Blitz 21 - Hope plus One ―kibou― [End]

[Wisdom]

Both scum decided to vote spiffeh

End of explanation

[Mad King Ashnard]

#1 wisdom, #2 Ankamius. Expedience and spiffeh I'm unsure about, deferring to RC for the spiffeh thing. Rest look town.

-R

[Wisdom]

Why are you scumreading me, other head?

[Titus]

#1 wisdom, #2 Ankamius. Expedience and spiffeh I'm unsure about, deferring to RC for the spiffeh thing. Rest look town.

-R

Hey new head. I don't think I played with you in awhile. Talk to me about Wisdom.

[Gorkington]

titus.
im not gonna be a dick.
but youre being really scummy so far.

[Spiffeh]

Titus if you want to live vote for MKA

[Wisdom]

Spiffeh vote Titus already

[Scatterplot]

Titus is still town.

Wisdom's 740 sort of gives me pause on a Wisdom/Ankamius/Firebringer scumteam, even though I can see either one as scum independently pretty easily. Wisdom is still my best bet.

I really don't like scatterplot anymore, guys. Seem to be buddying RC pretty fucking hard

Sooooooooo...you think Ashnard is town, then.

Let's walk through this step by step.

-Ether

[Wisdom]

Titus is still town.

Wrong.

[Titus]

Titus if you want to live vote for MKA

You got scumbuddies who can murder or lynch me?

I don't see any real reason to vote there. You want my vote, tell me why.

[Mad King Ashnard]

IDK I don't like him jumping around everywhere without any reasons ever given. He's spent a lot of the game trying to cast doubt on everybody else's reads + defending people which is either buddying or just anti-discussion but definitely isn't effort spent explaining or advancing his own votes. I think him hopping off FB in a jokey manner in 1015 and then voting sakura is sketchy af. Mostly I just don't like him though

-R

[Wisdom]

Damn now I wanna townread you. This reaction is the typical town one for people in their first game with me.

[Expedience]

Damn now I wanna townread you. This reaction is the typical town one for people in their first game with me.

What reaction and why? What I'm seeing doesn't seem enough to warrant such a sudden flip of your read, scum could very easily use your erraticness against you if you were town.

Which is odd because of how hard you were tunneling earlier.

And yes I see the irony here please don't point it out. It's a different tier of erraticness if you want. (phoneposting, imagine this quote comes second)

which is pretty much how I play as well so it's believable to me. I think town are more likely to be unsure and get cold feet whereas scum don't want to ruin any towncred they might have gotten for bussing by suddenly being unsure

That's not how I play. In Ether's Blitz I hard defended my buddy saying that he was chosen and scum were manipulating us into lynching him. Town lynched him anyway and then I spent the rest of the game saying that I would absolutely not defend my buddy like that and that I would have bussed him. The exact same thing RC is doing.

I actually find RC's explanation believable too. Not defending his partners when they're about to be lynched is a very strong trend across his games, I can't see him wanting to break this trend and defend Kt / Firebringer in the situation if they were scum together.

Just because you did it once doesn't make me think RC would do it. I think you're grasping at straws when evidence is presented contrary to what you want to hear.

[Expedience]

I don't know why RC moved onto Spiffeh but I still feel good about my vote.

[Antihero]

titus has done nothing town

[Titus]

Me town anti me do townie thing here


Me sleep now

[Ranger]

ranger's reads on these last two pages reminds me of her ridiculously overconfident fakereads in Mafiaception.
:/

Well screw that.

I'm town.
I know who the town are.
If you give me some time (I need to catch up first), I will write a detailed description for why every single town player is town, to the best of my ability, and why Ankamius is confscum and Expedience is my choice for third scum over Scatterplot.
So unless the lynch is Ankamius, don't lynch before I do that. (Not even Expedience, or Scatterplot.)

[Ranger]

ranger, tell me why you think expedience is scum in under three sentences.

-Almost everyone else is town.
-There are multiple hints that Expedience is scum who bussed Firebringer.

i might need to metadive hiplop. [which is also code for: someone give me their opinion on this so i can maybe not have to c:]
cant tell if sticky reads is coming from scum opportunism.
need more data beep boop beep beep.

hiplop was one of my first strong townreads, and the longest-standing for good reason. You saw him in Mafiaception; this is the

exact same

hiplop, whose reads and reasoning have been decent albeit not as perfect as they could be. More details will be provided after I get caught up.

im gonna arbitrarily take sakura/anti/ranger out of my lynchpool for now.
someone talk at me about wisdom.

As with hiplop, the detailed version will come after I'm caught up, but the simple answer is: this is Wisdom at his most town. He's had fine moments, strongly pushing and condemning players who are scum, but has shown paranoia that was not scum-motivated. For instance, while absent from the Firebringer lynch, his reasoning for doubting Firebringer was genuine and prior to that point, no player had pushed Firebringer harder that him, not even me. If he's going for the bus, why back out at the last minute? He wouldn't, thus, he's town.

[Ranger]

can i have the ranger of day 1 back?

This IS the Ranger of D1...only better, more informed.

phantomISO confirms that im probably going to advocate lynching them before lylo.

It would be on policy alone, though, because I guarantee you, this is PhantomCobalt as town. No matter how much you don't like it. (I for one have no problem with him.)

I caught D1 scum with my counterwagon

Yo, Phantom. I also was a major catcher of scum D1. Can you trust me and vote Ankamius?

[Ranger]

And to reemphasize: there

was

scum on the Firebringer lynch, but

only

one. (Well...aside from Firebringer.)
The scum name is either Expedience (my guess) or Scatterplot (less likely).
It can ONLY be one of those two. No other name on there is scum, period.

Off the wagon you get Ankamius as literally the only person who could possibly be scum with any realistic chance. The others off the wagon are just...town.

[Ranger]

Can someone explain the Spiffeh votes to me?

And this continues to be scum deliberately staying on the sidelines of painfully TvT fighting.

[Ranger]

I don't know why RC moved onto Spiffeh but I still feel good about my vote.

This is seriously also not a town response. "There was an extremely questionable move onto the player I'm voting, which I will note to push later, but I won't stop voting anyway."

It's the same lining up mislynches, just done indirectly: Spiffeh (his vote) flips town, then he goes, "Well, RC's vote on Spiffeh was by far the worst as I noted back here, so RC must be the actual scum then."

Scatterplot's posting is still

bad

, yes, but Expedience is notably worse.

[Ankamius]

Oh, are you finally going to explain this read that you've been tunneling for the entire game yet have done literally nothing else to push?

[Ranger]

Why is

Antihero

town? Antihero entered the game carefree and casual: he wasn't afraid of anything. He's been one of the most active posters, and while his thoughts haven't always been correct, I have been able to follow along with them the whole time, understanding

exactly

why he's thought what he has. This, all before the KT/Firebringer push. He was one of the first to call KT scum in 104, and while he talks himself out of it, by 620, he is back to pushing it. One of the strongest posts in his favor is 754, where he nails why KT was scum. He votes the slot in 790 and then

never moves his vote again

, continuing the push in 794, 801, 807, 908, 924, 1021, 1041, 1137, 1142, 1159, and 1161. Conclusion: the obvious, he is town.

This took longer than I thought, so I may have to finish later, but I'll be finishing these all tonight guaranteed.

[Ranger]

Before I take a break, though:

Wisdom's 740 sort of gives me pause on a Wisdom/Ankamius/Firebringer scumteam, even though I can see either one as scum independently pretty easily. Wisdom is still my best bet.

Wanted to be more explicit, it's

this

which was bad from Scatterplot in particular.