Blitz 16: Blitz Greatest Idea Mafia(GAME OVER)

[RadiantCowbells]

Rc this is not only about me. your not playing like YOU.

what are your reads so far?

I don't really have any :\

[RadiantCowbells]

Actually, I do.

I get scumvibes from Persivul.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Persivul

[Kraeg]

(expired on 2016-01-09 08:56:47)

Vote Count:

Ranger[4] - Persivul, Frozen Angel, lane0168, Jackal711
Wednesday_[3] - Smithereens, BlackStar, Flubbernugget
Almost50[2] - Ranger, davesaz
davesaz[1] - Starbuck
Frozen Angel[1] - Wednesday_
Persivul[1] - RadiantCowbells

Not voting: Almost50

7 votes are needed for a lynch.

[Frozen Angel]

Ranger[4] - Persivul, Frozen Angel, lane0168, Jackal711
Wednesday_[3] - Smithereens, BlackStar, Flubbernugget
Almost50[2] - Ranger, davesaz
davesaz[1] - Starbuck
Frozen Angel[1] - Wednesday_
Persivul[1] - RadiantCowbells

Not voting: Almost50

this vote status is pinging me so hard. baka (almost50) is not voting , which I think its not unlike him as town based on our previous experiences. Rc voting persival for a gut feel . Wednsday voting me for OMGUS. Starbuck is on RVS I suppose. Ranger never stated why is he scumreading baka. dave is kind of vote parked to pressure. Smithreen is scumreading wednsday solo and I , Persival , lane and Jackle are suspicious about a relationship between Ranger and Wednsday . I'm not sure about Blackstar stanse here.

I like to see how is everyone looking at this status ^

[Smithereens]

If ranger dies, at least we can assume a large scum presence on his wagon when he bloody flips town. my gosh.

[Smithereens]

Oh lol, I thought there were 2 hours left. Nvm.. Still have time to discuss.

@FA, are you so confident about the Link between Wednesday and the other guy that you're prepared to kill him...?

[Frozen Angel]

@FA, are you so confident about the Link between Wednesday and the other guy that you're prepared to kill him...?

I'm testing waters. their interactions were so weird

[Smithereens]

Weird in the sense that town don't do weird things? Or weird in another way?

[Smithereens]

Imo scum are generally greedy capitalistic pigs who jump like jews at the sign of profit. The 'slip' was clearly a situation that could be capitalised on, ergo the push. I don't read anything more than what it is, and it's clearly in jest.

[Frozen Angel]

wierd in the way she is dodging all the questions about her read ...

At this point in my view she is just to scummy to be scum ...

[Ranger]

Masons aren't in the setup.

...So?

Doesn't stop me from saying that anyway. :P

And yeah, if it's a slip it's a classic.

Or, you know.

I was stating a half-joke.
Because you know.
I'm townreading Wednesday above all others.
Wednesday is townreading me above all others.
Davesaz noted the connection.
And masons are a role that do that.

The only time I wouldn't say that is in a setup I knew masons actually existed. (Because the average mason intelligence is firmly in idiot zone and they would take my post seriously and counter-claim the obvious joke.)

[Frozen Angel]

I'm townreading Wednesday above all others.

Why?

[Ranger]

VOTE: Ranger

Interesting.

This is scum opportunism at its finest, btw.

If both of you were joking, it was a stupid joke. We have to lynch one of you to find out. Since Ranger also claimed Miller, she's the best choice. If she flips green, you get read on your own merits going forward.

Or, you know, we could skip the part where we lynch town, then go, "oh, guess that means the other's scum, let's lynch them" and lynch a

second

town, too.

Which is totally what will happen the moment you lynch me, since I'm the main defender of Wednesday.

And instead. Lynch Almost50, where we actually had

momentum

building, before you decided to go all stupid on us and take a

very obvious joke

at face value.

Seriously, do you think I would claim mason, under no pressure, with it being a serious claim, on D1? Who DOES that? It was a joke. The "duh" at the end should have said as much.

If someone refers to me as their mason partner and I'm not, I don't care if I think it was intended as a joke - I wouldn't go along with it.

You can be forgiven because you weren't in Blitz 2.

The

only

acceptable action when someone claims they're your mason buddy and you aren't is to accept it. Town, scum, doesn't matter. Joke, gambit, it doesn't matter.

How do you know that, since you're not masons?

Oh, I don't know, maybe Wednesday actually

read my posts

and didn't assign some superficial arbitrary scum definition off of a "slip" that was not serious? Maybe Wednesday took a look at what I was trying to do with the requests and realized that I was looking to hone in on mafia? Maybe Wednesday took a look at my scumreads and realized that I not only had good scumreads but good reasons to back them up?

[Ranger]

Also consider that Ranger is one of the most serious players on here.

Since

when

?

I'm

notorious

for fluffing around back on my home site. Have to do SOMETHING when I'm not analyzing, after all.

And yeah I forgot about the miller claim.

...Which should have made it even more obvious that, yes, it was joke.

But if it was a joke, it STILL leaves unexplained the immediate strong townreads on each other.

Sure it does! It leaves unexplained the immediate townread entirely. Nope, not like I explained it or anything.

...Wait. (Also, 172. You know that I cannot be a Werewolf, and you know that Wednesday cannot be a Mafia Jailkeeper, and we're both unlikely to have drawn a second werewolf/mafia card.)

[Frozen Angel]

...Which should have made it even more obvious that, yes, it was joke.

lol?

miller was or wasn't your modifier ?

[Frozen Angel]

...Wait. (Also, 172. You know that I cannot be a Werewolf, and you know that Wednesday cannot be a Mafia Jailkeeper, and we're both unlikely to have drawn a second werewolf/mafia card.)

This is basically bullshit stop talking about probability. chances for having a second scum card is exactly the same for everyone else ...

so back to this whenever you were ready.

why should I town read wednesday?

[Ranger]

Didn't you join a lawless game in blitz?

Yes, because I've made it a personal goal to be in every Blitz game. I've been incredibly frustrated I've missed as many as I had. I also knew what I was getting into, a game with no town, thus, I knew that no matter what I could not be town.

But as my discard shows...I'm not a Werewolf, so I clearly hold at least SOME reason not to be that type of role.

Weak powers for the sake of being town don't seem like a choice up your alley

On the contrary, I am a frequent early nightkill as town.

A strong power would be better, yes, but if the price is being scum that's not a price worth paying.

How will that factor into your discard scumhunting?

It's actually given me a lot already.

[Frozen Angel]

But as my discard shows...I'm not a Werewolf, so I clearly hold at least SOME reason not to be that type of role.

Your discards show nothing

[Ranger]

Ranger never stated why is he scumreading baka.

Literally every post by Almost50 is claiming scum.

Imo scum are generally greedy capitalistic pigs who jump like jews at the sign of profit. The 'slip' was clearly a situation that could be capitalised on, ergo the push.

Exactly.

I feel Frozen Angel is sincere in her push. Misguided, but sincere. Lane is not as strongly so as Frozen Angel, but it does look like he is not being opportunistic.

In contrast, the most opportunistic vote on the wagon was RadiantCowbells.
Persivul started the wagon and is a strong pusher of it, but unlike Frozen Angel, he does not give off sincerity vibes. However, in his favor, he does not give off the same opportunism vibes that RadiantCowbells did.
Jackal takes a hit reads-wise because of his excuse, since this is

very

much like my town game and he should recognize it. Last game I tried to break the game with the massclaim idea. This game, I've managed to almost do the same. The only difference is, that game I had trouble getting reads; this game I did not.

Why?

Because Wednesday is my mason partner, duh.

:P

[Ranger]

miller was or wasn't your modifier ?

It is. But why would I claim mason-miller?
Let's assume I was seriously claiming. Claiming mason would confirm me if that role were possible. Why claim the miller modifier, then? It's redundant. I could just say I was a mason and be done with it. This applies regardless of truth or deceit behind the mason claim. If I were seriously claiming mason, I would not need to claim miller: no cop would investigate me. Town, scum, doesn't matter. Cop would see it as a wasted night action. Or, if they received a scum result, would think something was up--doubt their sanity, think of redirections, similar things like that. They would not assume I was a miller-mason, they would not assume I was a miller fakeclaiming mason, they would not assume I was scum fakeclaiming mason.

So again: why claim miller when planning to claim mason seriously?
It makes no logical sense, because it's not what would happen.

Now think what happens after having claimed the miller modifier. Then when people read the mason claim, they're going to remember I claimed miller earlier. Claiming miller was obviously serious. Suddenly, I claim mason, openly, when masons

are a role you should keep secret

(see also: Mafiaception where the masons never even had to claim!), and the first thought in any RATIONAL mind should be, "mason joke. Okay. Move on. Ask for real reasoning."

why should I town read wednesday?

Wednesday, immediately out of the gate, produced strong reads in 67. It takes a lister to know a lister. I do listing. I know how it works and when it's town and when it's not. Wednesday's listing was immediately obvious to me: townreading me for all the effort I put into one post, townreading Smithereens's entrance which I did too, lots of reads I understood...in fact, every read there that was an actual read, I agreed with: Persivul trying to blend in was something I noticed and thought him scum for, with all the townreads Wednesday listed being townreads of my own, too.

[Persivul]

If both of you were joking, it was a stupid joke. We have to lynch one of you to find out. Since Ranger also claimed Miller, she's the best choice. If she flips green, you get read on your own merits going forward.

Or, you know, we could skip the part where we lynch town, then go, "oh, guess that means the other's scum, let's lynch them" and lynch a

second

town, too.

Which is totally what will happen the moment you lynch me, since I'm the main defender of Wednesday.

I disagree. If one of you flips green, then as I said, the other will be read on their own merits. Why would we lynch Wednesday right after his main defender flipped green? That makes no sense.

And instead. Lynch Almost50, where we actually had

momentum

building, before you decided to go all stupid on us and take a

very obvious joke

at face value.

Seriously, do you think I would claim mason, under no pressure, with it being a serious claim, on D1? Who DOES that? It was a joke. The "duh" at the end should have said as much.

"Duh" isn't very obviously a joke. "Just kidding" is very obviously a joke. "Duh" could easily be a means to test the waters seriously while maintaining some level of deniability.

And if you're lynched and flipped green, Almost50 would be my next push, not Wednesday.

The

only

acceptable action when someone claims they're your mason buddy and you aren't is to accept it. Town, scum, doesn't matter. Joke, gambit, it doesn't matter.

1. Why?

2. Why particularly if it was a joke?

How do you know that, since you're not masons?

Oh, I don't know, maybe Wednesday actually

read my posts

and didn't assign some superficial arbitrary scum definition off of a "slip" that was not serious? Maybe Wednesday took a look at what I was trying to do with the requests and realized that I was looking to hone in on mafia? Maybe Wednesday took a look at my scumreads and realized that I not only had good scumreads but good reasons to back them up?[/quote]
Now you're answering for him.

[Ranger]

{Smithereens, Wednesday, Frozen Angel}
{Flubbernugget, davesaz}
{BlackStar, lane0168}
{Jackal711}
{Persivul, Starbuck, RadiantCowbells}
{Almost50}

Up-to-date list; RC moved down a tier.

[Persivul]

Since when?

I'm notorious for fluffing around back

on my home site

. Have to do SOMETHING when I'm not analyzing, after all.

By referring to your home site I take it you're admitting that you don't joke around here?

I've played with you more than once and ISOd a recent game. You're a very serious player.

[Persivul]

Wednesday, immediately out of the gate, produced strong reads in 67. It takes a lister to know a lister. I do listing. I know how it works and when it's town and when it's not. Wednesday's listing was immediately obvious to me: townreading me for all the effort I put into one post,

Except that's not true. You put very little into the one post - 56 - you had made before Wednesday's list in 67, and Wednesday said the read was based on the miller claim, not on the effort you put into the post.

[Persivul]

Imo scum are generally greedy capitalistic pigs who jump like jews at the sign of profit.

Unacceptable racial/ethnic slur.