Mini 1749: Classic Rock Mafia: Game Over!

[Aeronaut]

Because I feel like he's town right now

Granted I'm gonna look at everyone before I do anything, because now there's like way more variables

[AlwaysInnocent]

If you think I'm scum, you have not been reading carefully enough.

If it's not Dierfire (I still think he is the one), then it must be Aj.

[Dierfire]

@Aj

Where's your read on AlwaysInnocent right now?

[RadiantCowbells]

Davesaz has been prodded.

[davesaz]

I'm back from the mountain but walking on snow took more out of me than expected.

[Aj The Epic]

@Aj

Where's your read on AlwaysInnocent right now?

Still sitting around scum, but not as high as you. The reason it's lower is there's a lot of posting that could simply be him getting cold feet and being indecisive as opposed to scum.

[Garmr]

This game has dropped to a snails pace ever since me and frozen stopped posting that much. Lift your game up peps.

[davesaz]

VCA gives me either Dierfire is scum (evidence being his wagon could not be used to save scum ABR or scum Firebringer) or AlwaysInnocent (evidence being pattern of vote parking Dierfire and being unwilling to abandon that seemingly for any reason). I did that strictly off the official votecounts so there could have been an AI vote change that changed back before the next VC, skimming in this way would not pick that up.

[RadiantCowbells]

FA on V/LA so no pokes.

[AlwaysInnocent]

Let's lynch Dierfire, the remaining scum.

[Aj The Epic]

There is a higher likelihood of it being Dier. We're ignoring a lot of what happened D1, where he pulled a town read on Aero for nothing at all. In 91 he allows himself a lot of 'to-be' scum reads but oddly not even one of our scum was mentioned. In later days, he's had bullshit moments of sheeping (aka on gamr when gamr was having an issue getting my arguments in order)

@AlwaysInnocent
I'm just about out of patience with this. Why is your vote always on Town wagons and never on Mafia wagons? Do I need to rethink my read on you?

This feels like a scum claim. The thing with AI is his reads now have picked 1 for 4, and he's been on neither of the inevitable scum lynches. I would definitely expect him to have been on FB's wagon since he had his own vocal displeasure if he was scum just for conformity sake. FB and ABR both were inevitiable in their own ways so not only is Dier making something out of nothing,

Oddly enough, Dier doubts the fact that ABR's aesthetic could be scum (asking Aero to explain) but votes ABR in the same breath anyways.

The POE in 1378:

@Davesaz

Unless Aj and AlwaysInnocent are both Mafia, at least one of the players on Firebringer's wagon should have been Mafia. Which one looked most suspicious to you?

Isn't helpful in the least. It's almost asking for an excuse for another sheep vote. there's a much higher chance that Dier is scum over AI.

[AlwaysInnocent]

It has become obvious to me now. Dierfire is the remaining scum.

Aeronaut

, was largely responsible for Albert B.'s lynch.

FA

, was largely responsible for lynching Firebringer and hammering Albert B. (when I was being skeptical about his lynch, until I realized the logic of him being scum due to the claimed role).

Garmr

, claimed 1-Shot Bulletproof Bodyguard. It makes sense that he protected Aeronaut. Why waste a NK when the scum could really use it?

Davesaz

, claimed Miller. This seems authentic. Albert B. first questioned it, then believed it. It is unlikely that two scum would claim a similar role.

Aj

, not as sure about him as the rest, but I was townreading Radja and I like Aj's reasoning. From his perspective, it has to be either Dierfire or me, just as I have Dierfire or him. We both prefer Dierfire.

Dierfire

, bussed his partners when it was convenient, but was never seriously scumreading them before. Highly opportunistic. He is very quiet at the moment, too. Only asks people suggestive questions.

[AlwaysInnocent]

Never mind. Aj cannot be scum. So he is green as everyone else. Albert B. tried to get him lynched early-D1. He was genuinely frustrated with Radja. It was not an act.

There is no doubt about it. The game has been solved.

GG.

[Frozen Angel]

I need to reread this so I won't make haste to vote

I don't have time for that (so why am I posted this? hmmm -- no Idea! -- just posting something in my all games.

[RadiantCowbells]

VC here if I can't get next pagetop.

Aeronaut has been prodded.

[Dierfire]

None of my neighbor friends are helping me with my reads. We can have the conversation out here if that would be easier.

[davesaz]

Why do you need neighbor help?

[Aj The Epic]

Appealing to a hood when you're suspect #1 is manipulative. There's no need to try and bar off the game from the conversation right now.

[davesaz]

Either AI is town and solved it, or scum and trying too hard to lynch Dier. (Actually there is a 3rd possibility that he's town and wrong, but I'm an optimist)
So I'm pretty sold on lynch Dier, and look really hard at AI if game isn't over.
Though I have to say that if AI is scum, marking everyone else off as green isn't the best move.

[Aeronaut]

Sorry will be back to this tonight

[AlwaysInnocent]

Either AI is town and solved it, or scum and trying too hard to lynch Dier. (Actually there is a 3rd possibility that he's town and wrong, but I'm an optimist)
So I'm pretty sold on lynch Dier, and look really hard at AI if game isn't over.
Though I have to say that if AI is scum, marking everyone else off as green isn't the best move.

Sure, I could be wrong. In theory. However, I currently cannot see anyone other than Dierfire being the remaining scum. Everything points in his direction by PoE.

[AlwaysInnocent]

I know I have not been the best town player in this game.

On D1, I lynched Mathilda (even though I preferred Dierfire even then). She was town.
On D2, I was having doubts whether Firebringer was scum. Being wrong before makes one think twice about their actions. I was frustrated with FA for hammering too early, but only after she had already hammered. If I were scum, then that would be non-sensical, since I would have known Firebringer would flip scum and therefore I would have preferred to shut up about it.
On D3, I was hesitant to lynch Albert B. because of role setup. I townread him initially, but once I started to think a little harder about it, I realized Aeronaut, FA, etc. were right about Albert B. He had to be scum. So I went along with it.

If not Dierfire, who else could be the remaining scum? Me? Nope. I am town. Anyone else? I doubt it.

[RadiantCowbells]

Going to risk getting QQed at and take that PAGETOP!!!

[RadiantCowbells]

Going to risk getting QQed at and take that PAGETOP!!!

[RadiantCowbells]

Going to risk getting QQed at and take that PAGETOP!!!