Mini 1749: Classic Rock Mafia: Game Over!

Frozen Angel · Post Post #1600 (ISO) » Tue Jan 26, 2016 8:57 am

In post 1594, Dierfire wrote:I read your last post but I'm not exactly certain how you're reading most players. It sounds like you're still reading Garmr as Mafia but have decided to let him pass in agreement with my theory that his role will help us sort him if he's Town. I think that you came away with a Null read on Aj and a Town read on AlwaysInnocent. It is clear that you're reading Aero as Town.

Aero is semi confirmed town. AJ was null. there is nothing scummy or townie in the ISO.

but about Garmr you made a post in lylo - and you agreed with me about the possibility of that being a scum gambit - an your saying I can't think about the same method you offered there?

Garmr as bodyguard will probably die before we lynch a 3 person lylo or something ... I like to sort him later.

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #1601 (ISO) » Tue Jan 26, 2016 8:59 am

Don't post in this game if you're not in it.

Dierfire · Post Post #1602 (ISO) » Tue Jan 26, 2016 9:00 am

@AlwaysInnocent

That's not true either!
I'm explicitly reading Aero, Garmr, and you as Town. I'm even leaning Town on Davesaz pending his thoughts on that VCA.

@Frozen

I'm not saying that you can't agree with me about Garmr, no. In fact, I'm pleased that you do agree with me.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #1603 (ISO) » Tue Jan 26, 2016 9:05 am

Why are you townreading me, if you are town? If you are not scum either, then that would mean I have been pushing this whole game for town only. What have I done to deserve the honor of being town in your eyes?

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #1604 (ISO) » Tue Jan 26, 2016 9:06 am

Nah. Not completely true, I did push for Dwlee at some point, but is that all?

Dierfire · Post Post #1605 (ISO) » Tue Jan 26, 2016 9:07 am

I know, I actually considered lynching you solely on the basis that you were advancing the Mafia win condition better than the Mafia were!
The reason I decided against it, and the reason that I'm reading you as Town, is that your absurd show of confidence while being wrong about everything is hard to imagine coming from a Mafia player.

Dierfire · Post Post #1606 (ISO) » Tue Jan 26, 2016 9:09 am

I guess that if Aj is Mafia you did have on brief vote on a Mafia player from 60 to 198.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #1607 (ISO) » Tue Jan 26, 2016 9:09 am

I would like to believe that I was correct at some point about scum being in the pool {Mathilda, Dierfire, Dwlee}. But lynching in the wrong order is just devastating, no matter how right you were.

Dierfire · Post Post #1608 (ISO) » Tue Jan 26, 2016 9:12 am

It doesn't really help me if you always have a Mafia player as your secondary lynch, particularly when you actively refuse to move your vote.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #1609 (ISO) » Tue Jan 26, 2016 9:16 am

In post 1608, Dierfire wrote:It doesn't really help me if you always have a Mafia player as your secondary lynch, particularly when you actively refuse to move your vote.

Aj is not Mafia. Give it up.

Frozen Angel · Post Post #1610 (ISO) » Tue Jan 26, 2016 9:17 am

In post 1609, AlwaysInnocent wrote:
In post 1608, Dierfire wrote:It doesn't really help me if you always have a Mafia player as your secondary lynch, particularly when you actively refuse to move your vote.
Aj is not Mafia. Give it up.

why not ?

Frozen Angel · Post Post #1611 (ISO) » Tue Jan 26, 2016 9:19 am

In post 1582, AlwaysInnocent wrote:Aj replaced Radja. The interactions between Albert B. and Radja make them an unlikely scum team.

if this is your reason this is pretty bad

ABR suggested he was sheeping Radja himself ...

Dierfire · Post Post #1612 (ISO) » Tue Jan 26, 2016 9:20 am

@Aj

You'll forgive me for not following your lead, but you're treating every player other than me as clear, so I'm sort of reluctant to trust your impressions.

Frozen Angel · Post Post #1613 (ISO) » Tue Jan 26, 2016 9:20 am

Bussing ...

vocab mistake!

Frozen Angel · Post Post #1614 (ISO) » Tue Jan 26, 2016 9:20 am

In post 1612, Dierfire wrote:
@Aj

You'll forgive me for not following your lead, but you're treating every player other than me as clear, so I'm sort of reluctant to trust your impressions.

this is scummy as well. like you know he is town ...

Dierfire · Post Post #1615 (ISO) » Tue Jan 26, 2016 9:22 am

Was I unclear that I was reading him as Town?

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #1616 (ISO) » Tue Jan 26, 2016 9:24 am

In post 1611, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 1582, AlwaysInnocent wrote:Aj replaced Radja. The interactions between Albert B. and Radja make them an unlikely scum team.

if this is your reason this is pretty bad

ABR suggested he was sheeping Radja himself ...

So? Albert B. had been constantly trying to get Radja lynched. No way he was bussing him at that point. His frustration with Radja seemed genuine too.

Frozen Angel · Post Post #1617 (ISO) » Tue Jan 26, 2016 9:25 am

In post 1615, Dierfire wrote:Was I unclear that I was reading him as Town?

so why are you voting him

I'm completly confused and lost here

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #1618 (ISO) » Tue Jan 26, 2016 9:26 am

Hahaha.

Frozen Angel · Post Post #1619 (ISO) » Tue Jan 26, 2016 9:26 am

In post 1616, AlwaysInnocent wrote:
In post 1611, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 1582, AlwaysInnocent wrote:Aj replaced Radja. The interactions between Albert B. and Radja make them an unlikely scum team.

if this is your reason this is pretty bad

ABR suggested he was sheeping Radja himself ...
So? Albert B. had been constantly trying to get Radja lynched. No way he was bussing him at that point. His frustration with Radja seemed genuine too.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=64408

Dierfire · Post Post #1620 (ISO) » Tue Jan 26, 2016 9:26 am

Oh, I see the problem. I meant to address that comment to AlwaysInnocent. I added that quickly when I tried to post and saw that you'd posted ahead of me.

Frozen Angel · Post Post #1621 (ISO) » Tue Jan 26, 2016 9:26 am

Just read how he was bussing his partners ...

Frozen Angel · Post Post #1622 (ISO) » Tue Jan 26, 2016 9:28 am

In post 1620, Dierfire wrote:Oh, I see the problem. I meant to address that comment to AlwaysInnocent. I added that quickly when I tried to post and saw that you'd posted ahead of me.

ok

AI never posted between me and your last post of that. who are you town reading ? and who were you talking to?

Dierfire · Post Post #1623 (ISO) » Tue Jan 26, 2016 9:31 am

I was responding to 1609 by AlwaysInnocent. Usually when I'm responding directly to the post right above me in real time I don't specifically address that player by name.
You posted 1610 and 1611 while I was writing my response to AlwaysInnocent, so I went to add his name, but I made a mistake and put Aj in by accident.

AlwaysInnocent · Post Post #1624 (ISO) » Tue Jan 26, 2016 9:32 am

I don't have the time or the motivation to read that whole game. I don't know where to look for bussing either.

Anyway, there is reasonable bussing and unreasonable bussing. What Dierfire did was reasonable bussing at a reasonable time (scum buddies had a high probability of being lynched anyway). In Albert B.'s case, it seemed more like he wanted to get a mislynch going, so that would be an unreasonable bussing (suboptimal play).

Plus, some things are hard to fake.