Mini 1749: Classic Rock Mafia: Game Over!

Frozen Angel · Post Post #451 (ISO) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 6:58 pm

In post 443, Radja wrote:I voted Albert after he said he was not going to contribute. After that, he parked his vote on me without explanation. I wanted to hear more from him, so I left my vote there. Now he continues to post nothing and goes on V/LA.

What are you on about me not waiting for Albert to return? This looks like you're trying to discredit me for shitty reasons.

you contributed 0 detail about the running game. I'm discrediting you for shitty reasons?

In post 443, Radja wrote:I also never said I wouldn't talk. I said I wasn't moving my vote. I have been interacting with others in the meantime as well.

lets talk. whats you opinion about Direfire and Mattp ? and how do you reach that conclusions about them?

In post 443, Radja wrote:If you're talking about voteparking, what have you been doing? You've been voting me, and complain about not more people voting me, instead of bringing in new content or trying to interact with me. at least iroan was asking me questions when he was voting me.

for the love of god! Everyone who votes are not "vote parking". its a term used for voting someone who is not here and using it to stay away from the game progression.

In post 443, Radja wrote:Why don't YOU pressure me?

I'm not? oh yeah maybe not enough!

pedit :Wow, is vig claim normal in normal games?

Frozen Angel · Post Post #452 (ISO) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 6:59 pm

that's my lack of experience ^^^

MattP · Post Post #453 (ISO) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 6:59 pm

In post 451, Frozen Angel wrote:pedit :Wow, is vig claim normal in normal games?

Are you serious right now? It's a normal role. It's one of the roles approved for normal setups.

You're scum.

MattP · Post Post #454 (ISO) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 7:00 pm

Fine, whatever, lack of experience is a valid excuse. That was just like a really weird thing to be skeptical about

Frozen Angel · Post Post #455 (ISO) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 7:01 pm

I never said is the role normal or not.

I said its claim is normal or not ...

Frozen Angel · Post Post #456 (ISO) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 7:02 pm

I think I read somewhere SK's best claim is vig.... I can't remember where and having SK is normal in normal games sooo, I don't know how should I exactly react to a vig claim ...

MattP · Post Post #457 (ISO) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 7:04 pm

In post 456, Frozen Angel wrote:I think I read somewhere SK's best claim is vig.... I can't remember where and having SK is normal in normal games sooo, I don't know how should I exactly react to a vig claim ...

>.>

SK is a normal role, it's pretty uncommon in small games due to swinginess of having two antitown in such a small setup. It's possible. Purely trying to be unbiased I wouldn't worry about that until later in the game.

I don't get why you would know that SKs are normal but you wouldn't know that vigs are. This is such a scummy reaction to a claim.

Frozen Angel · Post Post #458 (ISO) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 7:06 pm

WHEN I SAID VIG IS NOT NORMAL. I ASKED WHATS THE OPTIMAL PLAY WHEN SOMEBODY CLAIMS THAT.

why you misrep me?!

MattP · Post Post #459 (ISO) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 7:08 pm

In post 458, Frozen Angel wrote: WHEN I SAID VIG IS NOT NORMAL. I ASKED WHATS THE OPTIMAL PLAY WHEN SOMEBODY CLAIMS THAT.

why you misrep me?!

You didn't say "What's the optimal play when someone claims vig"

You said "Is vig claim normal in normal games"

You're changing the meaning. Even if I misinterpreted it, taking it for face value you're asking the playerlist if it's normal for a vig to claim in a normal game, which is also a bizarre question anyway. You didn't ask the question in the way you're now saying you intended it, you never talked about "optimal play"

MattP · Post Post #460 (ISO) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 7:09 pm

Maybe you meant the question to mean something different that you initially phrased it but saying I "misrepped" you when you're now completely changing what you first said is zany

Frozen Angel · Post Post #461 (ISO) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 7:10 pm

vig claim. not vig role

I asked is vig claim normal in normal games or not... means I have no idea what should I do with it.

Frozen Angel · Post Post #462 (ISO) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 7:11 pm

I know vig role is pretty normal. I have no idea if the "vig claim" is a normal move or not

MattP · Post Post #463 (ISO) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 7:14 pm

You seriously are asking people if it's normal for a vig to claim?

That's such a ridiculous thing to "ask the viewership"

Why do you need people's opinions on that? All different types of roles claim all the time in game. I clearly outlined my reasoning for claiming. Claiming roles isn't some sort of mechanic, people claim when they want to claim - why do you need to ask people about it?

MattP · Post Post #464 (ISO) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 7:15 pm

Why wouldn't you just read my reasoning and use that to rationalize whether or not you think the claim is believable? Why do you need other people to explain it to you?

Frozen Angel · Post Post #465 (ISO) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 7:17 pm

Can you understand me?!!!

or you need me to say that in french ?

est-ce une chose normale à la revendication si vous êtes un vigilants ? ou pas ?

pedit : I have no idea why should a PR claim in day 1 like that. because vig is too easy to follow? why shouldn't mafia kill you tonight? why is that a good thing to claim ?

pedit again : you said because its easily followable. I don't find a reason why shouldn't you be an SK how tried to claim vig. I know I'm bad at setup speculation thing because I'm not that experienced. but I have concerns!

why shouldn't mafia kill you tonight if your a real vig ?

MattP · Post Post #466 (ISO) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 7:22 pm

In post 465, Frozen Angel wrote:pedit : I have no idea why should a PR claim in day 1 like that. because vig is too easy to follow? why shouldn't mafia kill you tonight? why is that a good thing to claim ?

pedit again : you said because its easily followable. I don't find a reason why shouldn't you be an SK how tried to claim vig. I know I'm bad at setup speculation thing because I'm not that experienced. but I have concerns!

why shouldn't mafia kill you tonight if your a real vig ?

Mafia can kill me tonight, that's my point. I don't hold myself in such high esteem that I think I'll definitely be hitting scum on night, there's plenty of theory discussion done about why vigs are negative utility roles for town anyway (I can link this to you). It's not a big deal if I'm NKd. If I was a cop or doc I would not have claimed this early.

If I was a SK I wouldn't have claimed vig until I was L-1 because I wouldn't want scum knowing I was the killing role unless it was absolutely necessary - why would I want that extra target on my back as an SK when I would need to survive to endgame? As vig I don't need to.

Frozen Angel · Post Post #467 (ISO) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 7:24 pm

In post 466, MattP wrote:It's not a big deal if I'm NKd.

ha?

vig is not a town PR? it doubles town power to kill ... why your death is not a big deal?

MattP · Post Post #468 (ISO) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 7:25 pm

In post 466, MattP wrote:As vig I don't need to.

This is to say, as vig I don't need to worry about being NK'd because I just need town to win.

And I already explained the benefits - I think there is a cop in the game due to there being a miller. Scum can roleblock me if they want rather than kill me (supposing they have a roleblocker) but then the cop will not be roleblocked and their investigation will go through.

If scum want to save their roleblock they need to NK me, which is fine because I'll still get my N1 kill in and I was being scumread anyway by the majority of the players in the game so it wasn't a big deal if I took that bullet.

MattP · Post Post #469 (ISO) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 7:26 pm

In post 467, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 466, MattP wrote:It's not a big deal if I'm NKd.

ha?

vig is not a town PR? it doubles town power to kill ... why your death is not a big deal?

Great, and here is where you don't know about vig theory. I'll link you to the thread, like I just clearly said I would if you didn't understand.

Frozen Angel · Post Post #470 (ISO) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 7:27 pm

MattP · Post Post #471 (ISO) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 7:27 pm

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=58894

MattP · Post Post #472 (ISO) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 7:29 pm

Vigs more often than not shoot town because people, when left to their own devices, are surprisingly usually not that great at catching mafia.

Anyone who thinks they're valuable as a vig either doesn't know vigs are anti-town or are completely full of themselves.

Frozen Angel · Post Post #473 (ISO) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 7:45 pm

I need to think about it. thx. I have a very better feeling about the claim right now. sorry for being a noob

MattP · Post Post #474 (ISO) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 8:56 pm

Anyway here is who I want lynched VOTE: Mathilda