Borderlands Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Suzune]

be mean to me Suzune.

Tell me what you really think of me.

HIT ME HARD SUZUNE

I have no reason to be mean to you. My gut says you are town. It is an unpopular opinion, but a lot of it is hinging on your role claim. Of everything claimed, it seems the most likely to fit and I think it fits well with the usual tricks in a Skull game. That being said you do little to make me want to not lynch you, you fail to win over the town, and you come off looking scummy. However, I find that I agree with your reads. So that throws me off too. So if anything stop being so confusing and play clearer.

[Suzune]

Nah Suzune you didn't come off as insulting at all. I don't belie\/e I played like that on day 1,2 and 3 but it is just once we got into a game state where town controlled 50% of the \/otes I got \/ery ner\/ous. We are basically in Lylo and I don't want to be the reason town loses in a 24p game since it just wouldn't be a good feeling to know that I messed it up for town.

You do not play enough tactical games. My guts says I should give you a pep talk. But maybe we should save that for after the game as I remain wary of your alignment.

[popsofctown]

Man, Suzune, that was really rude. Quite uncalled for.

[Suzune]

I am not sure if you are teasing me or not.

[beeboy]

You do not play enough tactical games. My guts says I should give you a pep talk. But maybe we should save that for after the game as I remain wary of your alignment.

Point taken.

[beeboy]

But for real Rob needs to get roped or this mod needs to get better roles.

[Suzune]

But for real Rob needs to get roped or this mod needs to get better roles.

I think rob created an exploitable hole. By lynching him we close it a little bit.

[Rob14]

So Rob and Nero/Flubber are scum?

No. Likely, it's a bastard element. Either a:

1) Gunsmith framer, which is bastard because it cannot be reasonably anticipated (experimental role that involves moderator lies) or;
2) Variant of typical gunsmith, which is bastard because I'm not told that I'm a variant.

I'm leaning toward two. The mod refused to answer the question asking whether serial killers would have a gun if I checked them. Unless I'm a variant of gunsmith, the answer should be an unambiguous "no" according to the wiki.

So ... blah. We'll see in post-game, I guess. I'm treating my role as useless since I cannot discern what the hell it does and the mod isn't answering the basic questions I ask about it. *shrug*

[Rob14]

I get that but the same situation is happening with Nero and Flubber.

Who is Rob 1\/1ing with his claim?
Lea\/ing Flubber and Nero for later gi\/es us the chance that night kills will sort them for us

What are you even talking about?

[beeboy]

I don't think Flubber and Nero can both be scum.
Assuming no bastard roles you must be scum.

[beeboy]

Scum still ha\/e to kill each other to win so I wouldn't be surprised if Flubber or Nero got killed.
No ones death will make your role less bastardy

[Rob14]

I agree. The assumption is likely wrong, but given what the moderator has said about the game, I understand your position.

I have no defense to what you're saying, but unless we're all missing a non-bastard possibility, I just imagine there's going to be a lot of people pissed off in post-game because the game wasn't really advertised the way it should have been. I've been saying since Mimi flipped town that I think this game is bastard. It's why I nearly replaced out.

[Rob14]

Even Mimi agreed with me that if I'm telling the truth, the only possibility was a redirector. The mod later removed that as a possibility. So, yeah. We're all in agreement that there's no known roles or mechanics that would result in the night action result I received except bastard options.

And I can understand why you need to lynch me for it. It will be a town loss, probably, but meh.

[Rob14]

Yo scum. Do me a favor after I flip town and shoot Nero. His hop onto me was super opportunistic.

[Rob14]

Also look at the other people who started my wagon. Nero is the one that benefits from this shift of pace.

[Rob14]

This dead PT is going to be fuuuuuuuuun.

[Elyse]

Can we test Suzune's loved claim first

[beeboy]

Can we test Suzune's loved claim first

We already discussed the unneeded risks of this.

[Rob14]

I'm so against those unneeded risks that I'll remind you of the following:

If I were scum, I would hammer Suzune as soon as they were placed at L-1, since I have nothing to lose. I'm about to be lynched anyway. So if you believe I'm scum, you shouldn't take that stupid risk.

And once I flip town, you still shouldn't take that stupid risk.

[beeboy]

I mean I am starting to doubt Elyse e\/erytime she brings it up. Max must ha\/e had a really shitty idea and Elyse just hopped on it I don't think we where e\/er close to putting Suzune at L-1.

[Rob14]

Oh, I just want to emphasize this:

I received the PM from Maxous saying Max is town. So once I flip town, Max is 100% conftown.

That's at least one good thing that comes from my death.

[Rob14]

By PM from Maxous, I mean PM from the mod sent via Maxous' night action, of course - just to be clear

[Flubbernugget]

What if Mimi was a miller o.o

Wouldn't that be bastard?

[Flubbernugget]

I'm falling behind again

Where did I miss that my result would be false based on a bus driver or Redirector? Didn't we already go over that being bastard?

[Suzune]

Well flubber it changed into the fact that Rob created kind of a loophole when he tunneled Nichole. This loopshole created a window where the town suddenly could no longer trust the results given because what if all the results were wrong. This window can be easily exploitable and we are now looking for lynch rob for the creation of said window. As, we have been told the game is not bastard. Therefore, I think a creative lie may have put us in the dark.