Machina Mafia (Game over!)

[Kamigami]

I want dead thread access mods pls

I'm pretty busy atm, I'll do post-game stuff as soon as possible.

that's fair, but can you release the dead and scum threads before any of the other work?

I just wanan read it

unlocking atm, only one hand available.

[Kamigami]

Scum: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=64549
dead: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=64713
titus's hood: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=64548
mod PT: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=64321

[Titus]

I am going to need distance from this but definitely to review it. I wish there was a way to automate an email to review this in 3 months.

[Spiffeh]

LLD played fantastically

Her scumteam did like nothing after Day 2 and the setup was townsided and she still pulled off a win.

I believe this is an appropriate conclusion

[DiamondSentinel]

Nice job Titus. You belittled Wisdom, made me discredit his read list, and then caused our best hope to die.

I hope this game was a rude awakening for you. Start listening to people.

[DiamondSentinel]

Also, setup wasn't town sided. A scum watcher rendered the role useless, a role cop is 100% useless for town, and the only alignment cop was easily killed, because there was no protection role whatsoever. The fact that town took it that far shows that scum played poorly.

But I do guess that shows that all it takes is 1 decent scum player.

[Titus]

I just skimmed the dead chat and saw Wisdom regretting not making a stink on LLD. I am kinda sad he didn't. We had LLD kinda nullish and Nether scum in the people that died early. Maybe I saw what matched my belief though.

If I was a doormat, you would have been dead DS.

[DiamondSentinel]

Oh, and that's not to say that it wasn't enjoyable. I did enjoy the setup, Kagami. Nicely done.

PEdit: Yeah, stop using site lingo with me. I don't understand it. I have no idea what you mean by doormat.

[pieguyn]

sorry again i had to replace out (@Marquis, MOD, and anyone else who might have been affected by this)- i was literally so far behind that i was outright missing posts and i didn't even realize i was missing them (something that's never happened to me before in a game). that plus a bunch of really aggressive players at the same time and i couldn't get any hold in the game at all.

like, i actually got bored when i had some extra time at work at one point and skimmed this thread sometime D6 or so and found a bunch of Nacho posts directed to me D1 which i didn't even know existed, which obviously affected his read on our slot for some time. -.-

the last day was exciting to watch

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'll be honest with you this game was major town sided.

For the simple fact that Recievers were the real power roles in this game, and there were no scum usable power roles to really balance.

Like, how do I put this.

Town had too much redundancy to not be advantaged in this game. Even if we get lucky and kill their cop, the GM could always randomly assign a new one, and boom, there you go.

The GM wwas near impossible to kill, as a result of having to take care of other roles. Our roleblock on kill only hits Sensors and Emitters, it doesn't roleblock otherwise.

[Titus]

Oh, and that's not to say that it wasn't enjoyable. I did enjoy the setup, Kagami. Nicely done.

PEdit: Yeah, stop using site lingo with me. I don't understand it. I have no idea what you mean by doormat.

Doormat is not site lingo. It's a word for someone who let's others walk on them.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Town just had a lot of redundancy, good power, and a topic to tie it all together so they could coordinate actions.

That's kind of really powerful.

Maybe if the roles went out differently. Maybe had scum been given te Rolestop emitter, or the Cop.

Maybe we could have had more freedom to do things.

As it was, I had my hands more or less repeatedly tied in this game and it was frustrating as all hell.

[Titus]

Fwiw, your frustration was genuine LLD. It really helped fool me. You played really well.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD played fantastically

Her scumteam did like nothing after Day 2 and the setup was townsided and she still pulled off a win.

I believe this is an appropriate conclusion

Thanks.

I really wanted to like.... prove something here.

I wanted to prove I was good at this game to people. That I could genuinely do the things I say I can do, and prove those who doubt me wrong.

It's funny, I warned town like 5 or 6 times "this is the optimal play" "don't go for the sub optimal play"

and they just kept doing it, and letting me back in the game.

Kind of insane.

[Antihero]

I am going to need distance from this but definitely to review it. I wish there was a way to automate an email to review this in 3 months.

bad reads happen, but you were definitely slow to re-evaluate things once it became apparent your view of the gamestate was out of whack

this could have happened in a number of places:
>when snarky flipped town
>when someone in your lynch pool got NIGHTKILLED
>when yakko flipped town
>when peregrine flipped town
>when marquis flipped town

any one of those things should've told you "this townbloc i have doesn't make sense" but you never seemed to actually make an effort to radically adjust course

i'm not saying this to be mean, i'm just saying how i perceive it. take it or leave it i guess.

[Titus]

LLD played fantastically

Her scumteam did like nothing after Day 2 and the setup was townsided and she still pulled off a win.

I believe this is an appropriate conclusion

Thanks.

I really wanted to like.... prove something here.

I wanted to prove I was good at this game to people. That I could genuinely do the things I say I can do, and prove those who doubt me wrong.

It's funny, I warned town like 5 or 6 times "this is the optimal play" "don't go for the sub optimal play"

and they just kept doing it, and letting me back in the game.

Kind of insane.

*sees my own scumplay described*

*wonders why I didn't see it*

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I mean, I don't play like you even remotely.

I was basically ignoring you, Titus. I was focused on mindgaming DS for the last 2 days. First, to try and get him to target Marquis, so I could kill FB, then to get him to lynch Marquis.

Seriously, Marquis, you did amazing. I think the only mistake you made, silly as it is to say, was switching onto me as the end of the day you were lynched.

DS was ready to lynch and didn't want to wait much longer. You probably win that lylo situation, if you just stay on Titus.

But taking Titus out of lynch range kind of killed you I think. Maybe not, dunno what DS thought, but that was my perspective on it

[Titus]

I am going to need distance from this but definitely to review it. I wish there was a way to automate an email to review this in 3 months.

bad reads happen, but you were definitely slow to re-evaluate things once it became apparent your view of the gamestate was out of whack

this could have happened in a number of places:
>when snarky flipped town
>when someone in your lynch pool got NIGHTKILLED
>when yakko flipped town
>when peregrine flipped town
>when marquis flipped town

any one of those things should've told you "this townbloc i have doesn't make sense" but you never seemed to actually make an effort to radically adjust course

i'm not saying this to be mean, i'm just saying how i perceive it. take it or leave it i guess.

This is true. I am slow to readjust if nothing changed my premises.

When Yakko flipped it did change things. His death meant my reads had to be wrong. I do need to calibrate some on when to adjust without being proven wrong.

I do rely too much on proof but my perspective is solving the game literally.

[Titus]

LLD, that comment about telling town the optimal play and watching them avoid it is textbook Titus scum. I meant that particular aspect.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Yeah and that perspective fucking sucks Titus.

Because there will always be people like me who won't meat your logical expectations and will steamroll the shit out of you for trying.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also, Wisdom, you annoying motherfucker.

Stop only joining games where I'm scum god dammit. I don't think you've played a single game with me where I was town.

>.>

[Titus]

Yeah, and I don't meet normal emotional ranges. My brain functions really fast on data and setup and sometimes I forget not everyone's like me. From my own perspective, laser focus D1 is bad but from other types it's good. To me, D1 is about going every which way and then sorting it out. Others take a different approach. I knew Imperium was trying to reach me by saying I wasn't being helpful. It's why I hard townread them.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Did I mention it was my secret win condition to leave you alive through LYLO Titus?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

cause it totally was

[Titus]

*hugs*

I got no hard feelings LLD.