Blitz 19 | Fire and Ice with Rooms | Endgame

[Ranger]

Shadow votes: Lane

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[Ranger]

{PhantomCobalt}
{Politcal Clout, rkvothe}
{hiplop}
{Flubbernugget, TheShadow}
{Firebringer}
{pignash}
{starfromtheheart}
{Scorpious}
{itlepip}
{lane}

For reference: this is everyone moving up on the list, not anyone moving down.

[Ranger]

Actually, I feel comfortable enough saying this:
{PhantomCobalt}
{Politcal Clout, rkvothe}
{hiplop, Flubbernugget, TheShadow}
{Firebringer}
{pignash}
{starfromtheheart}
{Scorpious}
{itlepip}
{lane}

[itlepip]

Lane OMGUSes (votes) Ranger

Seriously you need to post a case of some sort before you start manipulating other people's votes.

A readlist this early is exactly why Phantom has been scummy so far, but no his lol you are scum posts are town in your eyes.

Pedit: oh no you moved someone in your random readlist with no evidence.

[Ranger]

Oh, that reminds me.
Lane

probably

wouldn't proxy his vote to his scumbuddy, so he and itlepip are most likely scum of different factions.

They're both fairly decent scumreads, of course.

[itlepip]

Oh, that reminds me.
Lane

probably

wouldn't proxy his vote to his scumbuddy, so he and itlepip are most likely scum of different factions.

They're both fairly decent scumreads, of course.

Explain both of those reads. We are 5 pages in, even Phantom isn't a 'decent scumread', both you and phantom are acting like we are 100 more pages in than we are. Actually explain the placing of each person on your really awful readlist.

[Ranger]

We are 5 pages in, even Phantom isn't a 'decent scumread', both you and phantom are acting like we are 100 more pages in than we are.

The reads are all immediately obvious. lane is behaving like scum, and is probably scum with startfromtheheart. Your posting isn't quite as bad, but you're my second-strongest scumread, with Scorpious as my current guess for your scumbuddy.

[itlepip]

We are 5 pages in, even Phantom isn't a 'decent scumread', both you and phantom are acting like we are 100 more pages in than we are.

The reads are all immediately obvious. lane is behaving like scum, and is probably scum with startfromtheheart. Your posting isn't quite as bad, but you're my second-strongest scumread, with Scorpious as my current guess for your scumbuddy.

Give evidence for any of your reads, like any one of them, at all, whatsoever.

[Ranger]

If enough people vote in this manner, those players will gain a temporary post restriction that they may not talk to or about each other in public for 48 hours or the rest of the day phase (whichever is shorter). While restricted in this manner, they may continue to vote and unvote each other normally, including room votes and proxying.

Oh, looks like I misunderstood the rules. It's not 48 hours of silence, it's just 48 hours of being unable to say PhantomCobalt and Flubbernugget, then.

VOTE: Go get a room: PhantomCobalt, Flubbernugget, Ranger.

[Ranger]

Give evidence for any of your reads, like any one of them, at all, whatsoever.

Okay!

I can read RVS posting. ;)

[Firebringer]

Actually, I feel comfortable enough saying this:
{PhantomCobalt}
{Politcal Clout, rkvothe}
{hiplop, Flubbernugget, TheShadow}
{Firebringer}
{pignash}
{starfromtheheart}
{Scorpious}
{itlepip}
{lane}

Fire should be higher in this list yo.
Ranger, where is the trust?

[Flubbernugget]

really ranger

ive never had such a slow game drive me so far up a fucking wall

[Political Clout]

I find a lack of interest about getting out of RVS from: {Phantom, lane, startfromtheheart}

Unlike Political, I think at least 1 scum posted, and it can be found in the list I just did.

Gross. It becomes hurl worthy when you voted yourself. Especially when you are towards the bottom of page 1.

What don't you like about the self vote?

Are you telling me you do like it? I suspect I know what you're doing. I wonder if I'm doing this right. Why do you like a rvs vote from someone who on page two or three was guise come on we're out of rvs giving zero indication that he was out of rvs and that he was gonna scum read everyone who stayed in rvs mode. Hence the posts that say we're out of rvs now or the like are most likely town imo. I don't think he's scum for it. In fact I think I might have to defend him from being lynched. My main point of interest shadow has kept true to their name and is staying there. I think the trap we are running into is maybe not realizing that lanes effort to sort phantom is genuine. I am seriously bugged by the unless post. Like phantom is scum unless. Hiplop not sure I can see them being scum trying to chummy up to ranger.

I've read this post several times and I'm struggling or understand it

In my experience self votes are not alignment indicative

I disagree. Unless done intentionally and not spur of the moment. i.e. part of someones playstyle to claim scum everygame or self vote and bring attention to self and hunt off their own wagon.

For clarification my dislike of the self vote was his criticism of others rvs posts. I did not see a change in state of mind it just sort of happened off thread. While notice may have been nice it wasn't inherently necessary. My perception was that he self voted and that stayed in my mind as the most recent thing he did so when rkvothe criticized I was full hello?

[Political Clout]

I like this wagon a lot

VOTE: Phantom

this is a shit vote

yeah right, first off what I know of Phantom is that he completely folds under pressure. In this game so far he has decided to ignore the huge wagon on himself, but as soon as he does I should be able to read him. So from that alone the vote makes sense, but besides that his early game has been horrible. The entire thing is that Phantom knows that reads are towny, so he makes up reads regardless of any reason. I refuse to believe that anyone can actually read RVS at all, and we are at the point that where joke reads are no longer appropriate.

Town is flub and pignash

Lane and ranger are scum

I'm town, guys

You are indeed

I'm also town, guys

Stop lying

@Phantom, I'd like your explanation on your townreads even if my vote's not on you.

The entranches are either genuine or not genuine

Flubber if you want to hear my reads you better join our room boiiii

All of these posts are completely pulled from Phantom's ass.

It looks like you and ranger will not get along. Of course no evidence to back that up yet. Mostly based off of the rvs read thing.

Just to get this straight. You are saying phantom cobalt is NULL and a good way to read him is based off of his response to pressure, but don't provide proof of this? (This is me asking for proof btw) And that is the reason why your vote is decent (and if that isn't enough here is this other reason) but also his slot is vote worthy because his posts are falsehood and YOU KNOW that PHANTOM KNOWS that throwing out townreads gets people town read? And you think phantom has just been joking/shitposting?

I would also like to see where he makes up reads in other games you've played with him.

There is so much going on in that train of thought. You went from null reading him to giving him scum motivation to saying town shouldn't joke anymore implicitly calling him a town read.

I'm going to UNVOTE: as my satisfaction with my vote has diminished.

[itlepip]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=63478

[Political Clout]

Is there more or has an assumption from one game dictated your play? I'll take a look at it more in depth, but if we're calling people alignments based off of one game I'm gonna say phantom is town here. Posting style is different. There he is engaged and in sync with the thread here phantom is in his own world and doing whatever he wants. I don't fully understand why you couldn't do due diligence and post the exact posts where this (his knowing of putting out town reads makes people town read phantom) was found out. I'm not finding it. I still have phantom as not scum.

As a side note town reading people gives them a pass to just shitpost and fuck with your reads. That is probably what is happening with ranger the perception that they are being town read? unless they think they're entitled for some reason. Which they might be idk. I see no reason why ranger couldn't be civil and not respond with a straight face instead of smug arrogance. Or explainging why they were not going to respond as it looks like it is mostly a playstyle thing coming from either alignment. Also I had a thought and lost it. Give me a sec to see if it comes back to me.

[pignash]

Get a room: ranger, phantom cobalt, flubbernugget

I can get behind this.

Hiplop, why such a negative reaction to FB so far? Doesn't seem different than normal to me.

[itlepip]

No, I'm not saying his play is the same, I'm saying that he has poor reactions near l-1 and I should be able to use that to discern alignment. Like the fact that he is ignoring the wagon kinda proves my point but then Ranger decided to fuck with the game and make Phantom his highest town read for no fucking reason.

Holy shit pignash. As soon as ranger gets a wagon with phantom he no longer can explain that read as long as the room is alive. Absoluley no that should never happen to the extent that I will lynch someone who voted for that room.

[Flubbernugget]

Lynch while you can

[Flubbernugget]

*phantom

[Plotinus]

Official Vote Count 1.06

lynching

With 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to lynch.

lane0168

(L-3): PhantomCobalt, Ranger, hiplop, TheShadow,

PhantomCobalt

(L-4): startfromtheheart,

lane0168,

itlepip,

TheShadow

, Flubbernugget

hiplop

(L-5): Scorpious, Firebringer

Scorpious

(L-6): pignash

Ranger

(L-6): lane0168

startfromtheheart

(L-6):

Flubbernugget,

rkvothe

Political Clout

(L-7): hiplop

TheShadow

(L-7): Political Clout

Not voting

(1): Political Clout

get a room

It takes 2n-1 votes to get an n person room. (3 votes for a 2 person room, 5 votes for a 3 person room, ... , 13 votes for a 7 person room)

Flubbernugget, PhantomCobalt, Ranger

(R-1): PhantomCobalt, TheShadow, Ranger, pignash

Not voting

(9): flubbernugget, hiplop, itlepip, lane0168,

pignash

, Political Clout,

Ranger

, rkvothe, Scorpious, startfromtheheart,

TheShadow

, TheTinyPeach

People eligible for rooms

(13): flubbernugget, hiplop, itlepip, lane0168, PhantomCobalt, pignash, Political Clout, Ranger, rkvothe, Scorpious, startfromtheheart, TheShadow, TheTinyPeach

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[itlepip]

Hey RC you are voting for town, go to Phantom.

[RadiantCowbells]

GaR:

RC & Ranger

Liked you in Blitz 17.

So much reading, wow!

[RadiantCowbells]

Pls don't be a super ebil manipulative mafia lord like Postie, and if you have to at least get crosskilled please.

I read now.