Newbie 1671 - Game Over (Scum win)

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #925 (ISO) » Mon Jan 25, 2016 10:06 am

Hey Camn, what's with your obsession over roleblockers anyway?

KuroiXHF · Post Post #926 (ISO) » Mon Jan 25, 2016 10:10 am

In post 913, tictac wrote:
In post 904, KuroiXHF wrote:I'm reluctant to push pignash in light of Camn's play.

...but my vote's on him, and I did say that my iso of him is coming. I am sorry it's taking longer than I'd like, but it's coming.

If you are town then pig is scum. This is 100% certainty.
The game would be over otherwise.

I wouldn't say 100%. Like I've said before, I don't think mafia could coordinate their efforts in such a way.

Ehhh, you're right, though. While it's not 100%, I'm sure it's still very high that something would have happened. Sorry RC, but I'm taking that back. I'm very much looking forward to a camn lynch and if I'm alive tomorrow, I'll be pushing for that. For right now, however, I should stick to pignash.

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #927 (ISO) » Mon Jan 25, 2016 10:11 am

Camn is clearly either maf who knows that they have a roleblocker or doctor.

I'm going to go ahead and out that and ask her to hardclaim now.

KuroiXHF · Post Post #928 (ISO) » Mon Jan 25, 2016 10:13 am

In post 900, RadiantCowbells wrote:KUROI.

That was not intentional. mb. got used to the designated misspelling.

It's alright. I thought you were screwing with me before. I was laughing to myself, then you kept doing it. But again, it's all good.

tictac · Post Post #929 (ISO) » Mon Jan 25, 2016 10:25 am

In post 926, KuroiXHF wrote:I wouldn't say 100%. Like I've said before, I don't think mafia could coordinate their efforts in such a way.

Yeah. I keep on not believing that you think that.

@RC You apparently buy this attitude. Why?

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #930 (ISO) » Mon Jan 25, 2016 10:29 am

Well.
Pignash greatly irritates me and I have no desire to lose to him as scum again when he never plays a game that deserves a win.
I think he's scummy AF in general as well.
I also think Camn is scum, near 100%. So it's not Pignash/Kuroi I don't think.
So it's not that I'm townreading Kuroi, it's that, well, only one of Pignash and Kuroi is scum and I'm leaning that it's Kuroi atm.

And voting at the top of the day is way more anti-town than scummy.
I also have to consider whether it's possible that you or Camn asked him to do it to enable a bus.

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #931 (ISO) » Mon Jan 25, 2016 10:32 am

I'm too exhausted for read and explanation given atm.

Can all 4 of you give as much of your thoughts on the gamestate as possible?

KuroiXHF · Post Post #932 (ISO) » Mon Jan 25, 2016 10:37 am

Behold... the ISO of Pignash that I promised!

Before I even start, I looked to find out how much he posted because I only saw one page. To be honest, I think that I posted more in this day phase alone, so yeah, he's not very active. However, what you'll find is that his earlier works are much more in depth. He put more in his beginning work. He even did an ISO of me:

309 He was pretty much liking a lot of what I said:

I like this. ASOIAF reference and a coherent thought about the game of mafia.

Like this. Poke at someone while they are talking to someone else. Thumbs up.

It's weird that you want people to be suspicious of you. I like that you are keeping an eye on Raskolnikov, that seems townie.

He was even pretty balanced, considering he didn't like EVERYTHING I said:

Fluff. Boo.

Like these less. Mostly seem like hanging out and buddying with people active in the thread instead of looking for scum to push on. But I also like to be nice and have fun and joke in these games. So this criticism is hypocritical and I won't put too much stock in it.

All in all, I liked 309.

314 Pignash basically slammed Franksa. However, he didn't pay attention to Franksa for the rest of the game. I have a feeling this could be creating distance.

449 Pignash had wanted to vote Sarg even then. So no, it's not just Day Two.

661 Pignash both accused tictac of buddying up to Plot and voted him.

701 This is one post that actually triggers me again. Referencing this quote (in reference to Sarg):

You seem like you are trying to set up a lynch on me tomorrow which I think is scummy.

The second clause of that sentence seems to be filler. (which I think is scummy.) Well if townies know they're town and mafia pretend to be town, it'd be obvious that someone wanting to get them lynched would be scummy. If everyone is or is pretending to be for the town's cause, they'd say the townie's goal would be hindered by a townie's death. So yeah, I don't like that statement. Seems like he's been claiming the obvious.
Here's another quote.

Sarg, your arguments don't make any sense and you haven't gotten any better than when I was scum reading you yesterday. I feel more strongly about tictac, but you are my second read and I wouldn't be surprised if you guys were scum together.[/post]
Back to what tictac has been saying. Pignash primarily suspected tictac but went for Sarg. Why? Because he knew he was one post away from that. It seems his excuse was that he suspected a tictac-sarg scum team. Obviously, that's not the case. However, I'm a little conflicted because Pignash HAD to know that, if he was scum, Sarg would flip innocent and implicate him.

716

I have been saying since yesterday that it was tictac.

First it had to be tictac. Then it had to be camn. Now it has to be me. Maybe next it has to be Jackal, amirite?

727

Obviously I was wrong about sarg. My scum read on you stems from my feeling that you were behind Rasks NK.

I'm pretty sure I was one of the Rask's greenest town-reads.

791
He scum-reads me for checking his meta.

KuroiXHF · Post Post #933 (ISO) » Mon Jan 25, 2016 10:39 am

In post 930, RadiantCowbells wrote:I also think Camn is scum, near 100%. So it's not Pignash/Kuroi I don't think.
So it's not that I'm townreading Kuroi, it's that, well, only one of Pignash and Kuroi is scum and I'm leaning that it's Kuroi atm.

Wait, what? You just said in your last post that you think I'm more town than Pignash. What changed your mind in that five minute interval?

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #934 (ISO) » Mon Jan 25, 2016 10:39 am

I wasn't thinking about the words.

I'm leaning that you're town over Pignash, yes.

I'm super exhausted yo.

KuroiXHF · Post Post #935 (ISO) » Mon Jan 25, 2016 10:40 am

In post 931, RadiantCowbells wrote:I'm too exhausted for read and explanation given atm.

Can all 4 of you give as much of your thoughts on the gamestate as possible?

Right now, the two scummiest people in this game is Pignash and Camn. I find tictac to be the towniest, and you're in the middle.

Preview-edit: OK.

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #936 (ISO) » Mon Jan 25, 2016 10:45 am

Nothing's happening for a while then till I see more out of Camn and her bff Pignash.

I'm going to nap.

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #937 (ISO) » Mon Jan 25, 2016 10:45 am

can I persuade you to give us 24 hours of extra time?

tictac · Post Post #938 (ISO) » Mon Jan 25, 2016 11:01 am

Order of events.

post 745: the vote
post 746: pig defends.
post 747: Frank points out this looks weird
post 748: Kuroi comments on the defence.

Does not unvote

post 749: I say I am fine with it, but Kuroi looks very sure of himself.
post 751: Kuroi responds to my post and unvotes.

If Kuroi unvoted in response to pigs defense, why not do it in post 748?
This is why I think he unvoted because I said he looks too certain and not because of the defense.

Also:

pig doesn't have meta for being more active as scum

. It doesn't make sense that Kuroi would unvote because he has.
Kuroi switched reasons for the unvote later to 'deeper' which is debatable too.

tictac · Post Post #939 (ISO) » Mon Jan 25, 2016 11:08 am

Oh, that was in response to RC saying early vote is more anti-town than scummy.

tictac · Post Post #940 (ISO) » Mon Jan 25, 2016 11:20 am

In post 931, RadiantCowbells wrote:I'm too exhausted for read and explanation given atm.

Can all 4 of you give as much of your thoughts on the gamestate as possible?

Well, I think my core thought is that there is a pretty good chance I'll wake up tomorrow having lost this. (thanks for that RC)
Now I am going to sleep. Good night.

KuroiXHF · Post Post #941 (ISO) » Mon Jan 25, 2016 11:38 am

In post 938, tictac wrote:Order of events.

post 745: the vote
post 746: pig defends.
post 747: Frank points out this looks weird
post 748: Kuroi comments on the defence.
Does not unvote

post 749: I say I am fine with it, but Kuroi looks very sure of himself.
post 751: Kuroi responds to my post and unvotes.

If Kuroi unvoted in response to pigs defense, why not do it in post 748?

I asked questions to both Pig and Franksa. I was trying to understand both of their logic. That's why I didn't unvote.

This is why I think he unvoted because I said he looks too certain and not because of the defense. And sure, I unvoted based on your explanation, but I wouldn't be too heart broken over pignash dying. I mean, my vote is on him now, isn't it?

Also:
pig doesn't have meta for being more active as scum
.

We discussed this. You happen to disagree, but you never responded to my point. I don't think you can/want to debate the depth of his posts, rather than his number of posts.

Jackal711 · Post Post #942 (ISO) » Mon Jan 25, 2016 12:03 pm

Locking the game while an issue is resolved where a major site rule has been broken.

I will modify deadline to add back in the lost time when game reopens.

For future reference, here's a current VC:

VOTE COUNT

camn (1) - RadiantCowbells
tictac (0) -
KuroiXHF (1) - pignash
RadiantCowbells (0) -
pignash (1) - KuroiXHF

Not Voting: camn, tictac

With 5 alive, it's 3 to lynch.

Day 3 deadline is paused per above. Will readjust to 4 days after the thread reopens, as there was exactly 4 days remaining as of this post

Jackal711 · Post Post #943 (ISO) » Mon Jan 25, 2016 4:34 pm

Game can continue.

Day 3's deadline will now be Saturday, January 30th at 7pm PST which is in (expired on 2016-01-30 19:00:00)

KuroiXHF · Post Post #944 (ISO) » Mon Jan 25, 2016 4:49 pm

Yay for game continuing! I apologize, as I was the reason that the game took a break. I didn't mean to cause such a stir.

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #945 (ISO) » Mon Jan 25, 2016 5:12 pm

Need to speak to Camn and Pignash before I continue.

Bite me.

pignash · Post Post #946 (ISO) » Mon Jan 25, 2016 5:16 pm

Oh cool personal attacks on my play from RC. That's great. So I didn't "deserve" to win the game when I let you run town into the ground on purpose?

Cool! I'm sorry I haven't been more active. I've spent the last hour reading the thread looking for something that hasn't already been said about Kuroi since I was asked to come up with my own reasons when clearly that hasn't worked all game (or most of my last few games honestly, why I got frustrated and said I wasn't good). I didn't find anything new, I think it's likely it's him and camn so I'm fine leaving my vote there and switching to camn if we need to consolidate.

Weekends have been busier than I had anticipated after the holidays. My son is also getting a lot more mobile and it's hard to post when I'm watching him. I enjoy reading the game and reading the people in it but I seem to have a problem generating enough "content" to stay alive as either alignment now that I am no longer new. Maybe I'll just make alts and play in newbies. It's just frustrating because I like this version of the game but my play style won't work here.

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #947 (ISO) » Mon Jan 25, 2016 5:21 pm

Lurking and not producing content is not a strategy I will ever respect, even if it beats me occasionally.

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #948 (ISO) » Mon Jan 25, 2016 5:24 pm

I don't mean to attack you as a person; I fully understand that you have your son to look after and life comes first.

I just have an issue with the fact that I feel Scum!Kuroi deserves the win a lot more than you do at the moment.

Plus I think that you're far more likely to be scum, so there's that.

pignash · Post Post #949 (ISO) » Mon Jan 25, 2016 5:28 pm

That's why you will lose to that strategy. I honestly am bad at walls and that's what constitutes content in the game on this site unless you are act belligerently and tunnel people.

And this isn't survivor, you're not picking who you think deserves to win, that's borderline playing against win condition unless you convince yourself that the person who deserves it less is scummiest.