Mini 1763 - Game OV

[MarioManiac4]

honestly i cant say any wagon has much merit yet. the only reasons given for performer were by garmr and i don't think his point is any good; low-hanging fruit is a bad scumtell because nothing rules these players out from being scum and you're just saying people have to think they're town. performer covered the first point already.
id says he doesnt like earlygame inactivity which i dont really think is a tell.
ill let boon respond to #175 but i dont think its a good reason either.
performer's vote was to do with no-reason vote, again not a good reason.

basically i'm going to be That Guy who sits in the corner and criticizes wagons till either i or somebody else finds something scummy.

[Performer]

Not_Mafia replaces TOWNIE247.

Welcome, Not_Mafia. I can't recall ever playing with you. Thoughts on anything?
I seem to recall your predecessor claimed 1-shot Bulletproof for no reason? Why?

I have found one thing that gives me concern from rc but I want to see how that plays out since no one really mentioned it.

If you wanted to let it play out before acting on it, why would you even bring it up?

@Garmr you saw something from RC that was concerning, yet you're willing to let it play out when we're already past the halfway point. I'm looking forward to what you think was concerning.

id says he doesnt like earlygame inactivity which i dont really think is a tell.
ill let boon respond to #175 but i dont think its a good reason either.
performer's vote was to do with no-reason vote, again not a good reason.

basically i'm going to be That Guy who sits in the corner and criticizes wagons till either i or somebody else finds something scummy.

Based on this player list, off the top of my head - I remember Mario/FA/Lapsa seeing my town play after night 2 and/or all the way into endgame - either when we were both town or in a game you hosted. You guys know full well I'm one of those types who doesn't manipulate his meta well, at all.

I really don't see how you still see KT as scummy. Your read on him hasn't evolved?

[Not_Mafia]

Why are you so eager to attack Garmr for what was clearfly a joke?

I don't like where Kain is going. It started off as humorous but he's being really really aggressive with no actual case on anyone. It feels like flailing as someone else who I can't bother to go look for mentioned, but I can't

quite

bring myself to think he's scum just yet -- so far he mostly seems like a panicky newbie. I'm leaving now, I'll be back in 12ish hours to post some more

He is the wagon I like the most though, since he's the only actual substantial wagon at this point, so my vote stays where it is.

He is the wagon I like the most though, since he's the only actual substantial wagon at this point, so my vote stays where it is.

Would you say that you agree with the arguments raised by MarioManiac4 in 79?

For the most part, yes. However, I can also easily write these reasons off as newbtown for the most part, which is why I'm not convinced quite yet. He does seem to be getting more antsy as the pressure increases though, which, at 4(?) votes is not really justified. Again though, might just be panicky newbtown.

Hmm. It appears I forgot about iraonavp.
I looked him up and fortunately there's meta on him as well as other players in that game, who're in this game:
forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=64581

Indeed so. This is why I strongly believe that Soapbar is town-aligned in this game.

Can you offer a bit of insight into this? What kind of meta is it that makes you think 3 pages of nothing looks strongly town-sided?

It's a feeling which may be difficult to quantify, but still a strong one. He sounds completely different here to how he sounded in the other game.

I don't like this. In Mini 1747, which is the game I assume you're referring to as it's his only scum game that I could find, he had this to say:

VOTE: Swordsworth

Swordsworth, FA_Q2, Hawk Scum team GG WP boys

I know it isn't much, but you can clearly see the similarities in his post style from game to game. Plus, this is the only post that Soapbar made before actual cases started being built. I'm not saying I think he's scum, he posted like this in his town games too, just that you can't base a town read in RVS off of something like this, especially when it's

also something he does as scum.

P-Edit: KT continues to use AtE, or is just... sad, I guess? Don't stop posting though, posting is literally the only way the game can progress.

VOTE: InsidiousLemons

[Not_Mafia]

RC why are you being

weird

?

Oh cool Boonskiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiies is back

[Performer]

RC why are you being

weird

?

RC is always weird. In fact, he's a self-proclaimed wildcard .
not sure what on earth he's trying to do in this game though

[Not_Mafia]

He's being a different weird

[Not_Mafia]

THIS BOONSKIIES THINKS THE LEADING WAGON IS EASY MISLYNCH ON A VI WHO'S PROBABLY 14

THIS BOONSKIIES HAS CAUGHT SCUM

VOTE: PERFORMER

THIS BOONSKIIES WISHES FOR BOONSKIIES TO JOIN THIS BOONSKIIES ON THIS RIGHTEOUS WAGON

What's your case on Performer (who hasn't posted in 2 pages)?

VOTE: InsidiousLemons

RC began the wagon on me, then Kat joined in on 180 because he thought my 144 & 145 were "scummy." And then Boon joins on 189 to "add pressure."

Weird? Yes, to say the least.
Scummy? Just might be, considering how RC & Boon's votes have 0 good reason.

This boonskiies still would rather go Iaor, but Performer pressure is nice.

Your vote on me is pointless. What're you trying to achieve?
VOTE: Boonskies
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@ Kat what's "scummy" about my 144 & 145?

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: Performer

Hate that reaction.

and the continued empty post by RC about why he's voting me.
this is looking like it's going to end up being you stubbornly scumreading me, like you did in the game where we were both town vs Fire/Xtox/Espeon
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I mostly voted MarioManiac because I felt he was scum, and maybe I'm not entirely sure why I felt that.

@ira This is an odd post. Penny for your thoughts on the people on my wagon?

Performer comes off as incredibly scummy. What I noticed is his habit to push his own version into things. Like my original vote on lapsa he was saying was that because of last game. Then 146 was him trying to put anyone on the same wagon after him in a bad light even through it was rvs. I think his going for low hanging fruit with his vote on kain and boon.

Wasn't that was my very 1st post in the game during RVS?... I posted that you voted Lapsa because a of a finished game, partly as a joke and partly to see how you'd react. You responded that you recognized him, which is a null reply to me.

As for that wagon on Lapsa, I find things that're scummy and bring them up . I don't just idly sit back and not call people out. I don't just wait for others to analyze things. If I voted someone for no reason, others would jump on me as well. The fact you, Garmr, didn't find RC & Boon highly questionable in their voting me - you need to question why they'd do that.

This wagon on me is absurd.

[Boonskiies]

God damn it. I'm starting to town read everyone.

[Boonskiies]

MarioManiac4 - town

InsidiousLemons
FA_Q2
Soapbar

Katsuki - town
iraonavp - town from last page. he got me to change my mind, but idk if it's biased because he talked about me.
Garmr - I like what he's been saying. I don't see scum incentive to say what he did about me.
KainTepes - Meh, town.
RadiantCowbells - I think this I RC's Town game. If he RC's it up in upcoming days, i'll town it.
Not_Mafia - I liked his posts on Lemons. I'm leaning town.
Performer - I like voting here. Performer's given me absolutely no town vibes.
Lapsa - indifferent.

Haven't paid enough attention to Lemons/Fa/Soap

[Lapsa]

i find perf !mafia interaction weird

perf, for the first time i'm getting scumvibes out of you

[InsidiousLemons]

Not_Mafia replaces TOWNIE247.

Welcome, Not_Mafia. I can't recall ever playing with you. Thoughts on anything?
I seem to recall your predecessor claimed 1-shot Bulletproof for no reason? Why?

When did this happen? As far as I can see TOWNIE247 never even posted once.

[Not_Mafia]

Not_Mafia replaces TOWNIE247.

Welcome, Not_Mafia. I can't recall ever playing with you. Thoughts on anything?
I seem to recall your predecessor claimed 1-shot Bulletproof for no reason? Why?

When did this happen? As far as I can see TOWNIE247 never even posted once.

Joined : January 29, 2014

VOTE: InsidiousLemons

[InsidiousLemons]

Not_Mafia replaces TOWNIE247.

Welcome, Not_Mafia. I can't recall ever playing with you. Thoughts on anything?
I seem to recall your predecessor claimed 1-shot Bulletproof for no reason? Why?

When did this happen? As far as I can see TOWNIE247 never even posted once.

Joined : January 29, 2014

VOTE: InsidiousLemons

I've played 4 games total. Sue me.

[Garmr]

So I'm moving onto your scum list, but I should still vote Performer? Strange how I can be both scum-aligned and town-aligned at the same time.

I was giving my reasons as to why I thought preformer was scum because
1i want others to join
2you were dismissing my performer case with out addressing it fully.

You tried pushing that its just about him voting the tos boy which it wasnt just that.

Anyone who cherrypicks a small part of case like the one sentence you did should be ashamed to call themselves a mafia player and there's no town motivation to do that.

[Not_Mafia]

Not_Mafia replaces TOWNIE247.

Welcome, Not_Mafia. I can't recall ever playing with you. Thoughts on anything?
I seem to recall your predecessor claimed 1-shot Bulletproof for no reason? Why?

When did this happen? As far as I can see TOWNIE247 never even posted once.

Joined : January 29, 2014

VOTE: InsidiousLemons

I've played 4 games total. Sue me.

$1 000 000 please

[InsidiousLemons]

Not_Mafia replaces TOWNIE247.

Welcome, Not_Mafia. I can't recall ever playing with you. Thoughts on anything?
I seem to recall your predecessor claimed 1-shot Bulletproof for no reason? Why?

When did this happen? As far as I can see TOWNIE247 never even posted once.

Joined : January 29, 2014

VOTE: InsidiousLemons

I've played 4 games total. Sue me.

$1 000 000 please

[Lapsa]

VOTE: Not_Mafia

[Not_Mafia]

Naked voting? Awful

[Garmr]

Naked voting? Awful

Lapsa does a lot of that

[InsidiousLemons]

>Brief interaction between NotMafia and Performer
>Lapsa has a mild scumread on Performer, but does not vote for him nor does he mention NM's side of the interaction at all
>NotMafia makes

one short, additional post about me,

and then also restates his vote for me for some reason
>Lapsa immediately switches votes onto NotMafia without explanation

I don't like this. The vibe I'm getting is a sort of chainsaw-y one, but that doesn't make much sense as we've barely all game. VOTE: Lapsa

[InsidiousLemons]

*barely interacted all game^

[Boonskiies]

RC why are you being

weird

?

Oh cool Boonskiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiies is back

Yes.

I.

Am.

[Boonskiies]

Good to see familiar faces, haha.

[Boonskiies]

@garm

depends on lot of things. even in circus game that move had a chance to end up being brilliant

speaking of kain - perhaps so. although i would expect faster adaptation

about boon - that's kind a his regular play. heavy lurking and a lot of bullshit.

fun fact: Titus refused to replace in a game because it had boonskies in it. i don't blame her
fun fact #2: boonskies likes to instahammer when there's an opportunity

well - at the moment i'm not feeling scumvibes out of perf.
although your perspective seems kind a sensible and genuine - i'm gonna fence sit on perf

I don't believe I've played with you? Have I? Why do you know things like this? Haha. In fact, it varies. I've also had games where I have had the highest post count.