Mini 1749: Classic Rock Mafia: Game Over!

[Albert B. Rampage]

It doesn't make sense that she says this regarding my bussing:

yeah you did last game on Ice, didn't you?!

But also believes this:

you wagoned your teammate since day 1. your not doing that here

[RadiantCowbells]

Classic Rock Mafia:

Votecount #1.24:

Mathilda (4): MattP, Lowell, Taly, Garmr
Dierfire (3): iraonavp, Aeronaut, AlwaysInnocent
Radja (2): Albert B. Rampage, Frozen Angel
MattP (1): Mathilda
iraonavp (1): Dierfire
Albert B. Rampage (1): Radja
AlwaysInnocent (1): Dwlee99
Firebringer (0):
Aeronaut (0):
Frozen Angel (0):
Lowell (0):
Garmr (0):
Taly (0):



Not voting:

With 13 alive it's 7 to lynch.

Night falls in (expired on 2016-01-08 21:00:00).

Song:

Boston: More than a Feeling

Notes:

Maryanne.

[Frozen Angel]

ninjaed

I was shaping my thought process.

[Albert B. Rampage]

So what, you thought I was bussing Radja?

For context, that was in response to this. Her second answer doesn't align with her slip if she really thought I wasn't bussing.

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: Frozen

[Frozen Angel]

You just showed me the possibility of doing the same thing you did in your last scum game!

I wasn't seeing that before your question!

pedit : sure!

[Albert B. Rampage]

The only way you could know I'm not bussing is if you're scum.

[Frozen Angel]

[Frozen Angel]

I just simply can see that vote from town or scum you.

yeah you did last game on Ice, didn't you?!

[Frozen Angel]

this implies I think your not bussing Radja ... right.

[Frozen Angel]

I'm currently more happy with my vote

[Albert B. Rampage]

this implies I think your not bussing Radja ... right.

It implies you think I might be, in complete contradiction to what I quoted where you directly say I'm not.

[Frozen Angel]

I didn't found it when I said I didn't saw you doing that in my first post!

You showed me the possibility of that!

[Frozen Angel]

If it was vise versa (I thought you could have done that and denied it in my next post) that was A SLIP. but I didn't slipped! I just simply saw a new possibility.

[Frozen Angel]

I just simply can see that vote from town or scum you.

yeah you did last game on Ice, didn't you?!

Any thing else I must answer?!

[iraonavp]

I don't really follow what ABR is saying, is it that Frozen Angel is scum-aligned for not acknowledging the possibility of bussing..?

Attempting to find associations between players pre-flip is usually bad. It's possible to read two players as scum-aligned, even though if one flipped scum-aligned then your read would change on the other.

MY SCUM READING HIM HAS NO RELATION WITH READING YOU.

I think this is what I'm getting at.

It's very far from a scumslip, and I would actually say that it's probably a smarter way to play than what you are suggesting.

[iraonavp]

its simple. town kills, then scum kill. scum will always kill town. town may kill town or scum. you add a vig and its like town gets an extra lynch. more town kills = good.

But the lynches give us information about who voted, when they voted, whether they were opportunistic or jumped off the wagon at the last moment, whether they were pointing a FoS at someone but not voting etc. This is why day one lynches are useful even though we are more likely to kill town. Vigilante kills only give us information from the flip. This is why they are anti-town.

A vigilante should avoid using their ability until they are confident of hitting scum.

I even missed this one. This is an implausible, and desperate, argument. ABR answered this completely, so I won't dwell, but this would be obviously, intuitively wrong to anyone with a town role.

How so? I simply can't see how a town-aligned player would be more likely to hold a different perspective on something theory-based!

That's just patently absurd.

but this would be obviously, intuitively wrong to anyone with a town role.

I can just quote this and get seriously confused as to why you are so confident in your opinion here.

I fully agree that Mathilda is wrong about her belief on when vigilantes should shoot, but I can't see how that would make her more likely to be scum-aligned, at all.

[iraonavp]

I don't like Mathilda particularly much, but she seems vaguely lynchbaity. Shooting her would be better in my opinion. I would much prefer to lynch Dierfire.

[Mathilda]

[quote="In post 542, Garmr"]
Mahilda feels like scum
comparing this game to mini day 3 she plays a lot different. The way she handles her votes in that game were more care free and less cautious. The information she produced was also better quality and her opions were pushed more by her. Even through a lot of people scum read her she handled the pressure well.
=26392]here is the game
/quote]

I think the problem with this game is that I came in late and couldn't properly catch up and also another game started afterwards. That and not being bored at work where I would be constantly scrutinising every post. Whereas before I've put my name down on different threads and only hear back from one.

[Frozen Angel]

Whats your read on Radja and ABR , mathilda?

[Mathilda]

I'm OK with people voting for me and won't try to defend myself. I am more interested in generating information and I think that my lynch achieves that. A lynch wagon has developed quickly which suggests that some scum have jumped on it opportunistically. At the last vote count it was:

MattP, Lowell, Taly, Garmr, Albert B. Rampage

ironavp has also expressed a desire for me to be shot. So everyone that is currently voting for me, has voted for me, or wants to vote for me, I would like you to hear your defence now rather than later if I get lynched and consequently flip green. Why did you vote in the order that you did? Why exactly are you so sure that I am scum? What exactly is your case against me?

I want this explicitly stated before any flip. Feels are not enough. I always play differently to everyone else and judging me by how differently I play will always lead to a conclusion that I am scum. So what specific scum tells have I made. I want specific references to posts and quotations. I want to make sure that you will be held to account for a mis-lynch and will have to explain yourself.

[Mathilda]

Whats your read on Radja and ABR , mathilda?

Just ISO'ed them both and skimmed through their posts so these are really only impressions I get.

ABR - opportunistic fluff poster with very little content. Doesn't explain himself or add any other information unless he has to defend himself or asked for clarification.
Radja - Compared with ABR he does actually try to apply pressure to other people and scrutinise what they are saying, asking specific questions to catch them out.

Out of the two I'd put ABR as scum and Radja as town. ABR's posting style strikes me as scum trying to appear to hunt without actually sticking his head above the parapet. Radja hasn't said much either but by comparison it looks like it's because he is a cooler player observing what's going on and trying to form opinions and interjecting when he sees something that doesn't quite add up.

[Lowell]

I don't like Mathilda particularly much, but she seems vaguely lynchbaity. Shooting her would be better in my opinion. I would much prefer to lynch Dierfire.

This is verrrrry suspicious. Trying to bind a vig's hand?

fos iraon

[Dierfire]

@Mathilda

So everyone that is currently voting for me, has voted for me, or wants to vote for me, I would like you to hear your defence now rather than later if I get lynched and consequently flip green. Why did you vote in the order that you did? Why exactly are you so sure that I am scum? What exactly is your case against me?

I'm not voting for you currently, but I'm very much considering it, especially because your vote is still on Matt when it's fairly clear that he should not be lynched today.
You expressed suspicion of ABR. Is that enough suspicion for a vote?

[Dierfire]

I'm not exactly certain what's going on with this supposed slip by Frozen. Could someone refer me to the previous game in question?