Mini 1749: Classic Rock Mafia: Game Over!

[RadiantCowbells]

Classic Rock Mafia:

Votecount #5.73:

Davesaz (1): Aeronaut
Aj The Epic (0):
AlwaysInnocent (0):
Frozen Angel (0):
Aeronaut (0):



Not voting: Frozen Angel, AlwaysInnocent, Aj The Epic, Davesaz

With 5 alive it's 3 to lynch.

Night falls in (expired on 2016-02-16 14:00:00).

Song:

ACDC: Jailbreak

Notes:

5 of you remain.

[davesaz]

VOTE: AlwaysInnocent

[AlwaysInnocent]

I don't understand wanting to go for a miller at this point. Unless you see something to say that was just a gambit, I'm not a fan of lynching it.

But if it's not Dave, and it's not you, then who is the remaining scum? I can tell you it isn't me either.

[Aj The Epic]

My leaning has been you and Dier. I was wrong on dier so I'm being more cautious, but the only thought I had was if there was going to be two scum left, it would've been dier+FA. I don't think FA is scum with you, largely because Dier was the only questionable interactions that I associated with her. I don't see a case for dav, neither him nor his predecessor have concerned me. So currently I am inclined to believe it is you.

[AlwaysInnocent]

Well, I don't think it's you. Even though I was wrong about Dierfire, I feel that we were both wrong about Dierfire. We both had each other as potential scum candidates and preferred Dierfire over each other. I thought it was a solid case, but it was not. And for this, I am sorry, Dierfire. You were being honest all this time and I kept seeing you as a liar. It is not impossible that you are scum, but I am inclined to believe we had a similar thought process because we were both town.

Since this is not LYLO, I am wondering who you would consider as the last scum if I flipped town?

[AlwaysInnocent]

I want everyone alive to answer this question.

Suppose that I am town. Who could the remaining scum be?

[AlwaysInnocent]

My leaning has been you and Dier. I was wrong on dier so I'm being more cautious, but the only thought I had was if there was going to be two scum left, it would've been dier+FA. I don't think FA is scum with you, largely because Dier was the only questionable interactions that I associated with her. I don't see a case for dav, neither him nor his predecessor have concerned me. So currently I am inclined to believe it is you.

Two scum left? I assume there is only one scum left?

[AlwaysInnocent]

So... Where is everybody?

[Frozen Angel]

ok sorry for absence

I will do something tonight

[Aj The Epic]

Two scum left? I assume there is only one scum left?

It was made yesterday (dier+FA being a possibility). I think because of the slip we're at a 1 scum game since FA doesn't have any connections left. And at that point, I want to believe it's you since I had you as scum from day 1.

[AlwaysInnocent]

I want to believe it's you since I had you as scum from day 1.

Just because you want to believe it doesn't make it true. I learned this the hard way with Dierfire.

[Aeronaut]

will post tonight

[Aj The Epic]

I want to believe it's you since I had you as scum from day 1.

Just because you want to believe it doesn't make it true. I learned this the hard way with Dierfire.

You could've been 100x more convincing here by showing any sort of real concern.

+The fact that you too are not considering me as scum, at all. The way you talk to me suggests you believe me to be town, but your sentence wants you to imply some indecision on your own part. However, this contradicts yourself unless you're considering one or aero/fa scum.

[Frozen Angel]

Ok lets not make this to lylo

Aero is definitely town unless as a mafia he targeted Dire that night. (the flavor or his reports would have been the same) He is so likely town

Dave miller thingy is considerable.in a scum team with day chat ABR would have stop the miller clame (thats my assumption) so as I still struggle to see a thing in his ISO to warm me I think that make him town

So we have Aj and AI as scum as I said last day.

commenting about Aj is so hard for me. I have to admit he is the type I can't have a decent read on.

AI way of asking for votes on dave without voting him today is way too concerning for me. plus he reacted weak to dire flip. not sure what should I make about that.

[davesaz]

I'm voting for scum. Join me for the win.

[AlwaysInnocent]

I want to believe it's you since I had you as scum from day 1.

Just because you want to believe it doesn't make it true. I learned this the hard way with Dierfire.

You could've been 100x more convincing here by showing any sort of real concern.

+The fact that you too are not considering me as scum, at all. The way you talk to me suggests you believe me to be town, but your sentence wants you to imply some indecision on your own part. However, this contradicts yourself unless you're considering one or aero/fa scum.

What the hell are you talking about? This has to do with you being wrong as town. There is still some indecision on my part (being wrong about Dierfire kind of screwed me over), but my sentence didn't imply that in any way.

You're forgetting about Dave, by the way.

[Frozen Angel]

Whats your case on Dave, AI ?

[AlwaysInnocent]

The case on Dave is actually the same case as on Albert B.

Does this mean I am confident? No. I shouldn't be confident after being wrong so many times. So I leave it up to you to sort it out.

[davesaz]

Just vote AI and end this.

[Frozen Angel]

The case on Dave is actually the same case as on Albert B.

Does this mean I am confident? No. I shouldn't be confident after being wrong so many times. So I leave it up to you to sort it out.

Honestly this is the scummiest post of you whole game long. The only towny thing in dave that I see is that ABR wouldn't let him claim in day 1 (as we know game has day chat)

there is basically no similarity in this, we knew 1 of the ABR , dave was scum for that role conflicts and we got a scum from it.

you leave it up to me is the worst thing you can do. get up and do something if your town

[AlwaysInnocent]

Backtrack some more. You managed to convince me that Albert B. was scum because the roles didn't match up.

There couldn't be both a Miller and Ascetic in this game. This was deemed unfair for town. So Albert B had to be lying right? But Albert B was actually an Ascetic.

So either

1) There is actually a Miller and the game has too many investigation immune/tampering roles. We lynched Albert B because this was deemed unlikely.
2) Or Taly was lying from the start because he knew he would not be counterclaimed.

Which one is it?

[davesaz]

A scum ascetic and a town miller balance each other. No reason both can't exist.

AI is just trying to cast doubt by forgetting to mention that ABR was scum.

The whole discussion was on the impossibility of both of those roles being present

as town

. A scum flip for ABR makes it

more likely

that town has a miller.
Taly did the right thing by claiming it right away, and I did the right thing by confirming it right away as soon as I replaced in.

[davesaz]

Also remember that ascetic is not just investigation immune -- it is immune to everything else too. It is a more powerful role than miller.
In fact, ascetic is positive utility for scum where miller is negative utility for town.

[AlwaysInnocent]

A scum ascetic and a town miller balance each other. No reason both can't exist.

They don't balance each other. They make the Cop role even weaker.

AI is just trying to cast doubt by forgetting to mention that ABR was scum.

Holy shit. When did I "forget" to mention that?

The whole discussion was on the impossibility of both of those roles being present

as town

.

That

and

them both being in the same setup. Ascetic still negatively influences the EV of Town.

A scum flip for ABR makes it

more likely

that town has a miller.

I have never heard of that one before. Statistics or it didn't happen.

The only thing I know is that a Miller or Ascetic necessitate the existence of a Cop.

Taly did the right thing by claiming it right away, and I did the right thing by confirming it right away as soon as I replaced in.

Right. If you are town, it was the best thing to do. But I'm wondering whether it was not an elaborate hoax.

[AlwaysInnocent]

Also remember that ascetic is not just investigation immune -- it is immune to everything else too. It is a more powerful role than miller.
In fact, ascetic is positive utility for scum where miller is negative utility for town.

Ascetic has negative utility for Town, regardless of the alignment of the Ascetic.