NY 191: Denmark Mafia - Endgame

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean I actually want to vote MM4 here but something tells me that will be a mistake.

So I'll instead and entertain everyone with a limerick.

There once was a chicken named Nobi.
He forced a duel 'gainst heat but slowly.
Heat lambasted a vote.
His post looked much too rote.
So RC said VOTE: Heat, heat solely.

[RadiantCowbells]

I broke up with my ex girl.

Here's her role pm.

Town God

You may target anyone and instantly kill them if they're scum.

You may do this multiple times per day game.

You're fully lynch and bulletproof.

You win with le townerino.

PSYCHE ITS THE WRONG ROLE PM

[RadiantCowbells]

ehh, what's up doc?

[RadiantCowbells]

ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

what's up dak

[RadiantCowbells]

No, I didn't.

Where are the things being sended to me!?!? giving please

[RadiantCowbells]

I STILL DON'T SEE ANYTHING BEING GIVEN TO ME.

RAAAAAAAGH! ANNIE SMASH!

[RadiantCowbells]

[RadiantCowbells]

and I'm desperately waiting to see my L... Rc

Your lawyer? I wasn't aware that I had a law degree.

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't watch Adult Swim much, sorry.

[RadiantCowbells]

Firebringer, you need to change your avi to Annie pronto.

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't scumhunt whatsoever on day 1 of large games.

Lef me arone.

[RadiantCowbells]

Can I strongly resent you if he doesn't flip scum?

[RadiantCowbells]

Did you read day 1?

[RadiantCowbells]

Wow, I just realized how on point I actually was on that D1.

Go me!

No wonder I got NKed by both scum factions the same night.

At any rate, I'll point out scummy things and call them out but I'm not looking to call someone out on D1 and call them confirmed scum.

I'm just looking to get general reads on everyone and then I'll focus more later once I know where to look based on my general impressions of their play.

I'd burn out like crazy trying to intensively read 18 people.

[RadiantCowbells]

Uh, last time I was scum in a large I bussed both my partners then got the GS inno to lynch the cop inno over me in 3 way lylo.

[RadiantCowbells]

as either alignment?

That's hardly fair. my scumhunting is rather solid if I do say so myself.

[RadiantCowbells]

ok, I can be persuaded then.

VOTE: MM4

But I'm going to hate you twice as much as pranay if you're wrong.

[RadiantCowbells]

I feel like with the bizarreness of certain people's reactions to me that the decision to push on me was something discussed in pregame by the scum team.

With that said, I want this.

VOTE: Firebringer

[RadiantCowbells]

It's specifically to do with my desire to lynch Firebringer.

Can't explain it all atm.

[RadiantCowbells]

Firebringer's the same age as you, you dolt.

[RadiantCowbells]

You'll have to call again, I was just leaving.

I'm, uh, not dressed properly.

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't think I've ever played a scum game without some sort of plan.

[RadiantCowbells]

Oh my god all the Annie avis.

I'm dying here.

[RadiantCowbells]

I ended higher elo than Annie Bot last season I played.

I'll incinerate you to a pile of cinders.

[RadiantCowbells]

fucking liar so you can claim diamond smurf in bronze

You don't believe me?

Let's make a bet. you have to order me a pizza if I can prove it.

deal?

[RadiantCowbells]

Do you agree to my bet, yes or no?

[RadiantCowbells]

Not you, AJ.

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Titus

She immediately starts pushing on me whenever she's town.

I'm taking the absence of such as a declaration of her being scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean, she mostly pushes on me when she's scum, I think.

Haven't played with that enough.

But it's become common enough that I'm odded out, plus I just generally find a lot of her affect flat in this game.

[RadiantCowbells]

You said nothing about my ability to read you, which is what's in question when I'm voting you.

[RadiantCowbells]

You said nothing about my ability to read you, which is what's in question when I'm voting you.

You're voting me on the inference that I always scumread you when town, which is irrelevant as you rolled scum a lot lately.

No, that realization is what specifically sparked me to vote you above other players.

I've been scumreading you since the very beginning of this game, but have been sidelining it for various reasons.

[RadiantCowbells]

I burn out trying to play to my full ability in larges.

I just get reads early and then sort them when there's either fewer players or when I'm already dead set on someone being scum with little specific ISOing.

I do believe I already posted that.

Why I voted you now? It's heavily related to comparing your play in games that aren't discussable here.

[RadiantCowbells]

FA, pls stop trying to push me.

I am le townerino capuccino from cincinno dongerino.

[RadiantCowbells]

Also, Titus even admitted last time she was scum in a game with me that she tried to avoid me because she was afraid of me pressuring her.

She basically ignored me in the first half of this game and is still trying to deflect without engaging.

[RadiantCowbells]

Nah, you're le scum.

Besides, you know better than to think that you get the better of a head on engagement or why would you have done it in the last large?

I could throw your own scum meta at you, saying that you pick fights with town leaders but I am not looking to pick a fight for fight's sake but to read you. So I am going to take that tool out of your shed.

Implying that you already know I'm town, or why wouldn't you be suspicious of me playing my scum meta?

[RadiantCowbells]

Then, if you're not townreading me, why would you not be remotely suspicious of me doing something that is established and I've even admitted is a key factor in my scum meta?

Not that you're anything close to a town leader this game, in fact you're an unimpressive lurksack. You're not even active lurking well.

And that's a big reason I'm pushing you here.

[RadiantCowbells]

Town!Titus has no motivation to not verbally spar with me regarding my meta.

I am undefeated as scum since my return to site. A large part of that is I night kill effectively. You would be dead N1 if I was afraid of your knowledge of my scum meta.

Where do you benefit from allowing me to stall and deflect and get rid of the people who are capable of pushing on me, since you certainly believe that you are?

[RadiantCowbells]

Like, in a year, no one has managed to lynch me as scum.

You're aware of this.

You're saying that you're okay letting me somewhat lurk in the background and not making an immediate attempt to push or sort me?

[RadiantCowbells]

Don't call it stupid tunneling.

I have a case here.

I can't even fathom Titus being okay just letting me chill out.

[RadiantCowbells]

Titus, in every game that she's thought I was a scum contender, has made pushing me her #1 priority.

I can make a list if necessary.

Why, in this one, am I downgraded to watch list.

[RadiantCowbells]

So Firebringer, what the fuck am I supposed to do?

I think Titus is scum and she won't engage with me. You think I'm scum for trying to force her to engage with me so everyone else can see how scummy she is.

How the fuck do you work that out?

[RadiantCowbells]

How about you push and look for someone else and not tunnel?
You are going to waste the day focusing on Titus I can already tell and I want you to cut that shit out now.

Why is it a waste of time?

I'm far more confident that Titus is scum than anyone else in this game.

What reason do I have to choose to push on a much less interesting wagon when I'm both pretty confident that Titus is scum and she's proportionately less likely to be lynched by others?

Your second post pretty much negates your first...so what are your reasons for scumreading Titus? I want actual reasons, not bullshit like "I expect her to push me!!!"

Her posts are all super short and evasive, she gives reasoning on very little, she's avoiding engaging with the vast majority of the town, etc.

Textbook scum yo.

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

His ISO is shit. It's fluffposting combined with a vote on Fire he never brings up a gone, followed by a shitty vote on Titus. His "case" is entirely based on how he thinks Titus is supposed to act and he tunnels on her and doesn't comment on anyone or anything else.

ok.

[RadiantCowbells]

Titus engaging with me in a way that made me feel her as town would cause me to townread and unvote her.
Titus engaging with me in a way that was scummy would cause me to continue to scumread and push her.
Titus failing to engage me makes me think she's scummy because it's all I have to go off of.

How is this a Morton's Fork, unless she's scum anyway?

[RadiantCowbells]

And no, Titus has not engaged with me much at all.

I note that I have in the past successfully townread her in the one game I've played where we were both town, so there's no reason for her to be dramatically concerned with me misreading her after she actually engages with me.

I find it patently bizarre that FB wants me to ignore my primary scumread here.

[RadiantCowbells]

We shouldnt lynch heat because pistachio is scummier. What do you mean by the second paragraph about what you've presented?

anything to say about Titus?

[RadiantCowbells]

Meta is what it is, it's a tool.

It can be misused and it's terrible or used properly and it's effective, but to write any scumhunting method as 'trash' is disingenuous.

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Heat

Alright, do you operate a bed and breakfast?

Because the waffle and mixed messages are unreal.

[RadiantCowbells]

K, so what, you gonna push on me or summat?

I'm voting Heat near exclusively right now because of his latest post, which no one else had responded to at the time.

If my case on him is similar to something someone else had said in the past about him, maybe it's just because we're right?

[quote]Titus is probably town, but I really don't get her reasons for the Dav push because I'm really not seeing any buddying going on there
FA's spiel did strike me as townie, but not enough to make me unvote her
I'm not feeling as bad about Dwlee as I was yesterday. I agree that pistachio is scummy but I don't think its worthy of a lynch right now. I wanna see more of them before deciding
/quote]

Waffles about 3 positions, says that he doesn't get the dav push but not that it's a townread, and calls you town.
Also the mixed messages WRT the way he discusses it are insane.

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean it's especially ironic given that you literally called him out on it right after I did.

Where is your head at here?

[RadiantCowbells]

Hey Shiro, did you ever get back to me with that music?

[RadiantCowbells]

Titus, 570. dissect it.

no one else says anything about it until she does.

[RadiantCowbells]

And yeah, I forget where or if I ever got around to asking it but I need some new music to listen to.

Failure to comply will result in immediate expulsion from the SSAA (Secret Society of Annie Avatars.)

[RadiantCowbells]

Grib, do you have any feelings one way or the other towards the rest of the content addressing Heat between then and now?

[RadiantCowbells]

And yeah, I forget where or if I ever got around to asking it but I need some new music to listen to.

Failure to comply will result in immediate expulsion from the SSAA (Secret Society of Annie Avatars.)

I was never in it... I don't think.

P.S. Listen to Kelsi Ballerini or Maddie and Tae.

If really country music mafia mood, chainsaw by The Band Perry.

I liked Chainsaw and a few Maddie and Tae songs, including girl in a country song.

Kelsi no likey.

I'm not generally a fan of country in general though, but Chainsaw was a good song.

[RadiantCowbells]

FA, what music do you listen to?

[RadiantCowbells]

FA, what music do you listen to?

country? I like "Take me to church" from Hozier

but I'm fan of symphonic metal. within temptation and nightwish

I don't usually listen to country, no.

Oh! Ever heard of Luca Turili? It's somewhat down that alley.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm quite familiar with Within Temptation.

I know of Nightwish but I'm iffy on a lot of their songs.

[RadiantCowbells]

Well, not quite.

Luca Turili did his own solo spin off that I like considerably better than Rhapsody itself.

You should check them out! I can provide some of my favourites.

[RadiantCowbells]

Did you mean you like Luca Turili's solo career as well or you'd like me to paste you some songs?

[RadiantCowbells]

you can find them on your own then

[RadiantCowbells]

I really recommend you start with this one.



It's a 12 minute doozy of a song but it really sums up what their music is all about.

Excluding the 20 second storytelling part in the middle which I never like it's one of my favourites.

[RadiantCowbells]

It sure is good that Lane isn't in this game.



That would be unfortunate.

[RadiantCowbells]

RC

Blind guardian. If you don't know them I can make s quick best of the best list. Epica as well.

If less symphonic listen to BFMV I hadn't listened to anything from. The since poison but w few sings from the new album that I listened were awesome.

Don't know them! Set me up

[RadiantCowbells]

Never heard of either.

No discriminate pls. Yes suggest songs.

[RadiantCowbells]

Pretty good, but I actually prefer studio versions of songs to live songs because they're better mixed and I can get better quality.

Unless I'm actually hearing it live, of course.

Another song, please?

[RadiantCowbells]

Yeah, sure! Or something else you'd think I'd like.

[RadiantCowbells]

Lane confirmed for Grib alt 2015.

[RadiantCowbells]

No Shiro, you are le scums.

I lynches you now.

[RadiantCowbells]

So I was pretty meh on Living a Lie, loved Our Destiny, and thought Chasing the Dragon was quite good as well.

I got to Sancta Terra from the random thing and I think it's awesome so I'm going to wait to go to FA's picks until it's done.

PEDIT

NO SHIRO IS LE SCUMS.

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean I like his vote, but is Grib rubbing anyone else way the wrong way alignment wise?

Seems to be trying way too hard to come across as a good lil townie.

[RadiantCowbells]

I wonder if Firebringer has been learning some tricks from me.

I'm getting a dark suspicion that I need to be saying something here.

[RadiantCowbells]

*holds knife to throat*

TOUCH HIM NOW

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't like Shiro trying to start a counter wagon to heat.

I think she may indeed be...

Spoiler: role related info obtained through backtracing ips

le scums

If anything you learned from me

No way, sir.

Milady Shiro, how are you this fine evening?

Aww adorbs.

[RadiantCowbells]

So you're saying that you're going to

TURN UP THE HEAT

*drops

tibbers

mic*

[RadiantCowbells]

OK now it's getting weird.

nah I'm going to make here a freezing hell

ಠ_ಠ

[RadiantCowbells]

Well no, because your avi is flaming hot.

I don't like frozen hells either.

But that's not what I was referring to.

[RadiantCowbells]

They don't.

They had to be separated to opposite corners of the planet.

Annie was then shipped off to an alternate dimension to maul people with her bear.

[RadiantCowbells]

Both of your songs were good too FA! Just finished them!

My favourite is still Sancta Terra which I got to accidentally though.

[RadiantCowbells]

Outing the fact that Titus and FB were obviously softing Mason but not in a town way.

I'm still not sure where I want to go on that but it is badly eclipsed by some of my other reads.

[RadiantCowbells]

Outing the fact that Titus and FB were obviously softing Mason but not in a town way.

I'm still not sure where I want to go on that but it is badly eclipsed by some of my other reads.

Why the fuck would you out this though

Why the fuck wouldn't I?

I don't believe you're masons together, I don't think that even if you're both town that you were going to end up eating a role bullet for the mason softing because of how overt it was.

[RadiantCowbells]

Titus seems legitimately upset here.

I'm inclined to think her town here right now.

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't really have a read on Dave, but my confidence in Titus isn't high enough to merit me fully reading him.

[RadiantCowbells]

Eh, fine. I'm rereading him.

[RadiantCowbells]

Is Titus usually this overtly emotional?

I was townreading at first now I'm just confused.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm not even close to considering that right now.

[RadiantCowbells]

So, am I the only one who feels like Pistachion is scum's designated counter wagon?

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean I'm not TRing her but Pistachi0n strikes me as more unreadable and less legitimately scummy.

I'd rather she got off her butt and did something than we lynched her today.

Plus, I don't like the people getting on the wagon.

[RadiantCowbells]

Elyse is giving me the heebie jeebies.

[RadiantCowbells]

Anyone wanna take bets that this setup is multiball?

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm just not feeling a Dav wagon whatsoever.

I still think Heat is quite likely to flip scum but I could be persuaded to vote Elyse or something.

Also, where are my delicious baked goods?

[RadiantCowbells]

Brownies, always.

With ice cream.

[RadiantCowbells]

Titus, besides Dave who would you be willing to vote right now?

[RadiantCowbells]

So, you want me to compromise for you but you're not willing at all to compromise for me?

[RadiantCowbells]

I agree.

You want to do anything about it?

[RadiantCowbells]

Yeah, sure.

VOTE: AJ

I mean I'm not about your reasoning, more about the fact that he's just weird as fuck in a scummy way, but yeah.

[RadiantCowbells]

Pistachio isn't even a policy lynch, it's a dumb wagon that's clearly in scum's interests because there's nothing that's really legitimately scummy about the slot.

I'm not voting her today.

[RadiantCowbells]

Uh, Heat is far from a policy lynch.

[RadiantCowbells]

I like Dwlee for town I just think that he's wrong.

[RadiantCowbells]

I like Dwlee for town I just think that he's wrong.

You think pistachi0n is town?

I am fairly certain one of pistachi0n/zimpf is scum

Walk me through the reasoning that

a) there's a confirmed scum between those two players and
b) that there's only one confirmed scum between those two players
c) that none of the above information points to any specific one of them, just the pair.

[RadiantCowbells]

How do you get feelings that involve two random people being guaranteed to contain exactly 1 scum?

What the frigate.

[RadiantCowbells]

Would you find a force replacement on Zymf to be an acceptable solution in lieu of lynching someone whom we have no ability to read?

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm not concerned about him, I'm concerned about wasting an opportunity to lynch actual scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

I could

I guess

such indecision, wow.

[RadiantCowbells]

Wtf zymf..
you
. wtf

What the actual crap..
just to get it off of your back..?
the entire wagon that was on me has joined my wagon has moved to pistachio despite scum reading me.. wuuuuutttt.
Mario, it is multiball..

You know this for sure, how?

[RadiantCowbells]

Dwlee's tunnel on Pistachi0n isn't something I like either but I'm not thinking he's scum for it atm.

[RadiantCowbells]

Elyse, you so, so rolled scum this game.

VOTE: Elyse

[RadiantCowbells]

But you did, though!

Why are you lying to me. It's really not nice to lie.

[RadiantCowbells]

You wouldn't lie to me.

So you're saying that if you were scum this game, right now, you would admit that you're scum and vote yourself?

[RadiantCowbells]

ok.

I'm a sucker for ate.

VOTE: Aj

[RadiantCowbells]

What's your read on me?

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't really think Elyse is scum anymore.

[RadiantCowbells]

So who do you think is scum RC?

I have not read the intermediary gap and thus my reads have not changed.

Later today.

[RadiantCowbells]

Things seem to be going well without me, so this game just gets a prodge. sorry.

[RadiantCowbells]

One more prod dodge. I guarantee this is the last one.

[RadiantCowbells]

This wagon sucks.

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't really want a MM4 lynch right now.

[RadiantCowbells]

That double kill makes me sad.

[RadiantCowbells]

Elyse, please teach me your ways.

[RadiantCowbells]

Also, fantastic job Elyse!

Fantastic job other than your Titus read, and I can't really blame you for that, given, you know...

[RadiantCowbells]

Both the D1 and D2 lynches were in my top 5 townreads.

Just feel like I should say that.

[RadiantCowbells]

Yeah.
tbh the FA/Espe team could very easily have won if it weren't for the fact that Copenhagen got systematically lynched then the roleblocker guilty.
Although to be fair there were 0 cross kills this game which made it immensely tough for town, but considering the D1 and D2 lynches...

[RadiantCowbells]

I targeted RC becuase I felt he is lying low - more than his usual , I felt he is in the other scum team or have a pr role

lol.

I was in exams you goof.

[RadiantCowbells]

That's how I feel about Heat :p

[RadiantCowbells]

Hydraing doesn't seem to have made us work better together though.

I'm sad.

[RadiantCowbells]

I regret ever leaving Dave but at the same time people say compromise more.

When I do compromise, I get like 75% town lynches and my stubborn target is almost always scum.
When I don't compromise and my target gets lynched, more likely than not it's town.

Kind of an interesting predicament. *shrug*

I think the key to avoiding this is to learn to read cues from the game state and the way wagons develop.
Not sure how to explain it because it's mostly an instinct thing for me.

Rc had a scum tell of me. and that was really accurate. i get frustrated and ask people to leave me alone when I'm really guilty. I'm siriously hiding it after he compromised it like that. if you want to have an emotional read on me first put everyone else aside. Imagine yourself as me / in the craziest emotional matter/ then think I do them as town or scum. or you fail.

GET OUT OF HERE!!!

lol.

[RadiantCowbells]

I regret ever leaving Dave but at the same time people say compromise more.

When I do compromise, I get like 75% town lynches and my stubborn target is almost always scum.
When I don't compromise and my target gets lynched, more likely than not it's town.

Kind of an interesting predicament. *shrug*

I think the key to avoiding this is to learn to read cues from the game state and the way wagons develop.
Not sure how to explain it because it's mostly an instinct thing for me.

Rc had a scum tell of me. and that was really accurate. i get frustrated and ask people to leave me alone when I'm really guilty. I'm siriously hiding it after he compromised it like that. if you want to have an emotional read on me first put everyone else aside. Imagine yourself as me / in the craziest emotional matter/ then think I do them as town or scum. or you fail.

GET OUT OF HERE!!!

lol.

That comment is pretty funny but probably exactly what Someone else I hydra would tell me. Funny thing is I can usually see it in hindsight above average but not in the moment. Kinda wierd.

I feel bad now.
I'm not trying to criticize your play, far from it. You saw where my disastrous deathtunnel went in B22. You were amazing D1 in Fire & Ice as well, because I thought Flubber was doc and you pinned him as scum immediately. I still think that you're a very good player and it would be nice to play with you if we rolled the same faction and realized it. Funny that I'm saying that in this game because I think this is the only game where we managed to mutually read each other correctly as town and push lynches together.

[RadiantCowbells]

Fa please calm down.

I'm on skype if you need to talk.

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't know how to talk to you when you're like this.
I sincerely doubt that you want to kill or hurt anyone.
Please.