Mini 1758: Game Over

[curiouskarmadog]

In your history of playing this game. As scum, have you ever defended town just to get town cred. When did you actually "defend" me? How many votes did I have?

Never played as actual scum. Had a pseudo-SK once, but pretty much played it as town since I still wanted mafia dead.
Defended ya on 786. Ya linked it, so I don't see how you could have failed to read it.

also you completely ignore the point. I DONT CARE that you defended me. The only reason you defended me is because you wanted to look town when I flipped town.

I guess you think as scum, I would just attack the only person that defended me? HOW DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE?

my god your squirming is horrible and you are grasping at straws.

I saw someone else do this in this game...it was camn.

[curiouskarmadog]

Can we lynch him now. I am going to die tonight now the masons are dead.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

now you are OMGUS voting me

This is a lie, hes not lynching you because you lynched him, hes lynching you because he thinks your scum and has stated why.

[curiouskarmadog]

Look up what it means. He is only voting me because I am voting him. If I had removed my vote you think he would still be voting me?

Coming into today he said " he thought I was town" but once I again attacked him I am now scum.

Ask yourself this.

Why as scum would I attack the only person who defended me day 2

I am a Power role. I will die tonight. If I don't die tonight it only makes sense to lynch me tomorrow. There is no way that scum would let me live. Absolutely no way. I am the next logical kill after confirmed town masons . Why as scum (with a tracker claim) would I not come in today and fake claim that I got a guilty on someone...anyone? To kill one more person before I get lynched.

There was a clear wagon on Zulf. I could jumped on it (as scum) and no one would have said anything. If he flipped town or scum no one would have looked at me. Instead? I am looking for scum.



It does not make sense.

Look what he has done in this game. Look at what he is doing today?

This guy is a scum bag.

[curiouskarmadog]

Also I targetted Farmer n2 (he did not go anywhere).

I also targetted tic tac last night. (This is where he comes back and says he is a hider or some bullshit).

[curiouskarmadog]

I know I said I would claim at twilight but this game is just pissing me off. This guy is such scum.

[curiouskarmadog]

Also I crumbed/elluded to my target yesterday if you need to see the crumb.

[curiouskarmadog]

And given this wagon on zulf, I am pretty sure he is town.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

looked it over

VOTE: tictac

[Lokiben]

Curious, you have several valid, if individually unimpactful, points about tictac. There's plenty of counterexplanations that hold nearly as much weight though, from my perspective, chiefly the element of WIFOM with the acryon kill.

And I don't see him refusing to vote for camn anywhere; he just didn't. He's been harping for more discussion time more than anyone else.

So, I think you have a case. It's not enough to make me prefer him to Zulfy, though. If Zulfy is town somehow, then he's totally my pick for tomorrow, if we make it that far. Zulfy's (lack of) interactions with camn just stick out like a sore thumb to me.

so why the fuck was I blocked last night but not the night before?...hmm, maybe it was because I pushed a fucking tictac case yesterday?

Maybe I'm missing something, but what incentive would the mafia have to block someone other than you two nights ago? That's just bizarre.

I'm not really aware of the case on tictac.

If I've been told it, I've forgotten.

@Lok, you look at scum's scumleans and scumreads for scum. Or at least I do. Either way tho it's all wine, not enough for a wagon today.

That's a suspiciously stupid oversimplification.

. Also, why are you scumreading me for speaking out against your lynch?

In your history of playing this game. As scum, have you ever defended town just to get town cred. When did you actually "defend" me? How many votes did I have?

Hmm. tictac made a point about townreading Cakez too. Conveniently, he didn't show up to offer an alternative lynch (Zulfy), until Cakez was at L-1.

LOL that is what I thought. I call you out on your scum slip and you immediately vote me without even acknowledging them.

That's not true:

"Why would I fail to block you night 2?" == "If I was scum I could have suggested blocking you in scum-thread or blocked you myself if I was a roleblocker. Either way I would have had the power to cause you to be blocked. Why would I have not done that?"
I was being concise.

Ahhh, Zulfy has been pinging my gut harder, but if I'm the only one then I guess I can be convinced of a tictac lynch instead.

[curiouskarmadog]

Loki I am talking about the ACTUAL SLIPS. He said I called him the blocker. I never said that. I said the scum team. I think he just slipped and told us he was the blocker. Go back and reread it.

[Performer]

VOTE COUNT 4.01

tictac (2): curiouskarmadog, Some Random Mafia Player
curiouskarmadog (1): tictac
Some Random Mafia Player (1): a plain farmer
Zulfy (1): Lokiben

No vote (2): Zulfy, UpTooLate

With 7 players alive, it takes 4/7 votes to lynch.

For deadlines & notes, please refer to this post – post 3 !

[a plain farmer]

Also I targetted Farmer n2 (he did not go anywhere).

For the record, it is correct that I didn't go anywhere N2.

@farmer I'm thinking Rando is town.
-155 mistakes camn with another player. I don't think this can happen if he is scum with her. I think it's a real mistake because it's consistent with his play otherwise. (@Rando Who were you thinking of there?)
- I don't think the avatar-thing would have been so big a deal if they were both scum. camn would have waited for the night and then asked him to get one. As it was she was unnecessarily drawing heat from it.

These are good points. He's still been hugely scummy, and I still think he's scum, but I'm not as confident anymore.


@CKD:
We needn't hurry in deciding who we should lynch. If you're tonight's target, you'll be just as dead if we lynch right now as if we lynch at the deadline.

I feel I must point out your read on tictac isn't as strong as you make it out to be. His "slip" doesn't look alignment indicative.

As for him suddenly having you roleblocked due to the threat you pose, I'll reiterate that there was insufficient reason for him not to have roleblocked you the previous night, even if he didn't at the time see you as a threat, since no other player had given any indication of a blockable power role.

Here are some reasons that are more likely to explain you being blocked N3 but not N2:
1) The scum made a suboptimal decision.
2) The roleblocker forgot or was too inactive to submit a night action.
3) There is no roleblocker, and the failure of the investigation was due to some other role.

[Lokiben]

Loki I am talking about the ACTUAL SLIPS. He said I called him the blocker. I never said that. I said the scum team. I think he just slipped and told us he was the blocker. Go back and reread it.

I have. I think it might be confirmation bias on your part. You said scum had a blocker, and you said he was scum. It could have been an assumption on his part about your accusations. I'm open to the possibility, but I'm not convinced it was a slip.

[UpTooLate]

I'll take a look at this later

[tictac]

LOL that is what I thought. I call you out on

your scum slip

and you immediately vote me without even acknowledging them.

-Why would I fail to block you night 2?

scum slip.

If by "scumslip" you mean something other than what you quoted, do quote the correct thing(s?) now.
Otherwise I'm gonna assume you are just speaking words without even attempting to base anything to reality.

yeah I got theories, but I am not going to tell you how to play the game. One theory is obvious though (and I have said as much). I wasnt a threat to you that night and by defending me, you thought I wouldnt track you.

Again you fail to answer: Why would you not be blocked on night 2?

THE DAY I START TO PUSH A CASE YOU BLOCK ME.

now you are OMGUS voting me

No. I voted you for because you ignored a valid defense, and refused to defend your position by answering my questions. Tells me that you aren't interested in if your push is valid. You just want to push me.

When did you actually "defend" me?

786. Ya linked it, so I don't see how you could have failed to read it.

also you completely ignore the point. I DONT CARE that you defended me.

I ignored a point you never made.
Why did you ask the question if you don't care about the answer?

The only reason you defended me is because you wanted to look town when I flipped town.

Ya said I defended you so you wouldn't track me. Make up your mind.

I guess you think as scum, I would just attack the only person that defended me? HOW DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE?

people who defended ya: zulf, me, farmer, Rando.
I changed my stance on ya in 811, until I did the associative reading yesterday.
I don't believe you are this bad at reading. You are deliberately distorting the facts.

my god your squirming is horrible and you are grasping at straws.

I saw someone else do this in this game...it was camn.

One of us sure is sounding a lot like camn, and it ain't me.

Look up what it means. He is only voting me because I am voting him. If I had removed my vote you think he would still be voting me?

No I wouldn't, because it would mean you are reacting to new evidence. Something you are currently very obviously

not doing

.
Townies care about voting correctly, so when someone gives a valid defense, they change their mind.

Coming into today he said " he thought I was town" but once I again attacked him I am now scum.

A lie. I said that in the same post I vote for ya. My 8th post of the day.

Ask yourself this.

Why as scum would I attack the only person who defended me day 2

This point entirely based on fiction.

Why as scum (with a tracker claim) would I not come in today and fake claim that I got a guilty on someone...anyone? To kill one more person before I get lynched.

That is actually a valid point. It wouldn't be

impossible

for you to squirm out of getting lynched tomorrow, but it would be pretty hard.

There was a clear wagon on Zulf. I could jumped on it (as scum) and no one would have said anything. If he flipped town or scum no one would have looked at me. Instead? I am looking for scum.

Another valid point. Why didn't you start with these?

Look what he has done in this game. Look at what he is doing today?

This guy is a scum bag.

Specifics please. If you don't make actual charges I can't defend. If you care about lynching correctly you want me to defend.

TL;DR: He does have a few valid points, even if he is largely incoherent and doesn't seem to care about facts very much. It's possible this is his playstyle, but I was under the impression that he was supposed to not be horrible at this game. Does anybody still living have experience with him? Is it possible he acts this way as town?
Still scummier than Zulf, but not by a huge margin.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

people who defended ya: zulf, me, farmer, Rando.

Dont remember defending him, unless you mean im defending him with my vote on you. If so thats wrong jsyk

[tictac]

Dont remember defending him, unless you mean im defending him with my vote on you. If so thats wrong jsyk

835
Ya called bs on (part of) camns attack on CKD and then voted for her. I'd call that defending.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

Dont remember defending him, unless you mean im defending him with my vote on you. If so thats wrong jsyk

835
Ya called bs on (part of) camns attack on CKD and then voted for her. I'd call that defending.

if logic is flawed, logic is flawed and im gonna call it out.

And I scumread camn, thats why i voted them...

[Zulfy]

That's a suspiciously stupid oversimplification.

Not really, no

[tictac]

if logic is flawed, logic is flawed and im gonna call it out.

Ya. Pointing out flawed logic in a push is a form of defense.
There's nothing wrong with defending someone, so why are you sounding defensive all of a sudden?

[Zulfy]

He's not sounding defensive much, tic
VOTE: tictac
That's l1 folks!

Reminder we are getting dangerously close to a loss so, think critically

[tictac]

Ya, notice how I'm not voting for him.
He was acting a bit weird so I pointed it out. That's enough for you to vote for me here?

[Zulfy]

Yep only reason

[Zulfy]

I know that

egad

Why is it surprising to you? I was pretty explicit about scumreading you yesterday.

So I'ma tell you I'm being sarcastic here