Blitz 16: Blitz Greatest Idea Mafia(GAME OVER)

[Frozen Angel]

about modifier calim

modifier has no relations to our roles. they all assigned randomly. practically a miller mason is the best cover for mafia! but I'm not scumeading you for your modifier claim. I'm more concerned about the way you two started town reading each other so hard and joked about it by claiming mason .

Wednsday first read on you was about the miller claim - which she found pretty much townish which is absurd. "Modifiers have no relation to our roles" .

Your slots had no interactions or anything but suddenly started town reading each other so hard.

[Smithereens]

It needed the alliteration lol. If there are any jews here that dislike it I'll retract and apologise

[Persivul]

Hmm it might be better to vote Wednesday here. If we're wrong, Wednesday could just be trying to set himself for the "see! I told you he was town you idiots" whIle still being scum.

After Ranger's reaction (not great but better than Wednesday's) I agree. I'm not sure if the mason claims were serious or a joke, and Wednesday is scummier on his own merits.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Wednesday

[Smithereens]

If I were scum Frozen, the last thing I'd do is draw a blatantly fallacious town read on my scum mate and then pull of stupid jokes to draw even more attention.. I don't think they're too dissimilar to me.

[Frozen Angel]

So your agreed that intraction was too scummy to be considered its done by scum ...

[Frozen Angel]

That means their stupid towns? our their trying to show themself bad to avoid the lynch?

[Frozen Angel]

sorry for the stupid word I meant *bad player*

[Ranger]

I disagree. If one of you flips green, then as I said,

the other will be read on their own merits

. Why would we lynch Wednesday right after his main defender flipped green? That makes no sense.

The bolded is why Wednesday would be lynched. Because you wouldn't take into account that,

maybe

, I knew what I was doing and so did Wednesday and we were both town who just so HAPPENED to get an instant townread on each other because, sometimes, players just click.

"Duh" isn't very obviously a joke. "Just kidding" is very obviously a joke.

Duh is in my vernacular. I'd tell you to site search it, but apparently three-letter words are too short to find. It doesn't happen every game. But it happens. I say "duh". It is always 100% of the time something not used formally, because, and I quote google,

exclamation informal
used to comment on an action perceived as foolish or stupid, or a statement perceived as obvious.

"Just kidding" is not in my vernacular.
I could have said "clearly". I could have said "obviously". Both would have conveyed the same tone: one definitely not meant to be taken seriously.

1. Why?

2. Why particularly if it was a joke?

Because it is a matter of trust. If they trust you to the point where they will call you their mason partner,

even as a joke

, that means they are townreading you. You do not out the joke. You do not out the potential-gambit. In either case, you play along, to see what reactions it garners.

Now you're answering for him.

Am I now?

85 (and followthrough, 105), 256, 259, and 347 all lay the groundwork out for the obvious.

There's probably more, too; these are just the strongest.

[Smithereens]

Yes Frozen, I mean to imply that it was in fact a joke, and that they never saw this response coming..

[Smithereens]

This game is quickly devolving into semantics. Pls stop? o.o

[Frozen Angel]

Yes Frozen, I mean to imply that it was in fact a joke, and that they never saw this response coming..

I'm not talking about the mason claim. I'm talking about the whole panicking - defensive reactions of wednsday

[Ranger]

By referring to your home site I take it you're admitting that you don't joke around here?

That is a misrep and you know it.

I'm NOTORIOUS on my home site for doing it.

That doesn't mean I don't do it here, it just means I'm not notorious for it here, because simply put I'm not well-known enough to have any sort of notoriety.

You put very little into the one post

If you're town and seriously think that one post was little effort you can burn in hell.

The only way that post could have had more effort is if I had

sacrificed my job

to get details: my picks, along with reading the thread.

Which I then immediately did once I came back.

Wednesday said the read was based on the miller claim, not on the effort you put into the post.

Alright.
This one you can call me putting words into Wednesday's mouth a bit.
But have you considered that, perhaps, the reason for the townread behind the miller claim was the WAY in which I claimed miller?

Compare Wednesday's read on you to Wednesday's read on me.
We both claimed a miller-type role.
The difference is, I did so immediately, whereas you tried to hide yours.

[Frozen Angel]

The difference is, I did so immediately, whereas you tried to hide yours.

The fuck?!

[Frozen Angel]

I tried to hide mine?!

[Smithereens]

Yes Frozen, I mean to imply that it was in fact a joke, and that they never saw this response coming..

I'm not talking about the mason claim. I'm talking about the whole panicking - defensive reactions of wednsday

His reactions read quite strongly as distaste for being misunderstood. Both townies and scummies react badly to being misinterpreted in a way that puts them on the chopping block.

[Smithereens]

Frozen hnny are you all good? O.o

[Almost50]

UM.. I hate to interrupt your extremely entertaining duels, but -as it is- it looks like we're going to spend the rest of the day inspecting Wednesday/Ranger then decide we need a lynch so we will have a random draw on someone else who will probably flip town as well.

I suggest we move on to inspecting someone else, and I don't mind that being me. The thing about Ranger/Wednesday will resolve itself automatically during the night (unless we have no Tracker, no Watcher, no Role Cop, .. etc.)

The way I see it (and I can't stress enough that this is highly dependent on an UNVERIFIED ASSUMPTION) that Wednesday IS indeed town. She knows Ranger to be town (how? I don't know. But she does).

I have no read on Ranger myself, but if we assume the above to be true I have no choice but to accept Wednesday's rule on Ranger to be town-aligned for now. (@FA: Remember the Firefly themed game?? I'm not sure that this is the case, but I'm just saying)

Contrary to what some believe; I read RC as town. One word posts, voting almost everybody, drawing everybody's attention are some traits of his town play; judging by the one and only game I played with him so far.

Persivul jumped up a few notched. He looks like he's doing his homework alright. What worries me is the 50-50 chance that his duel vs Ranger could be scum vs town just as much as it could be town vs town.

That -in a nutshell- is how I see the whole picture of this incident.

Oh, and before a certain someone starts pushing for it, my modifier does NOT affect investigation results, so -unless we have a framer, which I think does NOT exist in this setup- I should be cleared by all sorts of cops/investigators. So there...

[Frozen Angel]

I didn't claimed a miller you j...

I claimed watchlisted . Its completly different from a miller claim. Completely on another level.

And you need to explain this right now. What implied I tried to hide mine? I got my modifier in a second massage from mod. I posted my RVS first. then I opened my massage box and I saw that. and i confessed it immediately.

W8ing for your support of accusations

pedit : Wednesday defended someone else and panicked about Someone else .... I asked specifically if there is anything relating them and she declined to answer. And I'm fine thx

pedit : there is no mason rule here baka

[Ranger]

I tried to hide mine?!

Take a break, honey.

I mean it.
Take a break.
Breathe.

Come back when you can read who I'm talking to.

Persivul claimed he had a modifier not in his first post (8), but his second: 12.
He then did not claim what the modifier was until his next post, 27, after pressure.

In contrast, I claimed mine in my first post, 56.

[Almost50]

pedit : there is no mason rule here baka

Not masons.. the day investigator thing

[Frozen Angel]

pedit : there is no mason rule here baka

Not masons.. the day investigator thing

no "day" modifier claim.

its not the case.

[Almost50]

If not, then I have no idea how they're so positively sure of eachother's alignment. Let me try to verify something (I doubt I'd get a satisfactory response though)

@Wednesday & RC: Is Wednesday whom I think she is? Because the thing that went between you too earlier in this game, and the overall posting style rings bells, and THAT is what I'm basing my town read of Wednesday upon.

Wednesday; if you are whom I'm referring to, then you know what I'm talking about. RC should easily understand my question anyway.

[Frozen Angel]

oO ha?

[Smithereens]

Lol, is the cryptic speech really necessary?

[Almost50]

Nevermind. I've decided it's best to assume she's not unless either of them confirms she is. This way I can play mafia w/o relying much on their meta.

Now, Frozen, you did ask about my reads and I responded to your request. However, I need yours too. Also, please do mention the players you've played with before and think you know how to read them vs those whom you don't use meta analysis for.

Another thing: How do you analyze/perceive the modifier claims done so far? Are you inclined to believe them all? Some over some? Or what??