Machina Mafia (Game over!)

[Lady Lambdadelta]

And another addition:
In one of my previous games I was in a LyLo and I made the wrong choice. I was judging by scummy actions and posts and the player I decided to lynch was really scummy. Yet I was wrong and the real scum coasted all the way since D1.
I hope you can understand my paranoia.
I don't want to make a mistake again.

Ok, but when have I ever coasted by?

When have I ever made it my goal to avoid attention?

And I mean, ask yourself this question: Marquis and DS have been wanting me dead since day 3. Why would I leave them alive to this situation? I mean, you can say I didn't have any opportunities, but what about the night where Spiffeh died over DS?

If I were scum, why would I kill Spiffeh (who thought I was town AFAIK?) over DS (who was so certain I was scum he was calling for FB to shoot me?)?

[Marquis]

@Nether,

You asked me to throw out a reason LLD is town and I go right back there.

LLD had the same rage. The same attitude in another game we played. She was sooo confident I was scum that from my perspective, she was pushing me and the game towards less optimal actions. LLD has that anger and rage when she feels she has solved the game. She has that exact same attitude here. It was what I was looking for when I reaction tested her after that wierd PV guilty.

if you're town you should find a better reason because it's fucking common knowledge she does that as either alignment

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I can't give you an unbiased opinion on Marquis, Nether.

I could try, I could try and review all his ISO, look at his posts.

But in the end, I am confident in him being scum, and it will be tainted by that.

So I'm sorry, if you wanted a full case review of Marquis' actions without bias I cna't do that.

[Netherspite]

@LLD

Spiffeh was publicly assigned by Titus to receiving me so while it's way less likely that you would kill him than Titus or Marquis (who thought I'm going to cop them) you still could do that just in case I'll change my mind and cop you (I initially submitted you as my target btw, I'm even thinking I shouldn't have changed it to SDB now as he was scummy enough without the guilty result).

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@LLD

Spiffeh was publicly assigned by Titus to receiving me so while it's way less likely that you would kill him than Titus or Marquis (who thought I'm going to cop them) you still could do that just in case I'll change my mind and cop you (I initially submitted you as my target btw, I'm even thinking I shouldn't have changed it to SDB now as he was scummy enough without the guilty result).

Publicly?

Where? Find me it?

Remember, I don't have access to the QT.

[Titus]

@Nether,

You asked me to throw out a reason LLD is town and I go right back there.

LLD had the same rage. The same attitude in another game we played. She was sooo confident I was scum that from my perspective, she was pushing me and the game towards less optimal actions. LLD has that anger and rage when she feels she has solved the game. She has that exact same attitude here. It was what I was looking for when I reaction tested her after that wierd PV guilty.

if you're town you should find a better reason because it's fucking common knowledge she does that as either alignment

Great, show me where as scum she felt the game was solved and pushed towards that with the anger you see here.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@LLD

Spiffeh was publicly assigned by Titus to receiving me so while it's way less likely that you would kill him than Titus or Marquis (who thought I'm going to cop them) you still could do that just in case I'll change my mind and cop you (I initially submitted you as my target btw, I'm even thinking I shouldn't have changed it to SDB now as he was scummy enough without the guilty result).

and you absolutely should have submitted a cop result on me or titus. We discussed this already. Getting a guilty that day was the worst case scenario. A single innocent result on me wins us the game that day and avoids all this paranoia shit dude.

[Titus]

@LLD

Spiffeh was publicly assigned by Titus to receiving me so while it's way less likely that you would kill him than Titus or Marquis (who thought I'm going to cop them) you still could do that just in case I'll change my mind and cop you (I initially submitted you as my target btw, I'm even thinking I shouldn't have changed it to SDB now as he was scummy enough without the guilty result).

and you absolutely should have submitted a cop result on me or titus. We discussed this already. Getting a guilty that day was the worst case scenario. A single innocent result on me wins us the game that day and avoids all this paranoia shit dude.

This is a big hangup I have with Nether.

After the Yakko lynch, I was much more hands off. my reads were wrong, so I started easing up on being in control.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like, you want to know why I'm town Nether?

I've warned you fuckers about the worst case scenario we had to avoid EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.

AND YOU NEVER FUCKING LISTENED.

AND HERE WE ARE.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

SO LIKE, TELL ME NETHER: WHY WOULD I BOTHER TO TRY AND GET TOWN TO DO INTELLIGENT THINGS THAT PROVABLY WOULD HAVE WON US THE GAME

WHY?

[Netherspite]

Couldn't find it. May be it really was in the hood only.
So it rather incriminates Titus then? As only she knew Spiffeh will receive me.

Meanwhile, I found this:

funny how the game stagnates every time vamp gains traction.

I'm fine with the DS grant.

funny how the game stagnates every time vamp gains traction.

I'm fine with the DS grant.

Funny how you seem to have a very short term memory considering you were the one who moded 'the pre emptive text'

Do you think it was faked?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

My blood pressure is going up again....

I'm going to go fucking make some food before I play D&D. I'll check in later Nether.

If I can say one last thing, don't fucking let your paranoia and fear from losing a prior game stop you from making an informed, intelligent decision.

Stop this paranoia shit, lynch Marquis, and we'll fucking rejoice in a glorious town victory.

Danke.

[Netherspite]

So let me summarize information that was available in the game thread and in the hood.

1) Game thread:
FB said he'll give the cop to DS (WIFOMy, yes)
Titus would likely assign Spiffeh to him if he would get cop.
Most likely investigation targets were Marquis & Titus.
Marquis asked to investigate Titus.

2) Hood:
DS claimed he'll visit me
Spiffeh claimed he'll visit SDB
I claimed I'll cop Titus

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Why Spiffeh died?

[Titus]

Because Spiffeh said never to lynch you.

DS said he'd receive you. We got your result. Why wouldn't scum murder the person who was going to clear or dispel me?

[Marquis]

Like, you want to know why I'm town Nether?

I've warned you fuckers about the worst case scenario we had to avoid EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.

AND YOU NEVER FUCKING LISTENED.

AND HERE WE ARE.

lol

why do you always pretend you're such a savior

[Netherspite]

Because Spiffeh said never to lynch you.

What does it have to do with him dying?

[Marquis]

like the fact of the matter is:

- i was pushing for that vamp lynch EVERY SINGLE DAY except for when we got a "guilty" on PV from LLD (which i still don't get because why would PV visit me and what other role would produce a No Result besides me)
- nobody else wanted to listen, and both titus and lld were at the forefront of wanting to focus on shiny things first (yakko, DS, etc.)

i was screaming and fighting for that vamp lynch so don't say it was bussing, because when you bus you don't fucking draw everyone's attention and put yourself out there like that before the fact - there's no reason vamp had to retaliate like that at me as scumpartners and like. fuck what the fuck, i'm so fucking town and i just know we're going to lose the game if it comes to MY lynch of all people at this junction. excuse me for having absolutely no faith in the remaining town to look the right way without at least some mildly correct voice of reason here.

[Marquis]

nether please tell me you're not seriously lynching me over titus.

[Marquis]

seriously considering, that is.

because her answers just keep NOT ADDING UP and she's just driving forward by means of her bravado - look in my iso for the original meta case and it still applies with the way she plays lategames.

[Titus]

Because Spiffeh said never to lynch you.

What does it have to do with him dying?

Never lynch Nether.
Spiffeh dies.

If Marquis is scum, removing you helps him.
If you're scum, this buys you townreads and you can point to Spiffeh's plea.

[Titus]

like the fact of the matter is:

- i was pushing for that vamp lynch EVERY SINGLE DAY except for when we got a "guilty" on PV from LLD (which i still don't get because why would PV visit me and what other role would produce a No Result besides me)
- nobody else wanted to listen, and both titus and lld were at the forefront of wanting to focus on shiny things first (yakko, DS, etc.)

i was screaming and fighting for that vamp lynch so don't say it was bussing, because when you bus you don't fucking draw everyone's attention and put yourself out there like that before the fact - there's no reason vamp had to retaliate like that at me as scumpartners and like. fuck what the fuck, i'm so fucking town and i just know we're going to lose the game if it comes to MY lynch of all people at this junction. excuse me for having absolutely no faith in the remaining town to look the right way without at least some mildly correct voice of reason here.

That's exactly how I bus.

[Marquis]

again you think you're being clever but your need to always say something about everything just reveals more about you bussing ranger/ika

[Titus]

And now you're deflecting. I say your vote pattern is fully possible as a bus. Rather than address the point, you attack me.

I wouldn't give ika a chance in a bus situation. See Maha large theme (Can't spell it).

[Titus]

Not large theme mini theme

[Marquis]

sure, my vote pattern is fully possible as a bus. in the same way snarky's towntells were fully possible as a result of coaching.

you're not analyzing players or determining alignments. you're looking for actions that could be construed to fit a predetermined read, and selectively applying loopholes that fit the narrative you want to sell.