Open 627: Mexican Standoff [endgame]

Kop · Post Post #1025 (ISO) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 5:19 am

So if Almost50 was telling the truth about being a weak bodyguard, then I'm assuming he won't defend a PR who claimed.

It's a case of who did he go for? Because then if he is telling the truth, then that would mean they are town, and the person who he BG, could clarify some truth to it.

(I didn't say or will think they are confirmed town because scum could easily form a partnership based on this).

Kop · Post Post #1026 (ISO) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 5:22 am

In post 1022, Aneninen wrote:VOTE: Acryon

Mobilepost.

I hate doing this but... what did I tell you about TexCat?

What is the whole point of this?

I failed to see why this question is directly aimed at Acryon, so please help me out here.

acryon · Post Post #1027 (ISO) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 5:25 am

In post 1025, Kop wrote:So if Almost50 was telling the truth about being a weak bodyguard, then I'm assuming he won't defend a PR who claimed.

It's a case of who did he go for? Because then if he is telling the truth, then that would mean they are town, and the person who he BG, could clarify some truth to it.

(I didn't say or will think they are confirmed town because scum could easily form a partnership based on this).

Why would he not defend a PR who claimed? If he is actually town, now he will just die tonight unless yet another PR comes out that he can protect, and neither of the two PRs will have had any utility.

Almost50 · Post Post #1028 (ISO) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 5:26 am

OH, you mean bc I didn't protect Kuroi. OK.

For one thing, I wasn't sure enough he was a Jailer, and he was suspected by both Mas King & Ranger (check their reads). For another thing; I had someone else to protect as they would produce a more solid result. I protected davesaz.

acryon · Post Post #1029 (ISO) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 5:31 am

In post 1028, Almost50 wrote:OH, you mean bc I didn't protect Kuroi. OK.

For one thing, I wasn't sure enough he was a Jailer, and he was suspected by both Mas King & Ranger (check their reads). For another thing; I had someone else to protect as they would produce a more solid result. I protected davesaz.

You thought dave was most likely to get NK'd?

Kop · Post Post #1030 (ISO) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 5:32 am

In post 1027, acryon wrote:
In post 1025, Kop wrote:So if Almost50 was telling the truth about being a weak bodyguard, then I'm assuming he won't defend a PR who claimed.

It's a case of who did he go for? Because then if he is telling the truth, then that would mean they are town, and the person who he BG, could clarify some truth to it.

(I didn't say or will think they are confirmed town because scum could easily form a partnership based on this).

Why would he not defend a PR who claimed? If he is actually town, now he will just die tonight unless yet another PR comes out that he can protect, and neither of the two PRs will have had any utility.

I could be reading the whole role wrong, but if he bodyguard someone who is likely to be killed by scum, wouldn't that mean both of them dies? Similar to the hider role sort of?

acryon · Post Post #1031 (ISO) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 5:35 am

In post 1030, Kop wrote:
In post 1027, acryon wrote:
In post 1025, Kop wrote:So if Almost50 was telling the truth about being a weak bodyguard, then I'm assuming he won't defend a PR who claimed.

It's a case of who did he go for? Because then if he is telling the truth, then that would mean they are town, and the person who he BG, could clarify some truth to it.

(I didn't say or will think they are confirmed town because scum could easily form a partnership based on this).

Why would he not defend a PR who claimed? If he is actually town, now he will just die tonight unless yet another PR comes out that he can protect, and neither of the two PRs will have had any utility.

I could be reading the whole role wrong, but if he bodyguard someone who is likely to be killed by scum, wouldn't that mean both of them dies? Similar to the hider role sort of?

No, because otherwise his role would literally do nothing. He dies if the person he targets is scum, and he also dies if the person he targets is town and is targeted (but that person then lives)

Almost50 · Post Post #1032 (ISO) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 5:42 am

In post 1029, acryon wrote:You thought dave was most likely to get NK'd?

Yes. He soft-claimed a PR, and I read him as town with more certainty, and now I KNOW he is town regardless of being a PR or not.

chilledtea · Post Post #1033 (ISO) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 5:43 am

VOTE: KainTepes

I have to do some thinking on this game. The scum are hiding well.

Aneninen · Post Post #1034 (ISO) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 5:44 am

In post 1023, acryon wrote:
In post 1022, Aneninen wrote:VOTE: Acryon

Mobilepost.

I hate doing this but... what did I tell you about TexCat?

What is your point? I didn't even vote for TexCat.

There was no connection.
1. I still think you're scum and your eintritt was scummy too.
2. I scolded the whole town.

Aneninen · Post Post #1035 (ISO) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 5:45 am

In post 1032, Almost50 wrote:
In post 1029, acryon wrote:You thought dave was most likely to get NK'd?

Yes. He soft-claimed a PR, and I read him as town with more certainty, and now I KNOW he is town regardless of being a PR or not.

At least we know Davesaz is town if Almost is really a Bodyguard

Burning Crystal · Post Post #1036 (ISO) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 5:58 am

VOTE: Acryon

My scumread on Kuroi was wrong, so I should probably reevaluate my reads. What I do know is that Anen was right on Texcat being town, so I will lend my support.

~Titus

acryon · Post Post #1037 (ISO) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 6:03 am

In post 1035, Aneninen wrote:
In post 1032, Almost50 wrote:
In post 1029, acryon wrote:You thought dave was most likely to get NK'd?

Yes. He soft-claimed a PR, and I read him as town with more certainty, and now I KNOW he is town regardless of being a PR or not.

At least we know Davesaz is town if Almost is really a Bodyguard

This is true, and I am begrudgingly accepting the latter at this point.

Burning Crystal · Post Post #1038 (ISO) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 6:06 am

In post 1037, acryon wrote:
In post 1035, Aneninen wrote:
In post 1032, Almost50 wrote:
In post 1029, acryon wrote:You thought dave was most likely to get NK'd?

Yes. He soft-claimed a PR, and I read him as town with more certainty, and now I KNOW he is town regardless of being a PR or not.

At least we know Davesaz is town if Almost is really a Bodyguard

This is true, and I am begrudgingly accepting the latter at this point.

It's likely true, but not 100% true.

Scum Dave team role blocks almost creates a false positive. That would be setups 5 and 12. I think Dave is obvtown but Almost town doesn't confirm Dave town.

acryon · Post Post #1039 (ISO) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 6:19 am

In post 1038, Burning Crystal wrote:
In post 1037, acryon wrote:
In post 1035, Aneninen wrote:
In post 1032, Almost50 wrote:
In post 1029, acryon wrote:You thought dave was most likely to get NK'd?

Yes. He soft-claimed a PR, and I read him as town with more certainty, and now I KNOW he is town regardless of being a PR or not.

At least we know Davesaz is town if Almost is really a Bodyguard

This is true, and I am begrudgingly accepting the latter at this point.

It's likely true, but not 100% true.

Scum Dave team role blocks almost creates a false positive. That would be setups 5 and 12. I think Dave is obvtown but Almost town doesn't confirm Dave town.

I didn't think about this scenario, but you're right. And that's actually a fairly likely scenario.

Burning Crystal · Post Post #1040 (ISO) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 6:24 am

Who do you think is scum Acryon?

Almost50 · Post Post #1041 (ISO) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 6:28 am

In post 1038, Burning Crystal wrote:Scum Dave team role blocks almost creates a false positive. That would be setups 5 and 12.

Wait a minute! Isn't my ability a

passive

one? If so, then it cannot be RB'd by default.

Burning Crystal · Post Post #1042 (ISO) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 6:33 am

No. Weak means you die if you target scum. A roleblocker targeting you means you target no one, so you get no result.

acryon · Post Post #1043 (ISO) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 6:36 am

In post 1040, Burning Crystal wrote:Who do you think is scum Acryon?

I'm fairly lost at the moment if I'm being honest, but if I had to pick, I would choose Kop, Anen, or KT.

Kop for bad votes, as well as having a lot of empty content.

Anen for comments like [post[93[/post]. That post still pings me quite hard, as it both says nothing for town, as well as goads potential PRs into discussing things they probably shouldn't. I think he is great at looking like he is doing great work and being diplomatic to get him townreads, but I think it may be an act this game.

KT is my wildcard choice. Seems like there's always one person skating by, but never really producing. Consider it a FoS so I don't just give him a pass, but it seems unlikely I vote for him today.

acryon · Post Post #1044 (ISO) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 6:36 am

Shoot, 93 in previous post.

Burning Crystal · Post Post #1045 (ISO) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 6:47 am

How does 93 goad PRs?

acryon · Post Post #1046 (ISO) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 6:51 am

In post 1045, Burning Crystal wrote:How does 93 goad PRs?

It does not goad PR's into blatantly outing themselves, but it needlessly and uselessly discusses the setup which could lead PRs, especially inexperienced ones, to mention things that might make it easier to get who they are. The lines literally have no positive function, while there is chance for negatives.

Kop · Post Post #1047 (ISO) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 6:55 am

In post 1046, acryon wrote:
In post 1045, Burning Crystal wrote:How does 93 goad PRs?

It does not goad PR's into blatantly outing themselves, but it needlessly and uselessly discusses the setup which could lead PRs, especially inexperienced ones, to mention things that might make it easier to get who they are. The lines literally have no positive function, while there is chance for negatives.

But if Anen has the influence, he could easily direct PR's to Eagle based on his advice, by them just listening to it without discussing it not to out themselves, but if he knows there is a chance they are going to Eagle, it keeps them from potential team mates?

acryon · Post Post #1048 (ISO) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 6:58 am

In post 1047, Kop wrote:
In post 1046, acryon wrote:
In post 1045, Burning Crystal wrote:How does 93 goad PRs?

It does not goad PR's into blatantly outing themselves, but it needlessly and uselessly discusses the setup which could lead PRs, especially inexperienced ones, to mention things that might make it easier to get who they are. The lines literally have no positive function, while there is chance for negatives.

But if Anen has the influence, he could easily direct PR's to Eagle based on his advice, by them just listening to it without discussing it not to out themselves, but if he knows there is a chance they are going to Eagle, it keeps them from potential team mates?

This is also very true.

chilledtea · Post Post #1049 (ISO) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 7:19 am

In post 1047, Kop wrote:
In post 1046, acryon wrote:
In post 1045, Burning Crystal wrote:How does 93 goad PRs?

It does not goad PR's into blatantly outing themselves, but it needlessly and uselessly discusses the setup which could lead PRs, especially inexperienced ones, to mention things that might make it easier to get who they are. The lines literally have no positive function, while there is chance for negatives.

But if Anen has the influence, he could easily direct PR's to Eagle based on his advice, by them just listening to it without discussing it not to out themselves, but if he knows there is a chance they are going to Eagle, it keeps them from potential team mates?

How do you read the game at present?