In post 477, talah wrote:The other side of it is that I'll tend to trust RC's read on you if I get to thinking they're town, and may well sheep if it comes down to it (which it well might in a Blitz game).
What does "useful in the bad sense" mean, exactly?
RC doesn't know how to read me. The only recent game he has with me is one that I was barely playing in because I was sick and his read was based primarily on my hydra partner's posting. Talk to wisdom, hippyloppy, and KT who have all been scum together with me recently instead. They are almost certainly not all scum.
Useful in the bad sense means "scum trying to be useful", the kind of "look at me I am a town aligned player who can win with the town who is usefully moving the game along" posting that is more likely to come from scum than not.
talah wrote:
I don't understand this logic as an excuse to not flesh out reads that you're throwing out there in the first place.
I am looking for a very specific thing from Phantom in response to my claiming to townread him and 3 people have spent 6 pages demanding that I say what that specific thing is instead of letting me do my own thing. There is no good reason not to give me space to do my own thing on day 1. If you don't know how to read someone, you give them space until you can see whether the bulk of their in thread actions are benefitting town wincon or scum wincon which is not going to become apparent on day 1.
talah wrote:If there's nothing else to a read than what you've already said, you say that and drop it, not engage in wally posting which does nothing to clarify your position. IMHO.
There is more to the read than what I've said. I will say it when I want to. I cannot control the format of my posts.
talah wrote:Are you addressing me specifically here? Because you started with "Can we all agree..." and finished with "I don't believe your positions are genuine".
Whining about the the thread is kind of pointless wouldn't you agree?
Also you've asked at least two other players in your list above to give a read with a reason so...
you specifically but also the other people that have been doing it.
I'm not whining.
I've asked at least two other players to give a read with a reason and you don't know where I'm going with that, how I will interpret a refusal to give a read, how I will interpret a read, how I will interpret Phantom's failure to follow directions (he gave a reason but it's one I gave previously, not one of his own). And,
once again
you see two players trying to sort each other and you butt in and demand to know what the right answer to the test is before the other player has a chance to respond and that's scummy.
talah wrote:
Like I said, wagons are good and the fact that the major wagon of today was my own doesn't exclude me from analysing it, especially when I'm in the fortunate position of knowing exactly what alignment the wagon was on.
Sure, but that's all you've done. I'm asking you to do something else in addition to that.
talah wrote:I'm not sure if you even voted me (I vaguely remember I think Ether unvoting me(?)) but you've certainly been sniffing around and you have direct experience with me-town now so you should be able to come to the table with something more coherent than what you have.
Ether never voted you. I voted you, Ether asked if she could unvote because the L-1 was too soon and she wasn't scumreading you, I said sure and asked if she wanted to vote somebody else instead, she said not yet and unvoted. I'm not sniffing around. I'm scumreading you. I'm also not trying to lynch you yet because I want to spend some more time with day 1 and because I respect my hydra partner's reads.
I have direct experience with youtown in a game that I was too sick to read the thread and whenever I tried I couldn't understand all the words and I had these very brief moments of almostclarity where I could sort of muddle together a post but I was understanding very little of what I was reading and you showed me how much I was misreading (And it really was misreading, not misrepping) and I cried in real life because I'd done my best and it wasn't good enough and trying to think was like trying to light a fire with wet matches.
I was actually downplaying how sick I was in that game by quite a bit, even hiding it from my girlfriend like a cat that doesn't want to be taken to the vet. I'm getting better though.
So I don't remember much about that game, I thought you seemed townish when I was paying attention but I knew your alignment already there.
talah wrote:So I have several scum-tickles coming from your direction and am not really inclined to think better of it when you've just posted another bunch of words at me which sort of loop around themselves and don't address my basic problem which is - why did you think I was scum based on that initial interaction with Wisdom?
Scumreading me for my communication style is bad because it's something I cannot help.
I had no idea that's what your basic problem was. My basic problem was that you got in between two players who were trying to sort each other instead of letting them sort each other. You did it with Wisdom and Sakura. You did it with me and Phantom. You're kinda doing it with me and RC too.
This is the third time I'm being asked this question and I'm just going to quote where I answered it the first time:
In post 82, Scatterplot wrote:mostly sheeping hiplop. I felt it was weird the way that
talah acknowledges that wisdom is probably reaction testing sakura but then needs an explanation RIGHT NOW before sakura even has time to respond to wisdom's vote
. If he thought the rvs naked vote was for reactions, which is a reasonable assumption, and he thought the purpose was to get reactions from sakura, then
why was he getting in the way of that
?
i have dinner on the stove.
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