NY 193 : Werewolf Mania (GAME OVER- TOWN WIN)

[Xkfyu]

Nero? Simple. No GD scum will EVER be exclusively tunneling someone they know to be town for 3 days. He's been too much of an annoyance if we were on a better situation I'd be tempted to lynch him just to get rid of the headache.

I really can't wait until I'm scum in a game outside of a Newbie Game on this site.

[Xkfyu]

Almost, please answer my questions. They are starting to pile up.

How many times have you been lynched as a Town Cop?

And just for the record, how many games have you played in total?

Nobody still thinks you're town. That's what I'm saying. You've screwed yourself over,

We're moving in circles. If they think I'm scum I could easily get lynched. It's not that hard to rally against me given my overall posting style and how I've been acting since the word go.

Two questions from this:

1. If your overall posting style makes it easy for you to be lynched, then why don't you change it? It's Town's job to find scum. If you're town, and you are posting in a way that you know will make town want to lynch you, and you're aware of this fact (which you obviously are), then it could be argued that you are playing against your win condition.

2. If your overall posting style makes it easy for you to be lynched, then if you're town, then why hasn't scum taken the opportunity to push for your lynch? D1 and D2 I can understand why they would hold off. However, it's D3, and they are starting to run out of reasonably possible mislynches.

[Almost50]

@Xk: I don't feel like debating with you right now. I'm trying to clear my mind, so not in the mood. Off the top of my head I can recall my most recent 3 cop roles (none on this site though). Actually, make that 4 (including one SCUM rolecop role). I got lynched on D1 once, I got NK'd on N1 once, I got lynched on D3 (only bc D1 ended in a NL) as the scum rolecop, and the one time I lived through the game was due to my total lack of knowledge of the flavour of the show. I was a rolecop too, but the clues I got were indirect. They were images from the show pointing to what was most important on my target's mind. I misinterpreted the results I got, so I messed up the game more.

In total I may have played 12-15 games so far. Certainly no more than 20.

[PeregrineV]

Prodded. But it's Monday anyway, so I'm here.

[Xkfyu]

@Xk: I don't feel like debating with you right now. I'm trying to clear my mind, so not in the mood. Off the top of my head I can recall my most recent 3 cop roles (none on this site though). Actually, make that 4 (including one SCUM rolecop role). I got lynched on D1 once, I got NK'd on N1 once, I got lynched on D3 (only bc D1 ended in a NL) as the scum rolecop, and the one time I lived through the game was due to my total lack of knowledge of the flavour of the show. I was a rolecop too, but the clues I got were indirect. They were images from the show pointing to what was most important on my target's mind. I misinterpreted the results I got, so I messed up the game more.

In total I may have played 12-15 games so far. Certainly no more than 20.

Ok. Well, if I weed through the completely useless information that I didn't ask for, I can now answer the question myself.

Out of about 15 games played (certainly no more than 20), you've been lynched as a Town Cop just one time.

That certainly doesn't justify this statement:

Do you think SRMP is town

I'm inclined to believe his claim, or -at the very least- give him one more chance to prove it. You don't know how many times I got lynched being the TOWN COP.

So, what was that? Just fear-mongering?

[PeregrineV]

somewhat doubt that town has a tracker and a seer.

think it's much more likely that the tracker is a scumtracker.

Yeah, because they are the same except they are not?

[Xkfyu]

I don't feel like debating with you right now. I'm trying to clear my mind, so not in the mood.

So, when should I expect answers to the rest of my questions?

What would you say is a reasonable amount of time for me to give you to come up with some decent answers?

(I'm not willing to wait until D4, by the way)

[PeregrineV]

1- If RC is telling the truth
2- If we're both telling the truth
3- If me, RC & SRMP are telling the truth

So, you're basing your argument on assuming RC is telling the truth no matter what. Any particular reason why you won't even consider RC playing a gambit? Not even a shade of doubt??

P-edit: Is Gladiator "not" normal?

Our argument was in the context of RC being town, and having a PR. Just because I don't mention that he could be scum in one post doesn't imply that I don't think it's possible.

And the wiki doesn't specifically state whether Gladiator is "normal" or "not normal." Here's the link:

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Gladiator

I don't get the feeling that a game with a Gladiator would be approved for Normalcy. However, if I'm wrong, then the mod will confirm it, and then I'll reconsider my options.

Gladiator is not exlcuded, and is inlcuded by the fact it is not excluded, and by the phrase

Roles which are explicitly Normal for Town include:

Vanilla Townie, Friendly Neighbor, Innocent Child, Mason, Miller, Vigilante,

any roles listed "for any alignment"

[BlackStar]

1- If RC is telling the truth
2- If we're both telling the truth
3- If me, RC & SRMP are telling the truth

So, you're basing your argument on assuming RC is telling the truth no matter what. Any particular reason why you won't even consider RC playing a gambit? Not even a shade of doubt??

P-edit: Is Gladiator "not" normal?

Our argument was in the context of RC being town, and having a PR. Just because I don't mention that he could be scum in one post doesn't imply that I don't think it's possible.

And the wiki doesn't specifically state whether Gladiator is "normal" or "not normal." Here's the link:

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Gladiator

I don't get the feeling that a game with a Gladiator would be approved for Normalcy. However, if I'm wrong, then the mod will confirm it, and then I'll reconsider my options.

Gladiator is not exlcuded, and is inlcuded by the fact it is not excluded, and by the phrase

Roles which are explicitly Normal for Town include:

Vanilla Townie, Friendly Neighbor, Innocent Child, Mason, Miller, Vigilante,

any roles listed "for any alignment"

We've already established that Almost lied so I'm not sure why you're still discussing this

[PeregrineV]

1- If RC is telling the truth
2- If we're both telling the truth
3- If me, RC & SRMP are telling the truth

So, you're basing your argument on assuming RC is telling the truth no matter what. Any particular reason why you won't even consider RC playing a gambit? Not even a shade of doubt??

P-edit: Is Gladiator "not" normal?

Our argument was in the context of RC being town, and having a PR. Just because I don't mention that he could be scum in one post doesn't imply that I don't think it's possible.

And the wiki doesn't specifically state whether Gladiator is "normal" or "not normal." Here's the link:

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Gladiator

I don't get the feeling that a game with a Gladiator would be approved for Normalcy. However, if I'm wrong, then the mod will confirm it, and then I'll reconsider my options.

Gladiator is not exlcuded, and is inlcuded by the fact it is not excluded, and by the phrase

Roles which are explicitly Normal for Town include:

Vanilla Townie, Friendly Neighbor, Innocent Child, Mason, Miller, Vigilante,

any roles listed "for any alignment"

We've already established that Almost lied so I'm not sure why you're still discussing this

Because I'm reading from where I stopped reading.

Any particular reason the Snarky wagon is gone and you want to lynch the claimed tracker?

[Xkfyu]

1- If RC is telling the truth
2- If we're both telling the truth
3- If me, RC & SRMP are telling the truth

So, you're basing your argument on assuming RC is telling the truth no matter what. Any particular reason why you won't even consider RC playing a gambit? Not even a shade of doubt??

P-edit: Is Gladiator "not" normal?

Our argument was in the context of RC being town, and having a PR. Just because I don't mention that he could be scum in one post doesn't imply that I don't think it's possible.

And the wiki doesn't specifically state whether Gladiator is "normal" or "not normal." Here's the link:

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Gladiator

I don't get the feeling that a game with a Gladiator would be approved for Normalcy. However, if I'm wrong, then the mod will confirm it, and then I'll reconsider my options.

Gladiator is not exlcuded, and is inlcuded by the fact it is not excluded, and by the phrase

Roles which are explicitly Normal for Town include:

Vanilla Townie, Friendly Neighbor, Innocent Child, Mason, Miller, Vigilante,

any roles listed "for any alignment"

Ok, so I was wrong about the Gladiator being non-normal. What's your point? I was still right about Almost lying about being a Gladiator.

Reading a little further though, "any roles listed as 'for any alignment'" is also explicitly Normal for Mafia as well. Is there any reason you chose to say that it was normal for town, but didn't mention it being normal for a Mafia group?

[PeregrineV]

1- If RC is telling the truth
2- If we're both telling the truth
3- If me, RC & SRMP are telling the truth

So, you're basing your argument on assuming RC is telling the truth no matter what. Any particular reason why you won't even consider RC playing a gambit? Not even a shade of doubt??

P-edit: Is Gladiator "not" normal?

Our argument was in the context of RC being town, and having a PR. Just because I don't mention that he could be scum in one post doesn't imply that I don't think it's possible.

And the wiki doesn't specifically state whether Gladiator is "normal" or "not normal." Here's the link:

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Gladiator

I don't get the feeling that a game with a Gladiator would be approved for Normalcy. However, if I'm wrong, then the mod will confirm it, and then I'll reconsider my options.

Gladiator is not exlcuded, and is inlcuded by the fact it is not excluded, and by the phrase

Roles which are explicitly Normal for Town include:

Vanilla Townie, Friendly Neighbor, Innocent Child, Mason, Miller, Vigilante,

any roles listed "for any alignment"

Ok, so I was wrong about the Gladiator being non-normal. What's your point? I was still right about Almost lying about being a Gladiator.

Reading a little further though, "any roles listed as 'for any alignment'" is also explicitly Normal for Mafia as well. Is there any reason you chose to say that it was normal for town, but didn't mention it being normal for a Mafia group?

Two reasons, I guess.

1. Pretty much anything town can be, scum can be.

2. Almost50 is town.

[Xkfyu]

Two reasons, I guess.

1. Pretty much anything town can be, scum can be.

2. Almost50 is town.

Fair point about #1. Can you explain your #2 though?

[Almost50]

(I'm not willing to wait until D4, by the way)

So, don't. Your vote is already on my. What CAN you do more?? Do it.

[PeregrineV]

Two reasons, I guess.

1. Pretty much anything town can be, scum can be.

2. Almost50 is town.

Fair point about #1. Can you explain your #2 though?

Sure. Look at this ISO. He's scumhunting and trying to get reads.

The worse thing about him is that he likes (or liked) Snarky for town (liked his reads or something).

Also, he pressing his scumreads for reasons he feels is legitimate (even though I think he's wrong on Blackstar).

[PeregrineV]

(I'm not willing to wait until D4, by the way)

So, don't. Your vote is already on my. What CAN you do more?? Do it.

Please unvote SMRP for now.

[Xkfyu]

Almost, please answer my questions. They are starting to pile up.

Nobody still thinks you're town. That's what I'm saying. You've screwed yourself over,

We're moving in circles. If they think I'm scum I could easily get lynched. It's not that hard to rally against me given my overall posting style and how I've been acting since the word go.

Two questions from this:

1. If your overall posting style makes it easy for you to be lynched, then why don't you change it? It's Town's job to find scum. If you're town, and you are posting in a way that you know will make town want to lynch you, and you're aware of this fact (which you obviously are), then it could be argued that you are playing against your win condition.

2. If your overall posting style makes it easy for you to be lynched, then if you're town, then why hasn't scum taken the opportunity to push for your lynch? D1 and D2 I can understand why they would hold off. However, it's D3, and they are starting to run out of reasonably possible mislynches.

@Xk: I don't feel like debating with you right now. I'm trying to clear my mind, so not in the mood. Off the top of my head I can recall my most recent 3 cop roles (none on this site though). Actually, make that 4 (including one SCUM rolecop role). I got lynched on D1 once, I got NK'd on N1 once, I got lynched on D3 (only bc D1 ended in a NL) as the scum rolecop, and the one time I lived through the game was due to my total lack of knowledge of the flavour of the show. I was a rolecop too, but the clues I got were indirect. They were images from the show pointing to what was most important on my target's mind. I misinterpreted the results I got, so I messed up the game more.

In total I may have played 12-15 games so far. Certainly no more than 20.

Ok. Well, if I weed through the completely useless information that I didn't ask for, I can now answer the question myself.

Out of about 15 games played (certainly no more than 20), you've been lynched as a Town Cop just one time.

That certainly doesn't justify this statement:

Do you think SRMP is town

I'm inclined to believe his claim, or -at the very least- give him one more chance to prove it. You don't know how many times I got lynched being the TOWN COP.

So, what was that? Just fear-mongering?

I don't feel like debating with you right now. I'm trying to clear my mind, so not in the mood.

So, when should I expect answers to the rest of my questions?

What would you say is a reasonable amount of time for me to give you to come up with some decent answers?

(I'm not willing to wait until D4, by the way)

[Xkfyu]

Two reasons, I guess.

1. Pretty much anything town can be, scum can be.

2. Almost50 is town.

Fair point about #1. Can you explain your #2 though?

Sure. Look at this ISO. He's scumhunting and trying to get reads.

The worse thing about him is that he likes (or liked) Snarky for town (liked his reads or something).

Also, he pressing his scumreads for reasons he feels is legitimate (even though I think he's wrong on Blackstar).

I'm assuming, since you're telling me to read his ISO, that you've actually read his ISO? And you really believe the worst thing about him was his town read, way back in D1, on Snaryky? None of the other stuff bothers you more than that?

[Almost50]

I REALLY don't feel like lynching SRMP today (other than to prove the town is misleading itself). I'll switch my vote to SS before anyone hammers.

VOTE: Snarky

[RadiantCowbells]

No.

You lynch SRMP. Snarky is a townread.

[Xkfyu]

I REALLY don't feel like lynching SRMP today (other than to prove the town is misleading itself). I'll switch my vote to SS before anyone hammers.

VOTE: Snarky

Wow, really?

You're just gonna pretend you didn't just move your vote because Peregrine asked you to?

[Xkfyu]

Almost, please answer my questions. They are starting to pile up.

Nobody still thinks you're town. That's what I'm saying. You've screwed yourself over,

We're moving in circles. If they think I'm scum I could easily get lynched. It's not that hard to rally against me given my overall posting style and how I've been acting since the word go.

Two questions from this:

1. If your overall posting style makes it easy for you to be lynched, then why don't you change it? It's Town's job to find scum. If you're town, and you are posting in a way that you know will make town want to lynch you, and you're aware of this fact (which you obviously are), then it could be argued that you are playing against your win condition.

2. If your overall posting style makes it easy for you to be lynched, then if you're town, then why hasn't scum taken the opportunity to push for your lynch? D1 and D2 I can understand why they would hold off. However, it's D3, and they are starting to run out of reasonably possible mislynches.

@Xk: I don't feel like debating with you right now. I'm trying to clear my mind, so not in the mood. Off the top of my head I can recall my most recent 3 cop roles (none on this site though). Actually, make that 4 (including one SCUM rolecop role). I got lynched on D1 once, I got NK'd on N1 once, I got lynched on D3 (only bc D1 ended in a NL) as the scum rolecop, and the one time I lived through the game was due to my total lack of knowledge of the flavour of the show. I was a rolecop too, but the clues I got were indirect. They were images from the show pointing to what was most important on my target's mind. I misinterpreted the results I got, so I messed up the game more.

In total I may have played 12-15 games so far. Certainly no more than 20.

Ok. Well, if I weed through the completely useless information that I didn't ask for, I can now answer the question myself.

Out of about 15 games played (certainly no more than 20), you've been lynched as a Town Cop just one time.

That certainly doesn't justify this statement:

Do you think SRMP is town

I'm inclined to believe his claim, or -at the very least- give him one more chance to prove it. You don't know how many times I got lynched being the TOWN COP.

So, what was that? Just fear-mongering?

I don't feel like debating with you right now. I'm trying to clear my mind, so not in the mood.

So, when should I expect answers to the rest of my questions?

What would you say is a reasonable amount of time for me to give you to come up with some decent answers?

(I'm not willing to wait until D4, by the way)

I REALLY don't feel like lynching SRMP today (other than to prove the town is misleading itself). I'll switch my vote to SS before anyone hammers.

VOTE: Snarky

Wow, really?

You're just gonna pretend you didn't just move your vote because Peregrine asked you to?

[RadiantCowbells]

Btw I virtually guarantee you guys PeregrineV is scum as well.

[PeregrineV]

Two reasons, I guess.

1. Pretty much anything town can be, scum can be.

2. Almost50 is town.

Fair point about #1. Can you explain your #2 though?

Sure. Look at this ISO. He's scumhunting and trying to get reads.

The worse thing about him is that he likes (or liked) Snarky for town (liked his reads or something).

Also, he pressing his scumreads for reasons he feels is legitimate (even though I think he's wrong on Blackstar).

I'm assuming, since you're telling me to read his ISO, that you've actually read his ISO? And you really believe the worst thing about him was his town read, way back in D1, on Snaryky? None of the other stuff bothers you more than that?

Like what? Scumreading other players for stupid things? Been there and done that, always as town.

Faking gladiator? I've faked worse. And it caused activity, putting himself in a (albeit fake) 1v1 with a player he claims is scum. Scum doesn't focus the spotlight on themsleves that way, because they cannot afford to lose 1 scum and only kill 1 town. (Yes, some players do draw that kind of attention to themselves, but some other players won't lynch them if the mod came in and confirmed they were scum).

Anyways, sorry to ramble. Why do you think he scum?

[Almost50]

@Xf: Keep clogging the thread all you want. I'm done talking to you. It only blocks me from trying to do something useful.

New PoV:

IF SS is Scum >> RC is likely Scum; while Peregrine, GRob will be clear. Masquerade a bit better.

Given the SS flip gives me better reads on -at least- 4 players, and with no real case on anyone else at this time, so it is the way to go for me.