NY 191: Denmark Mafia - Endgame

[Titus]

Subject: Inorganic Chemistry [GAME OVER, SCUM WIN]

Vote: mastin

I really think it will work this time.

Deja vu.

Vote: Sonic Boom

.

Because let's face it.
It's Metal Sonic.
And Titus.
METAL SONIC.
And TITUS.

Is there ANY universe where they

aren't

scum here?

Mastina was scum. This is almost verbatim Dave's post.

[Titus]

VOTE: Titus

When

isn't

she scum?

For comparison.

[Davsto]

Will get to this. Was vaguely watching along while I felt like trash and particularly remember a few things bugging me - I'll do one of those nice catchup posts.

[Dwlee99]

I asked for multiple examples. kappa

[Davsto]

The writing of the post will now commence. Begin the music!

[Titus]

I asked for multiple examples. kappa

BM + Mastina = Two examples

I am rarely RVSed because I rarely start. Blitz 6 is close but it was scum threatened by my strategy more likely.

[Davsto]

Defensiveness is not a scumtell

defensiveness is not a scumtell

Then gamblers fallacy.

You have been scum in past games, therefore you are scum in this game.

Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

@Lady Titus

Shiro has gathered all game relevant Dav posts from Nether game for you convenience ^_^

Spoiler:

So basically you're pandering to the confirmed town and buddying up to them knowing that they have the most power in the game right now so hopefully they won't decide to lynch you if you're nice to them? Because that's the air that I'm getting.

Honest =/= right.

I've seen honest reads be entirely wrong and bullshit reads be entirely right. That's why I prefer to think for myself and look at the case before deciding "oh I think it's alright" and voting it, rather than going "mmkay so this conftown person is voting it so I should too".

I probably should have done this while discussing with Spiffeh but I don't think I actually did (which is also why I dislike the "overreacted to the vote on me" comment considering there wasn't one).

VOTE: Spiffeh

I am not comfortable with a massclaim today. It is likely to result in people who are both conftown

and

a good power role and I am seriously against it.

That is to say, it gives scum the knowledge of some really, really good nightkill targets.

I don't see how massclaim would be useful. Due to the three "Random Town" slots in the setup, scum can basically just claim any of the non-unique roles and be fine.

I'm pretty sure Town Random can literally be any town role, and because they're randomly distributed Scum can just claim any non-unique roles and they can't be counterclaimed since there can be duplicates.

Meh. I'm not sold on it. Negatives don't seem to outweigh the positives.

Wait does a Jester lynch end the game?

No but jester causes suicide on someone on his wagon.

Ouch, guess I didn't read closely enough.

With luck, it should hit the scum which are most likely on the wagon.

Oh well. It's not like we gained a ridiculous amount of info from said flip. Mod errors happen.

Anyway, who's the next scum?

VOTE: hiplop

^There's the idea.

And, from these posts alone, you have magically deduced that they are scum how exactly?

My thoughts are that was literally their last post made onsite so we wait for a replacement before we start going after them.

@Dave, Great. I see you don't like mine. Who do you like then?

No-one, at the current time. I'm a misanthrope.

But in all seriousness, it's a tad to early for me to get any clear reads yet. Sometimes I can latch onto something easily but sometimes it takes a while. I'm open to a Jeanne one if the inevitable replacement is bad but right now, it's a silly wagon.

@Davesto, We gotta get two wagons in six days. Yeah, this isn't ironclad case territory we're talking about here. We're lynching dead weight anti-town and doing it fast.

We have 6 days for each lynch.

I just finished a game where each day had a 5 day deadline. We don't rush around lynching the first person we can. We still have almost a week to think about each wagon. Panicking is a terrible idea, as we just learnt.

Or I might be being purposefully obtuse and silly because too many players have a post count < 0 for me to be comfortable lynching again. My vote is essentially on Shiro though~

I was waiting for Shiro to say some super scummy reply to the vote on you honestly but she seems to have poofed away so

VOTE: Shiro

Bleep

@Heartless, All meta is garbage and prone to the very criticisms you say here.

That's not a strained angle. Meta is only a personality tell. Meta shows she's aggressive as scum.

Vote me for having the balls to disagree with conftown.

The only difference between the wagons is I am objecting and Spiffeh was trying to get himself lynched.

Here's my view of what you're saying.

Heartless: I want to lynch town cuz meta.
Me: No. Let's lynch Spiffeh who isn't town and ignore bad meta.
Heartless: Well Spiffeh wasn't groupscum, let's lynch town.
Me: No.
Heartless: Well there's resistance to lynching town, so it must be scum.

Me:

okay so

Heartless: vote shiro
Delenn: give reasons
Heartless: *gives reasons*
Delenn: no

PEdit: are you Shiro's partner?

titus, for all intents and purposes, spiffeh was a mislynch

QFT

???

To me a good lynch is any lynch that avoids town...why do you think it was a mislynch?

You're saying that a lynch that didn't hit Mafia/Evil Neutral is good? The fact that the grief lynch has a chance of hitting town is good? The fact that we got no sort of helpful result from said lynch is good?

titus, for all intents and purposes, spiffeh was a mislynch

acknowledge that, or i'm lynching you

Hardly. He was being pretty scummy(Which apparently was on purpuse). He was a jester trying to get lynched without showing that he was a jester.

@Delenn I actually do think Ank has potential to be scum. Davsto is sheeping conftown and I find that suspicious since he was one of those that said we should not do so just cause he is conftown because Honest=/= right

Difference:
Then, he was all "lynch Shiro"
Now, he's all "lynch Shiro because of these good reasons".
There's a noticeable difference in there, don't you think?

At least that's one Neutral out of the way. Better for a Jester to be out early rather than fucking up lylo for us all.

As in, "it'd be better if we hadn't lynched him at all and we just nightkilled him or something but if we do lynch it's better now than then."
Also, note that I was unaware of the Jester-grief-kill at the time of that post.

Okay so I didn't claim yesterday because I didn't want to out myself because I am a

Sheriff

I inspected Shiro last night and got Mafia.

VOTE: Shiro

Also:

a) hell yes the Jester grief got the Arsonist
b) but this means there was no Mafia kill. Interested as to why.

Jury:

I'm willing to bet that "ika-looking" post was scum faking it to avoid an ika. The reason we're not voting ika now anyway is because it's more important to get Mafia/Killing Neutral out of the way than it is to get a Judge killed, since the Maf/Neut have night actions while the Judge will be powerless after today. Us town are going for Runner but I highly doubt we'll manage it before scum get their way with Ank.

This was me.

PEdit - I recall someone else claiming town investigative at some point. I don't think they specified, but I remember someone doing it.

Apparently no-one said they were investigative like I thought I saw when reading through. I know I've been tired this weekend but apparently I've been hallucinating counterclaims too.

I'm genuinely confused as to how that line of reasoning makes any logical sense. Also, as to how I - who has a currently conftown claim with only two people having not claimed yet - is in the "scum" pile, whilst the two people who haven't claimed are in my Investigative slot.

Also yeh it's not like Kidnapper is literally made to be a fakeclaim for Jailor amirite. I mean she didn't submit the kill for multiple reasons (we know she's not godfather) but ya know.

So, uh, Shiro, does your target know that you're the Jailor?

Shiro was blocked by Delenn.

There is the possibility scum targeted who Shiro jailed as well.

Didn't actually think of that. It is a possibility yea.

Then you might want to tell us who you jailed?

Right, okay...

I'm still betting you being Mafia over a Framer but ya know, might as well unvote.

UNVOTE:

Do you think Dave is scum or framer exists?

I love how you don't consider the third possibility of Shiro being scum. Why's this?

Yeah, no.

I'm claiming investigative, I tricked Ari last night, but I'm confused as to the kill...it would maybe make sense with what jeanne is saying...

Judge has no night action. Jeanne by targeting ika submitted no block is her claim.

Pretty sure Dave is scum here. Now he's been cced.

Do realise there is the possibility of - gasp - more than one Town Investigative in the setup.

*points at unclaimed Runner*

*points at potential of ika being scum*

*points also a little bit at a mafia nokill gambit*

I mean I'm gonna believe Framer for now but ya know.

Okay now I'm actually paying attention to the game I realise that Shiro is probably not scum. Probably.

ugh this is confusing

Sorry, I kinda panicked. I got a guilty and when the two people trying to talk me out of following it were the person I got a guilty on and someone else I scumread a bit yesterday (as being a potential partner too!) so I kinda just ignored what you were saying at first when you seemed to be trying to cast shadow onto me. Now you've properly explained it I see what you're on about.

Sorry about that :/

So... hiplop is saying he didn't make a single post apart from voting during the Court

and the vote was on Ankamius, who we discerned early to be a scum-motivated wagon?

Yeh, hip's almost certainly the Judge. Looking at it, Judge's writing style is kinda hip-y.

So... hiplop is saying he didn't make a single post apart from voting during the Court

and the vote was on Ankamius, who we discerned early to be a scum-motivated wagon?

Yeh, hip's almost certainly the Judge. Looking at it, Judge's writing style is kinda hip-y.

Can you lay out what you think the answer is?

What you mean?

Right, okay.

Town Government - Heartless (Marshall)
Town Investigative - Davsto (Sheriff)
Town Protective - Titus (Escort)
Town Killing or Power - Ankamius (Vigilante)
Town Random - ika/hiplop (Crier)
Town Random - Bins (Crier)
Town Random - Shiro (Jailer)
Godfather - Runner (seems like about a right Jailing target for Shiro, too!)
Mafia Support - Jeanne (Consort)
Mafia Deception - Bella (Framer)
Neutral Killing - Aristophanes (Arsonist)
Neutral Evil or Benign - hiplop/ika (Judge)
Neutral Evil or Benign - Spiffeh (Jester)

That's my guess. Confirms in bold. Really unsure on ika/hiplop, idk, gah. Thing is ika had a post that was apparently him and not-Court during the Jury but I don't know anymore :/

I reckon that Runner is the target for today. Seems like the most likely possibility for the Godfather by very far, and isn't an ambiguous "maybe, maybe not" like Me/Bella and Delenn/Jeane. Judge isn't

really

something to worry about honestly.

PEdit what in the butts are you on about Jeanne!?

PEdit thoughts too - if we get the Godfather (almost certainly Runner) lynched today, then scum cannot nightkill anymore, right..?

I think the tide has turned. Scum could have shot runner to frame them/infoless kill (presuming Shiro jailed runner by poe).

Dave jumping on there was really opportunistic.

VOTE: Dave

If Runner claims invest, we sort him and Bella tomorrow.
If Runner claims protective, we sort him/me or the criers.

Dave's scumflip should clear Bella.

You're adorable. How in the hell is jumping on practically confirmed scum (see: Runner and Shiro blocking them) opportunistic? It's common goddamn sense!

I think the tide has turned. Scum could have shot runner to frame them/infoless kill (presuming Shiro jailed runner by poe).

Dave jumping on there was really opportunistic.

VOTE: Dave

If Runner claims invest, we sort him and Bella tomorrow.
If Runner claims protective, we sort him/me or the criers.

Dave's scumflip should clear Bella.

You're adorable. How in the hell is jumping on practically confirmed scum (see: Runner and Shiro blocking them) opportunistic? It's common goddamn sense!

Not if you killed Runner. Why didn't you vote Bella who is a 1 v 1 as framer in your view?

Don't want to limit the pool?

Because I was (and still am) tired as fuck and as a result my play is shit and screwed up.

Why didn't you vote Jeanne who is 1v1 as a Consort in your view?

@Dave, I have one vote. You faked a guilty.

No I got a goddamn guilty result, not faked it. There's a Framer, okay, and it's Bella.

Give me a genuine reason I am scum because I swear this is confbias crap.

I

Didn't

Fake

A

Guilty




There

Is

A

Framer


It

Is

Bellaphant



Listen

To

Me

goddamn it I'm too tired to deal with this crap, it's 10 PM, hopefully you get this sorted out by tonight.

In case you guys mislynch me though, you can still win!

Shiro jails Runner and executes

Titus blocks Jeanne so that the execute can't be blocked, and vice versa just in case because ya know

that way it should take it down to 4:2:1 tomorrow

lynch Bella for obvious reasons, and then hope to christ you can find last scum

Sorry for any outbursts, I'm in a really crappy mood :/

I'm just annoyed because Delenn is tunneling as the only read there is on me is the "faked guilty" which literally could have been caused by a Framer which is what even they suggested at first but apparently they've now changed their mind (?)

@Jeanne, then if you think I am pulling a fast one, you should be voting Bella. Mathematically there's no other option supposing you're town.

@Dave, The faked guilty is the biggest part in your opportunism.

I will be back later.

But

It's not faked

saiodhflsduighuizdhbfuildzflzdn

This is the stupidest argument I've ever heard!

If you literally have no other proof for me being scum than literally something that is probable (I investigate someone who is being framed) then you should really reconsider if you're even slightly right.

Yea I think my plan can't fail, if you are town Davsto know that at least we will still win

Vote:Dav

Shiro, don't take Jeanne's bait. If you block Jeanne over Runner, the Mafia will still get a kill tonight. That's why you need to jail Runner.

I'm town, I promise, but it seems I can't convince anyone despite you literally having no fucking proof but alright.

VOTE: Bellaphant

But seriously, your only proof is that I got a guilty result on someone when there is literally a Framer in the setup.

THE ONLY "PROOF" YOU HAVE THAT I'M SCUM IS LITERALLY NOT ALIGNMENT INDICATIVE!!!!

It is possible that we can risk it this way and win it

If we lynch dav and it wrong

I jail runner as he said and execute

jeane and delenn roleblock each other.

We lynch bella who will be confirmed framer.

Then we lynch between delenn and jeane. Even if we get it wrong the first time we still win. Judge cannot win alone so it is victory.

It is actually a fail proof victory plan isn't it ?

I find it funny that when

I

suggest that plan here...

goddamn it I'm too tired to deal with this crap, it's 10 PM, hopefully you get this sorted out by tonight.

In case you guys mislynch me though, you can still win!

Shiro jails Runner and executes

Titus blocks Jeanne so that the execute can't be blocked, and vice versa just in case because ya know

that way it should take it down to 4:2:1 tomorrow

lynch Bella for obvious reasons, and then hope to christ you can find last scum

It is literally fucking ignored.

/siiiggghhhh

There's only a Framer if I'm not town

I'm not town because I got a guilty result

This is the most bullshit line of reasoning I've ever heard!

Meanwhile you're sitting there proud that you've got "teh rite resoningg !!!one!!" ignoring the fact that Bella is nowhere to be seen whilst all the pressure is on me.

This isn't a bad AtE, I'm genuinely fucking pissed off at your bullshit. You're town, Delenn, have some goddamn sense!

If we lynch Bella she'll flip Framer and that clears me, and

HOW IN THE ARSE IS RUNNER TOWN!?

If Runner is town then how in hell was there no kill last night? Your reads make no fucking sense.

Also I just realised the tactic won't work because you can't nightkill a Godfather.

So I don't know what the fuck to do now, because if you lynch me there's a plenty good chance we're fucked. Nice job breaking it, hero.

VOTE: Shiro

Gambler's fallacy?

I

@ari, hii. You town this time?

mean

I think Ika's theory isn't terrible, actaully. Narrowing down from the claimed vts and pr without counter can work. Will address this more later.

look

Yeah, no.

I'm claiming investigative, I tricked Ari last night, but I'm confused as to the kill...it would maybe make sense with what jeanne is saying...

at

Ari visited ika....:S

these

Yeah, I can't see a way for there to be two investigatives, and the way dave claimed was super susp.

townie

Ika, runner hasn't claimed. I'm investigative, are visited you last night and set in fire, which maybe you didn't get killed bc of jeanne?? Dave is scum.

posts!

VOTE: Delenn

She is harping on me being scum when clearly I am not. The fact is I know I am town. And seeing she is ignoring that possibility, I think she is consort. I have my sights set on her.

I am town escort

@ika come on, you must have receive some notification. The mod said so couple of posts ago. I am re-checking with them.

Lynching between you two right now is not wise

If I could pick jail target at night it would have been possible but right now it isn't because a mistake means you will stop my execution of potential scum in order not to lose

Also Dav will confirm runner and Bella as scum if he flips town, you or Delenn will provide nothing and even if u.are right and Delenn flips scum I would have to get lucky between 3 targets before flip to stop the kill since she is confirmed roleblocker.

Dav sorry but you are the best lynch for today

I gotcha, now we know that Godfather can be executed, that's the choice.

Jail Runner - execute tonight
Delenn block Jeanne and Jeanne block Delenn.
Lynch Bella tomorrow.

That gets rid of a majority of the scum, leaving one Mafioso. You can probably figure it out from thereon.

I'm not gonna self-vote because that deprives you of any information you can get from votes on my wagon, but I'm not gonna bother defending myself anymore since I am fully aware that I am the best lynch, since it confirms both Runner and Bella as scum.

You go, guys.

@Delenn Why won't you consider the possibility that I am town?

Right

You see the setup?

We know that, if there are two roles of a particular category (Escort is Protective), one of them must either be Town Random or Scum.

However, we are largely aware that in the Town randoms, two of them are Criers and the other is Shiro, a Jailer, due to the flipped roles.

Thus, one of you or Titus must be scum, and from her PoV it's obviously going to be you.

This is also why me flipping Sheriff confirms both Runner and Bella as scum - there can only be one Town Investigative.

Shiro - you jailed yet?

The resistance to my wagon from Jeanne is basically a scumclaim, because she knows that, when I flip town, her scumteam has lost.

Out of Jeanne/Delenn, I'm really damn sure that Jeanne is the scum. Scum!Delenn would have probably pushed my Framer guilty.

@Delenn Any proof I am scum? And I mean real proof, like an action or something, not make believe.

See the whole chart I made with people and alignments and stuffs regarding the different types of roles? If Shiro is town, then there are three Town Randoms (two Criers+a Jailer), and thus you cannot both be roles which fit into the same category. She'd have to be insane not to scumread you.

PEdit Why would I want them to jail you? Runner is the one that needs to be jailed, since he's the Godfather. And frankly, I'll never convince them not to vote me, in a million years. I'm not self-voting, but for town I'm the optimal lynch.

From their PoV, I'm scum, and lynching me is good for obvious reasons.
From my PoV, I'm town, and lynching me will tell them that so that they can carry out that win strategy I talked about.

PEdit PEdit dammit Delenn

Out of Delenn/Jeanne, pretty sure that Jeanne is scum. Several moves of hers are blatantly trying to prevent us from following our winning strategy, for example...

@Shiro don't listen to them, jail me.

Baiting Shiro not to jail Runner - who is almost certainly the Godfather (their killer).

VOTE: Delenn

She is harping on me being scum when clearly I am not. The fact is I know I am town. And seeing she is ignoring that possibility, I think she is consort. I have my sights set on her.

I am town escort

@ika come on, you must have receive some notification. The mod said so couple of posts ago. I am re-checking with them.

Trying to prevent my lynch because she knows I'll flip town, incriminating two of her teammates.

Well, you are insane. Only an insane person would vote a fellow townie in lylo. And I told you, IKA COULD BE LYING.

what does Ika lying have to do with this at all? What about that role stuff that basically confirms you as scum from Delenn's PoV?

That potentially explains the second, but not really the first.

Also, I'm not liking Jeanne's insistent use of the term "fellow townie".

Let me walk you through it.

Only a Godfather or Mafioso can do a night kill.
I blocked Shiro, who confirms that. So I could not have stopped the nightkill.
Jeanne claims to have blocked ika, who has not confirmed. Even if she did, ika has no night action and thus could not have killed. Thus Jeanne didn't stop the kill.
Shiro jailed Runner. Thus runner is the killer or was the kill target. Shiro is conftown.

Dave has a "guilty" on conftown allegedly. He's probably scum reaching for a fast victory rather than a framer existing.

If I am wrong and Dave flips town, Runner is executed, lynch Bella tomorrow. Then Jeanne. Then sort criers.

Also adding to this that Shiro definitely couldn't have been a Godfather being blocked from the NK because I got a "Mafia" result, which you don't get on Godfathers as it's town.

Really sad though. If the RNG for Framer had given me a Cult result, I've had called that and this whole fiasco would be over.

Oh welllll

Identity of the Judge doesn't matter. They can't win if we get the three scum lynched as I'm fairly sure town'll manage considering that two people are confirmed scum once I flip.

Well, here is my answer to you davsto: If ika is lying about not receiving the message, that means I did roleblock her which proves me as an escort. As for role placement, Delenn could be lying about being escort and is actually a consort. However, since you all except Shiro are following Delenn blindly like a sheep, this statement would mean nothing to any of you that isn't Shiro.

Whatwhatwhat?

Can't Consort block things too?

What the hell are you on about?

> I blocked ika so I must be Escort

> meanwhile Delenn blocked someone so they could be Consort

@Dave I am on about how you all are following Delenn like she is speaking the truth and I am a liar while not even considering the possibility that it could be other way around......

Delenn didn't suggest this plan of action of lynch me -> jail and execute runner -> lynch Bella tomorrow -> lynch ??? -> profit. I did. I'm comfortable enough with that.

I am considering the possibility that it is the other way around. This has no change to my actions today.

PEdit everyone has the possibility of being town when they're wanted to be lynched. It's a risk, and without it Mafia would be boring.

PEdit PEdit I'm not advocating for your lynch today, my flip is getting Runner killed and Bella lynched, where the hell do you come into it? What do you want me to do? Or are you just randomly spewing out AtE and flailing in the hope that something good happens?

shiro should nto execute regardless though if runner is gf mostly due to the fact we can keep the nk in check and lynch entirely outside of it and contune

If Shiro doesn't execute scum then scum controls the votes. When I flip town, Runner is confirmed scum, almost certainly Godfather. There are no Mafiosi either so no-one can make the nightkill until there's one scum left, who then becomes Mafioso.

I've thought about this enough because, when I'm the basically-certain lynch for the day, the most useful thing to do is find a way in which town can still win upon my death.

Titus did the actual problem but this post is easier to post - holy selective meta Batman! Because I was town in Netherspite and am not behaving exactly as I did in Netherspite, I absolutely must be scum here! Even if I have towngames which vary and are similar to this! Christ on a bike.

Man, I remember the last time I played a Large Normal.

MarioManiac4 replaced in and had a speedlynch on him, resulting in his death.

He was town.

I'm learning from that lesson. Mario is likely not scum. I've only played one game with scum!Mario, but I definitely don't remember it being like this.

Firebringer has changed his avatar from Toothless and that hurts me.

UNVOTE:

Not sure how I feel about certain players.

MM wagon is likely to contain mostly town with one scum max.

Unsure where to go next.

Mario wagon sucks but everyone's town. I like everyone. Like me too.

So now having vague townreads is buddying? Fucking hell.

That davsto post was kinda scummy tbh.

I mean is there an actual reason or is it just for daring to contradict the easy wagon?

Please don't have a reason to scumread me. Look I objected to the major wagon so I gotta be town. Never mind I am saying everyone's town.

Now this must be buddying, questioning someone's suspicion of me and potentially starting to paint them in a bad light for i- wait a second

isn't that literally the opposite of buddying

?

So anyway I decided to join in on the Annie avvie fun

Obvious buddying. Look I am like everyone else with my Annie avatar.

Need I go on?

Changing my avatar to something silly for a joke is buddying. Riiiiiigggghhhht.

General feel around this point,, RC is likely town.

due to ongoing.

Ongoing game reads. They're like meta but

worse

get to defensive too soon is a scumtell

I don't think I've ever seen this used against scum. Seriously.

Also, oh Christ, fluff, fluff, fluff, it's coming from everywhere like the game is a teddy bear falling apart.

In the interest of cutting through all this fluff,

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Heat

I can get behind this. Plus, I like the people voting for him. Except for AJ, kinda, but nobody's perfect.

Towniness from Grib here - stopping fluff to continue the game will always be townread by me, I admit, but it's surprisingly reliable.

Lady Titus can we form a grand wagon on Zympx?

Explain why Zympx.

Because he needs pressure. He is an absolute zero in the game so far.

Not yet.

People scrambling to counter Davesscum makes me feel like he's more likely to be scum.

Plus his choice and reasons will be valuable. If he doesn't post, he'll be replaced.

There's... quite a lot of people disagreeing with my lynch. Exactly how many scum do you think are in this game?

Spoiler: snip

VOTE:DAVSTO

Because Gamblers fallacy is legit

you're terrible >:c

not moving my vote

Why, pray, is Heartless scum, when he has literally just revealed himself as a Marshall?

I would've really liked to use it later but the chances of this hydra making it very far in this game isn't great given our recent nightkill record.

Let's get cracking.

Get cracking what? Skulls? Because I'm unsure of that.

So basically you're pandering to the confirmed town and buddying up to them knowing that they have the most power in the game right now so hopefully they won't decide to lynch you if you're nice to them? Because that's the air that I'm getting.

What do you think?

I probably should have done this while discussing with Spiffeh but I don't think I actually did (which is also why I dislike the "overreacted to the vote on me" comment considering there wasn't one).

VOTE: Spiffeh

Oh well. It's not like we gained a ridiculous amount of info from said flip. Mod errors happen.

Anyway, who's the next scum?

VOTE: hiplop

^There's the idea.

And, from these posts alone, you have magically deduced that they are scum how exactly?

Selected some posts. Town Dave is aggressive analyzes posts and takes the exact opposite position on gambler's fallacy he took here.

Selective metaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

VOTE: Titus

We should lynch her before she goes all VCA on us.

That is an RVS vote by scum on me in another game. Said player then claimed it was a joke.

To be honest I almost never understand vote count analysis. I've only understood it when reading the hidden temple game since it was obvious with how it was scum vs molla and all scum were on molla. I find vote count analysis confusing usually and I guess xtoxm thinks titus would use it to her advantage. xtoxm probably finished another game with titus elsewhere where titus used VCA to her advantage and xtoxm was thus trying to get back at her during rvs

_____________

UNVOTE:

until caught up

BM was scum in a game I just finished. One head of the hydra voted me in RVS because I was a threat and rightfully called out on it. When called out on it, the other head walked it back saying it was ribbing me.

Dave makes a vote based on me allegedly being a threat. He then claims joke.

Don't think so.

Many times scum fear monger me. Not today.

Okay, fuck this shit. Like, actually fuck this shit.

Even if you ignore the rest of this post for whatever reason, read this shit because it is important as hell.

Now, the game she links, she selectively chooses someone who was scum because they joked about something and then made it serious later. Not to mention the fact that mine was obviously a joke (hate of gambler's fallacy and all), and that I haven't actually made it serious yet (and never will). These are nothing compared to the worst part of this.

Click on that link.

Go on.

Scroll down a bit.

Do you see a post that catches your eye?

How about this one?

Also:
VOTE: Titus

Titus is always scum.

True facts man.
True facts.

See this? This was literally in the same fucking game, this guy was town, and basically said what I said. But no, she picks the example that allows her to paint me as scummy as possible.

This is why,
VOTE: Titus.

I know this post has been Titus-centric, but she has posted the most stuff that catches my eye. I just don't feel that anyone who would provide the meta thing from Magick and remember it so well to use it to compare to me to show how I must be scum would miss the post literally 9 posts down that comes from town in the same situation (RVS!) making the same sort of joke (Titus is always scum lol) is town trying to think about if they're right or not in any way.

[Dwlee99]

Wow, you actually looked at the game.

[Dwlee99]

I was too lazy to actually look at it lol

[Titus]

Yup that post is the same fucking game and clearly an RVS joke sheep. Your mirrored scum almost verbatim that I had seen. Scum try to start wagons on me in RVS. Firebringer has that sort of jokey personality. You don't get to match established scum motivation and then try to pidgeonhile posts to fit.

You whine about selective meta, but you don't resemble anything close to an inquisitive nature. Even here, you aren't focused on solving the game but your own survival and to discredit me. That's the sole point of your vote.

Why haven't you interacted with Dwelee regarding the Pistachion wagon at all? You don't care to sort either.

I guaranfuckingtee that Davesto is scum. If he flips town, turbolynch me tomorrow.

[Shiro]

If he flips town, turbolynch me tomorrow.

Should we really talk about how anti-town that line is ?

[Titus]

If he flips town, turbolynch me tomorrow.

Should we really talk about how anti-town that line is ?

It's not because the promise is illusory. Dave's flipping scum.

[Davsto]

Yup that post is the same fucking game and clearly an RVS joke sheep.

And mine... isn't clearly an RVS joke? Considering my known hatred of gambler's fallacy, you think I would be even close to being serious by making a vote on you in what is fairly obviously RVS territory regarding your reputation for often being scum?

Your mirrored scum almost verbatim that I had seen.

I also mirrored town very similarly that you had seen.

Scum try to start wagons on me in RVS.

How I RVS: pick a name from the playerlist I can say something silly about them, or just pick a random name. I find it amusing that you think me happening to choose you has any sort of ulterior motivation.

Firebringer has that sort of jokey personality.

And me, who modded a game called

PUN

Mafia, all about

PUN

s, and who is also known for making

PUN

s and the like isn't? Alright.

You don't get to match established scum motivation and then try to pidgeonhile posts to fit.

I find it amusing that you're describing exactly what you're doing; pigeonholing. You use the example that can paint me as scummy whilst ignoring one that doesn't allow you to paint me as scum - the RVS joke vote on you because "when aren't you scum"/"you're always scum". The fact that you don't even look at it tells me you aren't even trying to consider your thoughts on me - you just want me lynched because I'm an easy target.

You whine about selective meta, but you don't resemble anything close to an inquisitive nature.

"You whine about me doing X, but let me tell you something completely unrelated that you're not doing so you can just forget about my first point".

Even here, you aren't focused on solving the game but your own survival and to discredit me. That's the sole point of your vote.

Damn, you got me. I'm not trying to solve the game by reconsidering my vote on RC and putting it on you for perfectly good reasons, I'm obviously just trying to discredit you by pointing out how your logic is flawed.

Can we also talk about Titus' slight case of backpedalling? How earlier she acted as if my buddying was the biggest factor in me being scum, then not actually showing any buddying from me until after at least 3 or so players bugged her for it, and then when that's called out as not being buddied she acts as if my RVS vote was the biggest reason that I must be scum all along.

Why haven't you interacted with Dwelee regarding the Pistachion wagon at all? You don't care to sort either.

What is there to say? "Someone I don't really have a read on has a scumread on someone I don't really have a read on. I got no read from this." I comment on what I find important, because focusing on what's important massively reduces distracting rubbish like that would end up being. Someone thinks someone else is scum? Why should I care, I've found scum myself!

[Titus]

Yup that post is the same fucking game and clearly an RVS joke sheep.

And mine... isn't clearly an RVS joke? Considering my known hatred of gambler's fallacy, you think I would be even close to being serious by making a vote on you in what is fairly obviously RVS territory regarding your reputation for often being scum?

Your mirrored scum almost verbatim that I had seen.

I also mirrored town very similarly that you had seen.

Scum try to start wagons on me in RVS.

How I RVS: pick a name from the playerlist I can say something silly about them, or just pick a random name. I find it amusing that you think me happening to choose you has any sort of ulterior motivation.

Firebringer has that sort of jokey personality.

And me, who modded a game called

PUN

Mafia, all about

PUN

s, and who is also known for making

PUN

s and the like isn't? Alright.

You don't get to match established scum motivation and then try to pidgeonhile posts to fit.

I find it amusing that you're describing exactly what you're doing; pigeonholing. You use the example that can paint me as scummy whilst ignoring one that doesn't allow you to paint me as scum - the RVS joke vote on you because "when aren't you scum"/"you're always scum". The fact that you don't even look at it tells me you aren't even trying to consider your thoughts on me - you just want me lynched because I'm an easy target.

You whine about selective meta, but you don't resemble anything close to an inquisitive nature.

"You whine about me doing X, but let me tell you something completely unrelated that you're not doing so you can just forget about my first point".

Even here, you aren't focused on solving the game but your own survival and to discredit me. That's the sole point of your vote.

Damn, you got me. I'm not trying to solve the game by reconsidering my vote on RC and putting it on you for perfectly good reasons, I'm obviously just trying to discredit you by pointing out how your logic is flawed.

Can we also talk about Titus' slight case of backpedalling? How earlier she acted as if my buddying was the biggest factor in me being scum, then not actually showing any buddying from me until after at least 3 or so players bugged her for it, and then when that's called out as not being buddied she acts as if my RVS vote was the biggest reason that I must be scum all along.

Why haven't you interacted with Dwelee regarding the Pistachion wagon at all? You don't care to sort either.

What is there to say? "Someone I don't really have a read on has a scumread on someone I don't really have a read on. I got no read from this." I comment on what I find important, because focusing on what's important massively reduces distracting rubbish like that would end up being. Someone thinks someone else is scum? Why should I care, I've found scum myself!

No. You wouldn't jokingly push a gambler's fallacy as town. You didn't closely resemble town. Fire was joking. You tried to make the exact same emphasis in the exact same manner as known scum. Your post wasn't a pun or a joke.

I didn't show the buddying because it was obvious. You're not investigating but just stating everyone is town and minimally having confrontation after being called out.

You're not an easy target at all Dave, that's blatant ate that's not true.

You're not "reconsidering RC" you just moved to the biggest threat against you. You didn't argue RC was town, just that Zi was scum.

[Titus]

Delete, please I guarantee Dave is scum. *bats eyelashes* I have been really hot with me reads lately too.

[Titus]

Dwlee = delete. Damn autocorrect.

[Dwlee99]

Just add me to your dictionary, titus. But I am convinced by the research dave did. Let's lynch pistachio.

[Titus]

I am not backing off on guaranteed scum. We can lynch Pistachio tomorrow. If that doesn't happen because of a cop guilty and you keep me alive, he'll be dead by Day 4.

You get angry cake N2. Meet me half way.

[Firebringer]

This doesn't seem like scumDavsto response to pressure, it seems like annoyed townDavsto.

@Shiro It was a game best left unspoken, for it was complete and utter troll. Town won though.

[Aj The Epic]

Dav lynch probably isn't a good choice. Titus, you're almost ego-hunting on this "Scum RVS me" reason.

[Titus]

If it matches 100% of the time, who cares the size of my ego? If someone makes the same exact post as scum (Mastina 2) with the same exact professed response as scum (BM) with a complete and total departure from his town meta, what more do I need? Of course Dave's frustrated. Scum get frustrated when caught.

#frustrated.

Y'all can keep hunting. Dave is scum. Maybe we get lucky and I will have a pool that has all the scum day one.

[RadiantCowbells]

Titus seems legitimately upset here.

I'm inclined to think her town here right now.

[Dwlee99]

I am almost certain this whole thing is a town v town.

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't really have a read on Dave, but my confidence in Titus isn't high enough to merit me fully reading him.

[RadiantCowbells]

Eh, fine. I'm rereading him.