Mini 1755: Game Over

[AxleGreaser]

play like you are town and see what happens then?

[Heat]

Hello! I am feeling slightly better than last night so I will have a look at ur post now axle

Also I want RC's input b4 we lynch

[Heat]

Rob is full of contradictions and opportunism

Your filter contains no mention that i can see of you mentioning those before now.

just bc I don't mention them doesn't mean I'm not thinking of them, thank u very much

Your question to Rob is...

unless im suddenly blind, rob never included me in his reads list

where u at wrt me?

and yeah you are blind

Spoiler: older stuff

The position of GR on heat has been clear, scum read Heat but never gets up to voting, or following up on the questions they have not had the chance to ask.
heat: Always the bridesmaid.

D1

Not going to be here for the next two days but I want a lynch on either Heat, UTL and Ras.

the interaction between Heat and UTL because frankly, they might be scum partners.

As I stated

before

, I definitely think that one of them is scum.

but i admit it was not in fact stated

before

.

Oh yeah, that vote on UCL can easily change to Heat.

I want to hear more from Heat since I've not had a chance to ask him questions and see his response.

So yeah GR, definitely thought one of you and UTL was scum.

and while the most recent read list did leave you out

Oh yeah add Heat to the Leaning Scum as well, forgot about him.

I guess I wasn't remembering this when I posted the question.

Which lacks >>>why<<< altogether.

So perhaps as GR is going to be posting reasons, the lean scum on you...

You could likewise give reasons for your read on GR.

I'm going to be flat out honest with you, I'm sheeping my townreads here because I don't trust myself this game, as my beginning reads were really not all that good. (ie. ras flipping scum, AI flipping town, perf flipping town. all of them were wrong) Me giving reasons for why I scumread GR are really just gonna be a reiteration of why theres a case on him, but I'll do it anyways

Reasons why I don't like GR
-GR was strong townreading performer, and then within the span of a few posts completely flipped his read. It's really oppourtunistic, and especially considering we know that performer is town.
-GR will not actually capitalize on his scumread of me, even though axle has given him multiple ways to do it. Like, GR is sure I'm scum. He won't vote me.
-This is preflip associations but Ircher jumping off the wagon suddenly setting of mega alarm bells

and then theres this particular part of a post, referring to Axle wanting to lynch me tomorrow

Yes because when I flip scum, you can charge right at him. BE. MY. GUEST.

and idk it just reminds me of a scumslip

[Boonskiies]

RadiantCowbells
pisskop
AxleGreaser
massive

UpTooLate
Heat

Ircher

Golden Robster

this is where I am right now. Need to pay more attention to Heat/U2L

[Boonskiies]

I could see a potential Golden/Heat team.

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't think that Golden Robster is gonna flip scum here.

I'd rather lynch UTL.

[Boonskiies]

I''d rather Golden claim before we switch onto a new wagon.

[UpTooLate]

Yes because when I flip scum, you can charge right at him. BE. MY. GUEST.

What do you mean when you flip scum?

[Boonskiies]

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

[Boonskiies]

Honestly, there are just too many reasons not to lynch anyone else at this point. We get loads of new information even if we are somehow incorrect on Golden.


Golden, you are at a figurative L-1. Claim. We are purposely not putting you there so you don't get instahammered.

[Boonskiies]

The scum team is Ircher/Golden.

Those were good shots, though. Golden. Keyser and AlwaysInnocent. I imagine your next shot would have been Axle, so also nice shot.

[Boonskiies]

I'll post throughout the day, but I work, so don't expect responses down the wazoo.

[RadiantCowbells]

I really don't wanna lynch Golden.

[Ircher]

Yeah, ok, I need to make sure my facts are straight.

Spoiler: D2 Notes

1. In 871, Dier posts the N1 NK who is AI in this case. The flip was Town JoaT.

2. If it helps anyone, I will remind you that my D1 notes are in 877.

3. Boon lol-votes Performer in 888. -

A bit strange, but I forget Boon's D1 reads aside from myself. -

Null-Scum Indicative

4. 1st NK theory is in 904 by Performer: AI was NK'd because he was on the right track (PK/Heat/UTL)

5. Keyser's D1 Analysis is in 930, 967, 961, 964, 970, 979, and 982

6. My NK theory is in 966.

7. I just realized something!!! - In 948, Droog speculates about N0 actions -

That's actually impossible. Any changes to the Day/Night cycle (prior to Feb 5 change which bans it altogether) MUST be announced by the mod beforehand in normal games! Now, as far as town or scum, I could see it either way.

8. In 1049, Heat has a problem with the two questions I posed to UTL. -

When I asked the first one, I wasn't expecting an answer based on UTL's specific thoughts, I wanted a more general answer. So, I rephrased the question in a way that I got more of the type of answer I was expecting. Not that his answer really changed, but that his answer was more useful the second time. I can see some doubts as expressed by UTL to be acceptable, but Heat trying to paint it as scum trying to gain towncred was over the top and slightly opportunistic. -

Null-Scum Indicative

9. In 1062, Boon demands I just vote Performer. -

As much as I want to say this is scum trying to get players to somewhat quicklynch Performer, I just don't see that coming from Boon. It seems more likely a Boon who is just extremely frustrated with me and Performer and wants the day to end. Yes, I consider this a gut read for the most part despite the fact that I would generally think scum would encourage such behavior. -

Town-Indicative

10. Golden gives a list of scenarios in 1133. -

We can rule out 1 and 4 so we are left with 2 and 3. Imho, 2 sounds more plausible right now, so by Golden"s own words --

Very Scum Indicative

11. We need to reconsider the weight of !1147 and 1148 by Performer. I think we kinda forgot about them, but they could mean a lot. Also, note that Golden was being scumread by Performer at this point....

12. In 1151, Axle believes there are multiple nks. -

WHY???

13. The (still) unexplained vote switch by PK in 1177 -

Normal PK behavior -

Null-Indicative

14. Look, we even have a confession in 1231 that Golden's scum! :p

Not super useful, but yeah, evidence points towards Golden still.
Edit:

Yeah, I'm sticking with Golden....
VOTE: Golden Robster
And yes, I expect Axle to get nk'd next (Axle -- if you are pr, you better claim now... ESPECIALLY IF YOU ARE VIG).

[Ircher]

I really don't wanna lynch Golden.

gWhy not???

[Heat]

And yes, I expect Axle to get nk'd next (Axle -- if you are pr, you better claim now... ESPECIALLY IF YOU ARE VIG).

how does this help town in any way?

[Ircher]

Cuz if he gets nk'd and is a pr, then his ability will be wasted like ai and keyser's.

[Ircher]

I have a good feeling he is vig as he stated he strongly believed in multiple nks. The fact we only have had one nk a night rules out sk. So, vig is the only other nk source I can think of.

[Heat]

first of all kill =/= roleblock
2nd of all, him claiming only helps scum by telling them where they should kill

no. The only person who should claim is GR

[Heat]

RC, if the GR lynch doesn't go through, what do you think about an Ircher lynch?

[Ircher]

Spoiler: Reads

Confirmed Town

(From my perspective):
Ircher - Role PM

Likely Town

Axle - If Golden flips town and you aren't nk'd, I'm going to be highly suspect of this slot.

Leaning Town

PK - He's being his usual self.
Boon - Regardless of how wrong he is about me being scum, I can tell he is being genuine at this point.
RC - Barely. I want more here, my townread is based off of Droog; I haven't been very fond of this slot D3.

Null

Neutral

UTL - Starting to townread this slot a bit more, but mainly by PoE.
Heat - Starting to scumread this slot mainly cuz it just no longer seems genuine anymore.
Massive - Technically should put him in the null category as I see this slot as 50/50, but he's posted enough for more than a null read.

Leaning Scum

Likely Scum

GoldenRobster - It just cannot be more obvious at this point.

For future reference -- Null indicates an absense of a read while neutral indicates a weak or mixed read. Null reads would only be present at the beginning of a game by my definition.

[Ircher]

first of all kill =/= roleblock
2nd of all, him claiming only helps scum by telling them where they should kill

no. The only person who should claim is GR

How do you know mafia has a RB?

So far, we have a Mafia Vanilla/Non-Vanilla Cop, A Town JoaT, and a Town Doctor.

[Ircher]

Plus, logically, Axle would be the next nk.

They'd want me alive for sure.
PK's stubborness would be beneficial to them.
And, they wouldn't nk themselves. (Boon, RC, Heat, Rob, Massive)

[Heat]

first of all kill =/= roleblock
2nd of all, him claiming only helps scum by telling them where they should kill

no. The only person who should claim is GR

How do you know mafia has a RB?

So far, we have a Mafia Vanilla/Non-Vanilla Cop, A Town JoaT, and a Town Doctor.

I don't
You say we lose that PR for the night, but we really don't (unless its a cop) because a kill doesn't mean the role is roleblocked. So if he's a vig, the kill should still go through, a doctor's protection would still go through, a jailkeepers target will still get jailed

[Heat]

but you're blatantly rolefishing when we really can't afford it
you were doing some pretty bad fearmongering early today

I'm back to not liking ur slot again