called you scum because instead of contributing to an RVS wagon you chose to vote for someone else.
I'm aware that's mostly a shit reason but it's as good a reason as any to scum read you in RVS.

As I said when I saw that post, I went to bed early. Way to completely misrepresent, Spiffeh.

What did I misrepresent though? You didn't say you were going to bed early until after I made that post so I don't understand what I could possibly be misrepresenting.

Starbuck the main issue I have with your response is how you kinda mud-sling everything under the sun relating to your wagon BUT don't follow it up with a vote. You're also using buzz words for me like "tunneling" and "opportunistic". Seriously I've been making a conscious effort to NOT tunnel anyone this game because I know that has fucked me over in the past so I really don't see how I'm tunneling you.

You also say you think I'm town and then a few posts later list me as acting scummy so which is it?

[Spiffeh]

Lord jesus the Starbuck wagon.

I really don't like this post especially when you're one of the people on the wagon.
Like if you think it's bad why not vote elsewhere or pick it apart?

[Spiffeh]

Wagon #2: Syryana
VOTE: Syryana

[Spiffeh]

Yes because in a recently completed game I tunneled someone all the way from RVS to Day 1 deadline and he ended up being town.

[Spiffeh]

Why do you think Starbuck is scum?

Sorry that's me.

[Spiffeh]

mollie let's talk.
Why are you scum reading me?

[Spiffeh]

Is a call and response routine only saying something when I am called out?
If so then you're wrong.

[Spiffeh]

Syryana's Starbuck case seems like the Syryana I remember from a recent blitz game where he was town. He made a similarly biased case on Firebringer so that doesn't bother me.
But then his most recent post looks like he's trying to deflect the heat he's getting for his Starbuck case onto me by saying I "instigated" it.

[Spiffeh]

UNVOTE:

2. You misrepresented me when you said that I opted to not weigh in on things. I was weighing in on things, but apparently not the things that you wanted me to weigh in on. So, again, why not ask me what my thoughts were rather that misrepresent me as "opting not to weigh in on things?" All you ever have to do is ask and I'll answer. I fucking hate assumptions.

First of all, no. Before my vote on you the only thing you really did was acknowledge my and DGB's scumread of you. You made several p. irrelevant posts after that when I feel like there was enough you could engage with and you chose not to. And I hate hate HATE that now you're trying to turn my valid point against me because I didn't hold your hand and ask you questions before voting which is like not even a bad thing?

I also really don't like that when you're getting wagoned you call the naked voters scummy but you don't apply this same argument to Syryana's wagon. I get that you're scum reading him but if you were so offended about the naked voters on your wagon I feel like they should be giving you some pause here. You pulled out all the stops to discredit your wagon but turn a blind eye when he is being wagoned in a similar way. You are only concerned about yourself and not at all concerned with discerning Syryana's alignment.

So yeah I think Starbuck is scum.

[Spiffeh]

Last time I encountered (presumably) drunk Nacho he was scum js

Nacho stop being a troll~.

And fucking vote Spiffeh.

lmk when you start having opinions that aren't wrong
MattP is town because of post 319.

Spiffeh regularly plays sloppy in RVS bc he tries so hard to pull it out of RVS. That was what led me to think he was scum in my last game with him and he was town. Ya he's pulled himself together nicely since.

<3
All of Nacho, texcat, davesaz, and DGB are underwhelming and I'm grappling between trying to start a wagon on one of them or voting for Starbuck.
I'm leaning towards voting Starbuck.
VOTE: Starbuck

[Spiffeh]

I didn't ask you to hold my hand, but you definitely wanted me to comment on specific items and you are using that against me because I didn't comment on what you wanted me to. Deflection aside, you could use this same exact argument on Iecerint or a few others, too. It isn't a fair assessment at all. If you were curious about my thoughts on a certain matter all you had to do is ask. Not make statements from the get go that I'm sum and not follow up with anything but asking where I was.

I mean yeah a lot of people were being p. useless at the time but having recently completed a game with you I felt it would be most useful to pressure you. And your outrage at how seemingly arbitrary it was sounded like caught scum.

PEdit: Wait you guys are actually lovers? I thought that was a joke for ~reasons~

Ok fine VOTE: davesaz
ISO is shit let's wagon this.

Not a fan of how you brought that up but I guess it's kinda necessary that it's made clear so w/e

PEdit2: I guess it's a little weird but I feel like scum would be more eager to claim when under heavy pressure so I see less scum motivation in not claiming. Do you disagree?

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2. When it comes to the naked voters and your allusion to 203, I said "I don't know what's scummier" and "Those are all scummy actions in retrospect." However, a scummy action isn't automatically indicative of scum. We mislynch on this site all the fucking time.

So I never said that naked votes are scummy.

Come on now

[Spiffeh]

2. When it comes to the naked voters and your allusion to 203, I said "I don't know what's scummier" and "Those are all scummy actions in retrospect." However, a scummy action isn't automatically indicative of scum. We mislynch on this site all the fucking time.

So I never said that naked votes are scummy.

Come on now

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[Spiffeh]

Why the kanye town read?

[Spiffeh]

I know that I'm town and you're stating, and believing, that I'm scum from my fucking RVS vote. I'm scum, according to you, because I didn't vote on whatever RVS wagon that you wanted to get going. You deem that as a scummy action and it's from that action that you've based your entire push on me. While you and DGB may deem that as a scummy action, for some ridiculous reason or another, I know that I am in fact town. So scummy actions aren't indicative of scum. Seriously, go look at the number of games that I was lynched as a VT on Day 1 because all these people swore that I was scum.

Are you seriously trying to act like my entire reason for scum reading you is because of your RVS vote? You have been devoting several posts to this issue when I brought it up like twice in total and even admitted that is was a pretty weak reason. If you'd like restate my arguments I will but don't try to misrepresent my reasons like that.
And saying scummy actions are not indicative of scum is just such a ridiculous assertion I don't know what to say. I refuse to believe you actually buy this and I think you're resorting to this terrible argument just to get me off your back.

Bottom line: you're choosing to focus on such a small part of my argument and putting my valid points on the back-burner, and the way you're resorting to the pitiful argument of "scummy actions aren't scummy" makes me think you're panicking. I still want you to do that analysis/whatever of naked and unexplained votes on Syryana that you promised.

[Spiffeh]

But then when called out says he was intending to vote texcat but then iso'd him and changed his mind? That's some weird contradictory shenanigans

I do this all the time and I think I've done it with texcat this game so why is it scummy for him and not for me?

(sry guys I'm way behind)

[Spiffeh]

Matty what are your thoughts on dave?

[Spiffeh]

Actually, if we want you lynched I'm gonna save mollie. So bollocks to that.

Yay now I can vote for Starbuck freely
VOTE: Starbuck

[Spiffeh]

kanye townreads are arbitrary and unwarranted and I don't get them.

[Spiffeh]

@Matt

Lynching the miller claim is something I'd expect scum to hop on for an easy stance to have with little explanation so dave and texcat can be scum.

Also every D1 miller claim I have encountered on this site has been town so we're not lynching LLD.

PEdit: them

Actually jk texcat's post 137 reminds me of a recent blitz game where she was town.

This game is a null fest so far

I did it in Cougar's Den too
Bottom line it's a bad reason to scum read Iecerint

[Spiffeh]

Lynching the miller claim is something I'd expect scum to hop on for an easy stance to have with little explanation so dave and texcat can be scum.

Also every D1 miller claim I have encountered on this site has been town so we're not lynching LLD.

Both of these stances are fairly shallow: lynching Miller claims based on policy is not "easy" when policy lynches haven't been a thing for very long now, and calling suspicion of a player scummy without actually looking into a player's suspicions is dumb.

Calling LLD town because she claimed Miller is as terrible as calling her scum because she claimed Miller.

I was calling the stance easy, not making the push itself (which you'll notice neither of them actually do). It gives them an easy place to find their footing early on (especially when neither of them were any part of other discussions) that people wouldn't necessarily find scummy. It's something to hide behind as everyone else goes after each other.
I don't get your second sentence.

LLD hasn't given me a reason to question it so I don't really care.

[Spiffeh]

What you just quoted isn't the same as the sort of contradiction I was pointing out for iecerint

Eh I guess reading back on it, it kinda looks like he stuck that in to make it seem like he was thinking critically/engaged with the game. Is that what you were going for?

If not I still don't get it.

[Spiffeh]

DGB making reads and then immediately retracting them is shit.

VOTE: DGB

Town

Why did you vote Syryana here, exactly? It seems like you're pretty happy with the wagon here so the switch is weird.

Because I wanted a new wagon and Syryana was a perfect candidate.

Why did you unvote initially if it wasn't because they were lovers?

Because I wanted a new wagon and Syryana was a perfect candidate.
Your questions are easy.
Nacho what do you think of Starbuck?
Also I don't like that you say like three vaguely negative things about me but don't include me in your scumreads. It looks like you selectively chose your scum reads based on popular opinion and omitted me because I'm being largely townread.
So what is your actual read of me?

[Spiffeh]

I love cupcakes and duckcakes.

[Spiffeh]

Syryana what makes DGB a better vote than Starbuck?

[Spiffeh]

I love cupcakes and duckcakes!

[Spiffeh]

DGB used her role in like the towniest way possible. Don't think she's scum.

[Spiffeh]

VOTE: Starbuck

This is def. scum.

[Spiffeh]

Why wouldn't she remove a more influential town player if she was scum?

[Spiffeh]

You should know if you read like any of my posts yesterday

[Spiffeh]

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<I love cupcakes and duckcakes!>

Definite scum is strong words, makes me curious if you already had that opinion.

Not that I'm reading this not half asleep it looks like a subtle way to discredit my vote on Starbuck.

Dave what exactly is the point of saying this?

[Spiffeh]

Also sorry mollie I'm willing to take the one for one trade especially since there was no nk!

[Spiffeh]

That second one is about DGB. Either way why does it look like a setup to you?

[Spiffeh]

Are you sure you aren't scum, Spiffeh? This stinks of a set up.

This is Starbuck trying to discredit her wagon and give herself an out for when she votes me later all in one! YGG
There's no way this post is from town PLEASE CAN WE LYNCH THIS

[Spiffeh]

Taco Bell.

Also, short version, Spiffeh is town, Nacho isn't, Starbuck still isn't.

Syryana please humor me and tell me why you think I'm scum now when you make a point to call me town here and never mention me again after (except to answer a question I asked you)?

[Spiffeh]

btw mollie you have succeeded in pissing me off so you can cut the shit

What from our interactions makes you so confident that I'm bussing Starbuck instead of pushing my biggest scumread?

[Spiffeh]

MattP DGB is town.

Come vote Starbuck with me.

[Spiffeh]

Spiffeh

You think the lover claim isn't at all weird?

Yes I think it's weird but I don't see how that makes Starbuck town?

[Spiffeh]

DGB who is scum?

[Spiffeh]

I'll give you a hint: it's Starbuck

[Spiffeh]

okay

if there is some latent hatred of me or something it wld be really nice now if you just said "OMFUCKINGGOD I HATE YOU MOLLIE" and be done with it already.

I am sick to death beyond repair with dealing with passive aggressive alts right about now. I am sorry for whatever it was I did to you. can you plz leave me alone now

I don't hate you at all I actually really enjoy playing with you. I hope it didn't come across that way
I am just frustrated at you continuing to call me scum for reasons I still don't understand.

[Spiffeh]

Also I'm not an alt

[Spiffeh]

Do you actually have a guilty on him?

Also I don't want to piss her off I am the type of person that doesn't handle people hating me well

[Spiffeh]

kanye who is scum?

[Spiffeh]

Confession: I only asked so I could have pagetop.

[Spiffeh]

okay

if there is some latent hatred of me or something it wld be really nice now if you just said "OMFUCKINGGOD I HATE YOU MOLLIE" and be done with it already.

I am sick to death beyond repair with dealing with passive aggressive alts right about now. I am sorry for whatever it was I did to you. can you plz leave me alone now

I don't hate you at all I actually really enjoy playing with you. I hope it didn't come across that way
I am just frustrated at you continuing to call me scum for reasons I still don't understand.

mollie pls ;_;

[Spiffeh]

lmao I like this LLD

[Spiffeh]

mollie correct before it's too late pls

[Spiffeh]

you and star felt out of step at the time. was I misreading it? cos it looks like you are bussing star and I have literally no idea what to do about it other than say that you looked like you are bussing star.

Yeah you are misreading it because I'm town and have kept pretty steady pressure on her for the whole game and haven't really backed down from it so I can't figure out how it could be perceived as bussing in the first place.

And your other given reason for scum reading me was that I was only talking when talked about (I don't remember the exact wording) and that's not true so I'm left here still wondering at what your beef (in a game sense) is with me.

[Spiffeh]

That's cool!

+1

[Spiffeh]

Nacho what do you think of Starbuck?
Also I don't like that you say like three vaguely negative things about me but don't include me in your scumreads. It looks like you selectively chose your scum reads based on popular opinion and omitted me because I'm being largely townread.
So what is your actual read of me?

Nacho this is still a thing that I want an answer too.
Mostly your read on Starbuck.

[Spiffeh]

Really not digging Nacho's whole "respond to multiple trivial things at once but make no attempt to draw conclusions from them" schtick he's got going on

[Spiffeh]

This isn't the town Spiffeh that I've seen in the past however many games.

What specifically makes you say this?

[Spiffeh]

That was cute

[Spiffeh]

How do I have anything to do with DGB's lynch switch?

You don't. This was in response to Matt when I was discussing my scum read on you and I thought he was presenting it as evidence that you were town.

[Spiffeh]

I do feel that Spiffeh is really fucking weird this game with how much he's calling for my death. I've played quite a bit with Spiffeh over the past month or so of being back. In other situations, I felt like I could talk with him and have a conversation. Here it's just straight out abrasive (in a game sense) with no chance of him even reconsidering his stance.

Starbuck I don't really know what conversation there is to have. Early on I asked you the difference between the naked voters on the Syryana and your wagon and you never answered. That was me reaching out. Since then I haven't really seen anything resembling a town post that made me question my read so I don't really what else you want me to do. I have pointed out various scummy things you have done and have observed you contribute next to nothing other than try to deflect my and other's suspicion of you. From what I know from playing with you recently, lack of contribution was never really an issue. In our completed game together after you caught up you were actively engaged and there was a lot more substance.

Idk and I am also not buying that you don't expect some level of certainty and aggression towards my scum reads from me.

[Spiffeh]

That's because it was sarcasm. I won't be voting Spiffeh, but he is acting wayyyy over the top.

So who will you be voting for? Also this p. much contradicts everything you've said about me up to this point...

[Spiffeh]

I'll admit I have been a little tunnelly recently but that doesn't mean I am any less confident in my read of you.

I just have way too many townreads that I need to condense.

As for other scum I'd probably guess dave and Nacho at this point? Nacho I kinda talked about already but dave is not nearly as obvtown as he was in Cougar's Den.

Starbuck what are your thoughts on them?

[Spiffeh]

I also don't remember a thing Iecerint has down all game

[Spiffeh]

[Spiffeh]

Ugh I love my new avatar

[Spiffeh]

My sheer lack of contribution is the fact that I lost one of my dogs this week, and my dogs are like my kids, on top of not being able to catch my breath from that due to my fellowship stuff. I'm not holding up too well in my other games either. I don't mean for this to be AtE. It's just the truth. It's been a rough fucking week and I won't get a break until Sunday. Hence, my V/LA. I mean, hell, it's almost 2 am and I'm not in bed because I'm catching up on mafia games.

I'm sorry to hear this

[Spiffeh]

Ythan who is scum?

[Spiffeh]

Uggggghhhhhhhhhhhhh idk what to do

[Spiffeh]

That is probably the last thing I would do

[Spiffeh]

Because Matt is town

[Spiffeh]

davesaz can you like

do something

[Spiffeh]

MattP trying to bait mollie into getting modkilled I see!!!!!

[Spiffeh]

Herpes?

[Spiffeh]

We have two days I wanna hear actual things from Iecerint and davesaz

[Spiffeh]

Just lynch Starbuck and have Syryana prove himself by saving mollie

ez

[Spiffeh]

Hey guys davesaz is scum js

[Spiffeh]

That's blatantly untrue. I *NEVER* said that I suspected Spiffeh.

This isn't the town Spiffeh that I've seen in the past however many games.

I do feel that Spiffeh is really fucking weird this game with how much he's calling for my death. I've played quite a bit with Spiffeh over the past month or so of being back. In other situations, I felt like I could talk with him and have a conversation. Here it's just straight out abrasive (in a game sense) with no chance of him even reconsidering his stance.

Isn't this you suspecting me?
Also the way you keep reiterating that you won't be voting for me/don't suspect me now makes you think you are flipping scum and trying to perpetuate this notion that we are scumbuddies so I can be mislynched next day.

[Spiffeh]

Iecerint who is scum?

[Spiffeh]

Her claim was a troll lol

[Spiffeh]

Iecerint who is scum?

I think the best thing to do right now is to vet LLD's claim, prevent her from backing out when/if it doesn't pan out, or give her opportunities to recant.

If she doesn't recant, we are lynching from the 5 on Starbuck's wagon, because presuming 3 scum it's 40% chance vs. 14% chance (not counting self-modifiers and giving Starbuck benefit of the doubt -- that still only makes it 40% vs. 20% in the most extreme case).

All things being as I expect them to be, I think that you are the most likely scum right now, because I think that if I were in your position and were enjoying a 50% scum-finding rate (2 out of 4 excepting you), I would be all the fuck over that instead of whatever it is you're doing right now.

This seems like a town reaction to LLD's claim, especially the last paragraph.

But now that LLD has recanted it who is scum?

[Spiffeh]

Because has been parked all day and I want to see where your head is at?

[Spiffeh]

I think Iecerint is a Starbuck scumbuddy

[Spiffeh]

Also Starbuck you're really pulling at my heartstrings

[Spiffeh]

Yeah dave wtf is that crap

[Spiffeh]

Also why are you only now mentioning that you think Starbuck is town now that she is at L-1 and we have like no time left when you had all day to say something?

Starbuck has p. much monopolized the discussion all day and you choose to now to say "oh btw Starbuck is town"?

[Spiffeh]

I'm a paranoid mfer

[Spiffeh]

What?

[Spiffeh]

dave's recent post looks like he's gearing up and posturing for your town flip and it's making me second guess myself.

What do you think?

[Spiffeh]

Come back to Starbuck I'm sticking with my first instinct.

I don't want to drop what I've been confident about all day because of some fleeting paranoia.

[Spiffeh]

I feel like people took my one thing I said about Dave and ran with it

[Spiffeh]

Nacho that wasn't a response to you it was an entirely separate thought.

I was going to hammer here but mollie did so w/e

dave isn't the worst lynch I just feel like it took absolutely zero convincing when Starbuck the whole day.

[Spiffeh]

VOTE: davesaz

[Spiffeh]

I love cupcakes and duckcakes!

[Spiffeh]

VOTE: Starbuck

Not letting her slip through again.

[Spiffeh]

Like even her first post this day doesn't make sense.

How can the shift to davesaz be scummy if she is town?

[Spiffeh]

Also I think Nacho is her scum buddy because hew as so gung ho about lynching her when the majority was there but he jumped to the davesaz wagon at the earliest opportunity.

[Spiffeh]

Also I'm inclined to believe Syry's claim is town aligned with two pairs of lovers and DGB's role.

[Spiffeh]

mollie can we like

hash this thing out? Because I forsee this turning out badly if you're still scum reading me later on.

[Spiffeh]

Like even her first post this day doesn't make sense.

How can the shift to davesaz be scummy if she is town?

Counter to that, why couldn't it be?

Just because I wasn't lynched doesn't mean that he was any less town.

Well who was scummy on it and why? You're not pushing anyone on it which makes me think the whole purpose of that post was to try and shift focus off of you and onto the dave wagon without really caring who it was.

And I don't see how a shift from one townie to another (from your pov) is scum motivated? Whereas a wagon shift from scum to town is probably scum motivated and another one on the laundry list of reasons to lynch you.

PEdit: What does your claim have anything to do with this?

[Spiffeh]

You and Starbuck. dave and Iece.

I assume Iece committed suicide because he was dave's lover?

[Spiffeh]

Idk what unrequited lover means lol

[Spiffeh]

In the time you took to type that post you could have just told me what it was

[Spiffeh]

mollie since you're so focused on associating Starbuck with someone can you acknowledge how Nacho acted yesterday regarding her?

[Spiffeh]

Also I think Nacho is her scum buddy because hew as so gung ho about lynching her when the majority was there but he jumped to the davesaz wagon at the earliest opportunity.

Look at this, read back, give your thoughts.

[Spiffeh]

Can you provide them?

[Spiffeh]

Syryana's role still makes sense with that so I am not phased.

[Spiffeh]

Hi I'll get to this at some point today

That VC is awful tho

[Spiffeh]

Yeah scum team is Starbuck/Ythan/Nacho

[Spiffeh]

Responding to things rn sorry for my absence.

[Spiffeh]

Matt I will get to it that's just like my thesis statement for what is coming

[Spiffeh]

What does this mean?

If she's town then how does a wagon shifting from town!Starbuck to town!davesaz mean anything?
It means a lot more if a wagon shifts from town to scum like I think it did.

So I don't understand how she can say the wagon shift was scum motivated unless they it was from scum to town? It looks like she's more concerned with drawing attention to the dave wagon rather than analyzing the motivations and who was actually scummy on it.

I also find this case stupidly, stupidly shallow; what do you think about the way I pushed davesaz? What do you think of Starbuck's posts near the end of the day?

I feel like "shallow" is the fucking buzzword people are using for me and it's sticking for some reason. I explained exactly what I thought of the situation. The davesaz wagon happened because I made a statement out of paranoia. MattP voted for dave because of it and you, AFTER FIGHTING FOR A STARBUCK LYNCH ALL DAY, decide to change course at that moment. You never said a thing about davesaz all day until momentum started building.

People are probably going to cry about preflip associatives here but they make perfect sense if they would go back and read.

[Spiffeh]

I originally rather liked him for how he was strangling the shit out of Starbuck but on reread he's shallow as fuck. Not only that but a lot of the things he says seems to have no other motivation other than to cast suspicion: 388 and 893 for example. I played with ol' Spiff in Blitz 2 a couple weeks ago and his questions had depth and his analysis was pretty evident. None of that here.

Again I still don't get why you think I'm being shallow.

And yeah those posts were observations from what I was feeling at the time so casting suspicion would be an appropriate label. I mean I feel like I explained those observations adequately enough so idk what to tell you there. That's my posting style (others should be able to vouch for me here).

[Spiffeh]

The LLD votes are disgusting.

[Spiffeh]

They're from town though which is unfortunate

[Spiffeh]

VOTE: Spiffeh

So you don't care that Syryana, the only scum read you've vocalized the whole game up to this point, is on my wagon?

[Spiffeh]

God damn it Starbuck sounds townier with her recent posts and it pisses me the fuck off

I want my Starbuck/Nacho/Ythan scum team to be right

[Spiffeh]

Because LLD is obvtown

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kanye who do you think is scum other than LLD?

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Wait fuck we have like 8 hours

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Her frustration here mirrors that of another game where she was town (I replaced out early).

I highly highly doubt she claims miller D1 as scum.

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mollie the only rationale you've given is that I'm bussing Starbuck so can you please explain why?

You've kept dancing around the reasoning and it's really annoying

PEdit: Matt can you not

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kanye you're basically telling me to ignore the reasons why I think LLD is town and explain why LLD is town.

It boils down to gut I guess just like why I'm reading you and mollie as town.

I also couldn't point to specific aspects of your play that make me town read you but the town read is still there.

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rude

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Yeah it's late and I'm going to bed

No one can articulate their scum read on me so I've had no opportunity to defend myself and everyone is kinda just gradually trickling over to conveniently scum reading me so I know where this is going.

I don't understand how everyone agrees with my reasoning regarding Starbuck (and even davesaz briefly) yesterday but today it's going by the wayside. My absence today, which is admittedly on me, has caused everyone to forget why they were townreading me and scum (read: Nacho and Ythan) are capitalizing on it.

So I'm gonna VOTE: Ythan and hopefully wake up to him being lynched tomorrow.

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I love cupcakes and duckcakes.

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I still stand by the scum team I outlined yesterday.

That being said if I'm wrong about Starbuck and there are three scum like I think there are it's game over if we lynch Starbuck and both mollie and Starbuck are town.

VOTE: Ythan

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Seriously voting LLD because of the night kill when he didn't say a word about her yesterday (other than his other naked vote on her) makes it obvious he is just going wherever the wind blows.

He did the same shit when he voted me yesterday.

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mollie this is really bad

Just because I didn't freak out on you I must be scum? Need I remind you the one time I vocalized my frustration with you, this is how you responded? And now you're trying to pass off me not continuously lashing out against you as justification for scum reading me this whole time? That doesn't make any sense to me ESPECIALLY after Prozac's game (it's now completed so I can talk about it) where you literally singled me out and said how much you loved playing with me and how well we worked together. And after that here you expect town!me to tell you I hate you and never want to play with you again just because you suspect me?

This whole game I've been trying to get an explanation out of you for why you're scum reading me and the closest I got was you telling me I was bussing Starbuck with no follow up. So coming off our synergy in Prozac I don't get why you haven't been trying to work things out with me. Instead you've had your mind made up for the whole game without considering any other possibility and it has been incredibly frustrating.

Sorry if this comes off as harsh, and you know I like you, but I just really can't comprehend your interactions with me this game.

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And Syryana can you respond to the things I've been posting instead of voting me because I am "shallow" or w/e

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DGB why are you now voting LLD when yesterday Ythan was your preferred lynch?

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I love cupcakes and duckcakes.

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One of Starbuck and mollie are scum or scum would have killed one of them to win the game.

Unfortunately we can't lynch either of them because the town one (OMG what if they were scum together I would lol) would die and scum kill someone and win.

I will be rereading the whole game when it's not 2 AM.

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I still maintain that Syryana's role makes a lot of sense given the setup.

But I guess it's not necessarily town especially since it's basically confirmed one of the lovers is scum.

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Actually Starbuck going after him makes him look town lol

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MOLLIE WTF

If you're town unvote

We just lost

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Mollie I'm saying scum could have gotten rid of two townies if both of you were making them automatically win the game.

Unless you think there are only 2 scum (which I highly doubt) this perfectly valid fucking observation

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Mollie why the hell would you vote so early in what is likely LYLO

Unvote now

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It doesn't matter scum are going to win when they hammer

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Unless Mollie and Syryana are scum together?

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W/e if he's town he and mollie fucked it up anyway

VOTE: Syryana

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Starbuck I'm sorry

I felt really fucking bad pushing you all game

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LLD your reads early game made me fucking nauseous but no one listened to you fsr

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But yeah gj fam

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Oh and I'm fine with scum chat being released