Mini 1773 : Symphonic Metal Mafia (Game Over?!)

[Maestro]

/confirm VT let the Angry WIFOM OMGUS bastardry begin

[Maestro]

You suck at voting

VOTE: Aristophanes

PEDIT: oh baby baby come and get me

[Maestro]

Is one of those supposed to be a VC? jw

@Aristotle: Why should you care if it's growing fast?

[Maestro]

VOTE: maestro
because i like

FTFY

[Maestro]

P.S.

@FA plz...

I don't have 4 hands! arrrgh!

~FA

[Maestro]

Question for those with potentially serious votes: where is the Scum motivation for me / my posts so far?

[Maestro]

Question for those with potentially serious votes: where is the Scum motivation for me / my posts so far?

Why would you assume any of those votes are serious?

*shrug* I left that open to voters' interpretation of their own votes.
Your own vote sounded serious - you implied it would contribute to a quick D1 lynch.

[Maestro]

I don't have 4 hands! arrrgh!

~FA

But you could have 4 tabs open! P.S. Your mod color is hard to read against the default forum color scheme.

ok ok! I was just doing things as fast as I could!and what default forum color? Its awsome on the black one. Isn't it?

If thats a problem I can choose a darker color.

~FA

[Maestro]

Maestro's breaking out the MS Paint this early reeks of desperation, though.

I insert images = I am desperate Scum. How does that even compute in your head tho? Also, mountains is totes right - it's Preview (default iPaint, basically) so go shove your Microsoft shite where the sun don't shine, sir or madame.

L-1 right now. Fastest pre-game wagon and honestly I don't feel like it's undeserved.

Yo, mountains. This is what makes me think votes are serious.

@Snark: Tell me why I deserve L-1, preferably in ten words or less.

It was serious like a game of chicken is serious.

Yay! Talk to me about it then, bro.

PEDIT: Yeeup.

[Maestro]

VOTE: a plain farmer

Obviously a wolf in sheeps clothing.

Loving the quick early wagon. I might feel like analyzing it later.

Why does this sound so scummy?
This is the birth of all hope.

I actually 100% agree

"There's an early wagon I could comment on but instead I'm just going to act like enjoy the content players are posting and then turn around and place a random vote to downplay its importance" ???

VOTE: Masquerade

[Maestro]

You didn't need to do that but I <3 you for it.

[Maestro]

The wagon theory of mafia

A: I'm pretty sure that's not an actual thing
B: If you think it's a thing, explain how it applies?

[Maestro]

You have 5/7 votes on you.
Mafia is now either eager to lynch you or not lynch you.
So they are willing to sacrifice looking townie to accomplish these tasks.

Not necessarily, at all, in any way? This is a Mini, meaning 2-4 Scum. Meaning 9-11 Town. Meaning this wagon (of 5 players) could easily be 100% TvT and Scum could just sit back and watch it happen. They don't have to want to lynch me and they don't have to not want to lynch me. It's page 2, page 3. They could easily ignore this wagon and nobody would notice, or care. So you're just wrong?!?

Not sure if you legit believe you're right or if you're pullin' stuff out your bum for fun.

[Maestro]

You have 5/7 votes on you.
Mafia is now either eager to lynch you or not lynch you.
So they are willing to sacrifice looking townie to accomplish these tasks.

Like, I'm actually not even 100% sure what you're trying to say here.

[Maestro]

Maestro, has scum voted you yet?

Masquerade has not voted me, no.
Other than that, I dunno.

[Maestro]

My point is that you're wrong...?

[Maestro]

woh woh woh why am I Scum?
(does it sound just as silly in reverse?)

[Maestro]

I don't like that Jeanne and Maestro "claimed" VT, even in a for-the-lulz kind of way.

I don't like that you're assuming or implying that I was claiming "for-the-lulz"
I don't think anything I've done so far implies I was claiming "for-the-lulz"

It was a serious claim, in my first post, made out of frustration and because I knew it would give me something to work with RIGHT out of the gate. Tell me where I'm wrong in my train of thought here, and tell me why claiming VT in a Closed Normal Setup is inherently scummy / something that you don't like.

[Maestro]

OK. Not for-the-lulz. My rather by the book response is that a VT should probably hush up and keep the scum in the dark.

Read this:

In general, you seem to have fixed ideas about how town think and act. You have to let them go. People can act in the scummiest of ways (and this example is not scummy at all, mind you) and still be town. People rarely do what you think they should be doing, what you expect them to do.

Now understand your stupid playbook means nothing to me. How you say you would play a VT, how you would play a VT; none of it matters to me. Deal with it. Move along. And find an actual reason to vote me. (tl;dr Get in line)

But that's no longer what most concerns me. You say you did it for the following reasons:

1) "out of frustration"
2) "It was a serious claim" made "because I knew it would give me something to work with RIGHT out of the gate"

*snip*

[...] These two dissonant reasons somehow found their way into the same sentence, as if you were subconsciously hoping readers would find one explanation they liked and ignore the other one.

Rearranging your thought process here because it's more coherent this way. Nice attempt at a minor misrep. I don't usually subconsciously hope anything when I post, and those two trains of thought / paths of reasoning are not mutually exclusive, and I'm sure you know that. I can be frustrated about X and KNOW with certainty that saying something about X will give me material to work with right out of the gate. That would make me more likely to say something about X, not less likely. The reasons aren't dissonant at all. What makes you think they are?

The second implies that it was a calculated move.

People's behavior when frustrated typically isn't strategic or rational.

Again:

In general, you seem to have fixed ideas about how town think and act. You have to let them go. People can act in the scummiest of ways (and this example is not scummy at all, mind you) and still be town. People rarely do what you think they should be doing, what you expect them to do.

I do not have to accommodate your expectations for what a frustrated person should or shouldn't do. I do X and I am frustrated, therefore frustrated people can do X. Period. You don't expect frustrated people to do X? Who gives a shit? I am and I just did.

My behavior most of the time isn't strategic or rational. Things are more fun that way.

Not to mention the fact that the second reason you've labeled doesn't imply anything about "calculation" - "calculation" puts a needlessly negative spin on me simply taking a moment to think and realize (with a chuckle) "hey, I bet I know a way to shake shit up Day 1 - CLAIM VT", two seconds later, BAM, posted and confirmed. But no, because I dislike RVS and would rather just skip to the part where people sit votes on me all day, I instead become a criminal mastermind (and an idiot at the same time?) on page 1 in my first post. You give me too much credit.

How does neither seem alignment indicative yet claiming VT like that is? wtf.

If any of those votes were scummy, it's more likely to be the later votes than the earlier ones (due to the speed of the wagon). But I'm not inclined to think any of them were scummy atm.

In a case of aggression vs. opportunism, you think opportunism is more likely to be Scum, yes? That seems to be what this implies. Why?

basically it hinders more than helps, to elaborate, just because it gives scum more chance to hit a PR than a VT. regardless of his reasoning, it's probably not going to work as he intended, and if it was calculated it was stoopid bro

Maybe it hinders you more than it helps, but I see it differently. I could easily be lying. Scum will have definitely thought of this. Basically, what Aristotle said: it's Wine, like I said when I first claimed. It's working well at giving me something to work off of, which was all I wanted. You're also giving me too much credit by assuming I put so much thought into this.

KEEP 'EM COMIN' BABES

@Jake from State Farm: where you at, bish? You're 1/3 of the reason I signed up. Come dance with me.

PEDIT:"Bad play =/= scummy play. Always remember that."

...That's fuckin' rude, bro. And based on an opinion, and therefore not necessarily objectively true. And a bit pretentious, Mr.

2014

.

[Maestro]

Tits. There's a borked up quote tag in there, should be fairly easy to understand tho

fixed

[Maestro]

No, it really wasn't.

[Maestro]

Thanks. You've convinced me that your claim was not alignment indicative.

But the other component of my scumread on you was not a playstyle thing. The way those reasons, which were individually valid but unrelated, were injected in there together pings me as coming from a guilty mind.

It's just like if a highway patrolman were to pull over a guy who is speeding on his way to work. The guy's guilty mind might have him say something like: "I told my boss I'd come in early, and I wanted to get a good parking spot, and they might be waiting for me." All individually valid reasons, but together unrelated, and said in a burst like this in hopes that one would cause the officer to be lenient.

My point in saying "frustrated" and "rational" were dissonant was to make clear that these were indeed unrelated reasons (except for the fact that they were supposedly caused by the same thing, being frustrated and making a game move do not necessarily go hand in hand).

This is only a playstyle thing if you habitually make guilty-sounding statements while innocent. If that's the case, then we'll come to see that there's no scum motivation behind your actions and you'll be fine.

Your post was helpful, though, and I appreciate it.

Ew. Your tone is weird.

[Maestro]

I don't know I feel about that whole post yet, but it's not good.

[Maestro]

it's a bad play, and if you've done it it probably sucked

I've seen scum double bus their partner day 1 & 2 and survive to win. Seen it more than once so thanks for your opinion but you are either just inexperienced or naive.

probably just a better player and theorycrafter since that doesnt work in normal games. bussing is a silly tactic, and it's more useful to buddy your mafia buddy and go against meta.

You are 100% not a better player than Jake (and I would be willing to bet you're not necessarily better than me) unless you are an alt, and if you are you should out your main right now because playing under a secret alt while simultaneously being this pompous about how good you are as a player would just be a whole new layer of RL-distrust I couldn't get past to play this game.

UNVOTE:

I've been skimming all day from work and I may respond to things that were said but I just wanted to get it out there: story's attitude is one of the worst I've ever seen on this site, subtly so. It's not about being a 2012 or a 2015 (I joke about those things more often than most - gerroffmahlawn) it's about having a mutual respect for the players on this site. If you can't deal with that, I won't play with you.

[Maestro]

and to think I almost thought I wouldn't want to play this game because of mollie

[Maestro]

Wisdom, Jake is Town

[Maestro]

Why?

Gut for now, I'm at work phoneposting

[Maestro]

explain why I am scum. Because me making a typo at 5 am doesn't make me scum and that's basically the only reason you voted me. If you are town, do better. if you are scum carry on

Yeah, this is scum.

Maestro, your gut is bad

Ouch

[Maestro]

Bussing is a great strategy in many different situations.
You're one of those rare VIs who thinks he's the best shit in the whole room, and I can tell.

[Maestro]

lol no? not at all what he said

I have no interest in this game atm

inspire me plz

PEDIT: jfc FA

what ?! I scared you ?

[Maestro]

@jake
why is Wisdom scum or bad for refusing to vote "obvious scum" when there are like 11 other other people also not voting for "obvious scum"?

He's not scum for not voting kill, he's scum because he's not playing like a townie.

He's avoiding answering questions

from at least 2 people, he provides little to no actual substance,

when asked to explain himself he does in as few words as possible, if he actually does it at all

, he's not doing anything to progress the game and

he's not even attempting to convince others to follow him

.

I think the bolded is the only thing of importance here but it's part of what leads me to think/assume Wisdom is Town. ScumWisdom is usually pushier and grabs for "townbloc" control more often. The underlined is null and par-for-the-course with him, sorry Jake. It's not alignment-indicative.

VOTE: kushmountains

Other than this and post 364, which is basically a scumslip, I have no inspiration in this game. Killthestory makes this entirely unenjoyable to play and I wish one of us would be force-replaced or lynched or killed very soon. If you actually aren't an alt you have a lot of growth to do on this site before you go around calling established players and sound strategies bad. As it is, you're making yourself look like a fuckwit.

[Maestro]

I'm actually legitimately upset about this. I joined to play with Wisdom and Jake (and Aristophanes), and to experience and FA-modded game. Wisdom seems Town and even if he and Jake are duking it out, I appreciate that I'm getting all the good I remember from Jake and none of the rage I used to see from time to time. It's really disheartening to see somebody (KTS) appear out of the woodwork and be allowed to feel like they're the shit and think they already know everything and that everybody and everything else is wrong.

I expect, after prolonged interaction, you will become the second player on this site that I legitimately develop a hatred for. You are a black hole for this game for me, and I don't give a flying fuck if somebody tries to call me out for an appeal to emotion here, because I am emotional but I'm not appealing to anybody or anything.

I'm blocking you, and I'm not dealing with you in this game. Die tonight for all I care; I wish I could shoot you myself. I'm not replacing out of this game and I'm not giving you the time of day if you're going to come onto this site and ruin it for me. I don't have to deal with that bullshit and I won't.

[Maestro]

I joined to play with Wisdom and Jake (and Aristophanes), and to experience and FA-modded game. Wisdom seems Town and even if he and Jake are duking it out, I appreciate that I'm getting all the good I remember from Jake and none of the rage I used to see from time to time.

This inspires me to check Aristophanes' ISO, since I even have (sparse) meta to compare it to. I may come back tonight with that, but don't count on it.

[Maestro]

I'm blocking you, and I'm not dealing with you in this game.

Also, be advised this is 100% serious. If you want me to respond to anything KTS says from now on you will have to quote it because I will not see it in this thread.

[Maestro]

That scumslip though lol.

Explain to me why anybody would be in the mindset of "emulating" a behavior for a Town game. You don't emulated anything in order to tell the truth.

[Maestro]

Give me one good reason I shouldn't hammer you, prick

[Maestro]

You know what. No. I'm not in the fucking mood for you anymore. Get out of this game.

VOTE: killthestory

[Maestro]

Lynch me tomorrow. We have the room for that mislynch, but you I will watch die with pride no matter what your fucking alignment is. Jesus Christ.

[Maestro]

Kill was bleeding towniness and Jake hammered him for attitude. That is like best scum cover for hammering town.

That's why Maestro is now in the scumpile btw. I don't buy personal dislike as an excuse to hammer like that.

In fact, that should be pushed more.

VOTE: Maestro

What do you actually expect me to say, Wisdom? That we

didn't

have the numbers for that lynch or that the game

isn't

better off without KTS around? Buy whatever the fuck you like, but unless you have an actual question to ask, then you can go back to voting Town in Jake for all I care.

[Maestro]

Alright. Yes, the game would be much better with KTS in here. He was obvtown and a good scumhunter, as proven by the fact he caught Dierfire.

And really? We didn't have numbers for a lynch like one week before the deadline? That's the weakest argument ever.

1) You misunderstand, I mean this game is more enjoyable for me without him in it. Regardless of whether he was a good scumhunter or not. Catching 1 Scum in 1 game does not a good scumhunter make.

2) Again you misunderstand. I mean we had the numbers for the ML - and yes we only know it's a ML after the fact, but with 1 Scum gone last night I'm comfortable not giving a shit that we made that mistake yesterday.

Wisdom, let's be honest with eachother. There's no situation, even the expectation of a death-tunnel on somebody not-me, in which I would leave you alive if I were Scum in this game. I knew I'd get scrutiny for such an AtE hammer and I don't give a shit. Wise up. I'm Town. Now move on.

PEDIT: I tried a bunch of different permutations and got a game from 2003 (before any of us joined) and a game from 2015 that Jeanne was in but Wisdom was not. WTF?

[Maestro]

No, you would, because I defended you yesterday and you thought I'd keep doing it.

Not at all, but ok. lol

[Maestro]

And that was to give en example of how Wisdom was playing. His playstyle here is similar to that person's.

Which person? It's not even clear who you're pointing to given the fucked up link, and comparing Player X's play to Player Y's (even if Y is the alignment you expect X to be) isn't like comparing meta. You can't do that unless it's the same person. Try harder tho.

PEDIT: Why? Besides "you thought I'd leave you alone, that's why you kept me alive" - which is basically confirmation bias.

[Maestro]

I'm so fucking confused. Is Wisdom an alt and his main is in that game? vice versa?

Sigh. You don't understand. Read 585 again until you get it.

Ok...

Who says I am not considering these possibilities, Jeanne? Are you in my mind? All is not what it seems.

The fact I'm now calling Jake town doesn't tell you anything?

{Jake, Snarky, Masquerade, Maestro} = lynchpool, that order.

Remove Jake, put Maestro in front

Ok. "All is not what it seems" is the epitome of you being your normal slightly-pretentious and unreadable self. The fact that you're now calling Jake so Town he's not even in your lynch pool means you're calling him Town-that's-so-Town-he's-not-even-in-your-lynchpool. Am I missing something other than your reads progressing, which Jeanne is alledging has not happened?

Jake is town, Jeanne. Maestro isn't.

of course I am, but why the 180 all of a sudden. because now magically maestro is scum and he left you alive to lynch me? like you were a threat to be killed night 1 outside of a possible vig kill that is.

You're wrong. He is definitely a threat to Scum, and he knows this. But his logic is then that, given D1 interactions, I expected he would death-tunnel you and thus I left him alive. As if that would overwrite any potential threat he would pose to me if I were Scum. It's confirmation bias: I am Scum, thus I am more likely Scum because he is alive, which must mean that I left him alive to death-tunnel you, because I am Scum. Vicious circle.

Not to mention by the same WiFoM logic I could say that Scum left him alive to think that I left him alive to death-tunnel you... ad infinitum.

I've said why Maestro is scum, Jeanne. Address my reasoning.

no you didn't, at least not with anything that is actually a reason why he could be scum, just like you didn't give any reason why I was scum originally or why anyone on your list is scum.

I still don't see a reason Jake was ever Scum, so I second this as it relates to your "reasoning" for scumreading first him then myself. It usually just annoys me when you don't give reasoning, Wisdom, but here it just seems silly and more than a little stubborn.

[Maestro]

Ok, it wasn't clear to me that Tere was a user. He wasn't obvTown?

[Maestro]

He wasn't obvTown?

Like, no. It's inexcusable to say this. If he were obvTown I couldn't've hammered him because he wouldn't've been at fucking L-1, Wisdom.

[Maestro]

I tentatively agree that Wisdom is Town; we have the numbers for my ML.
I have no problem dying to prove him wrong. It's happened before.

Just acknowledge Jeanne's glorious fencesitting tomorrow, and give time for the inactives to come contribute.

PEDIT: The Scum death implies either a Vig, SK, or less likely multiball, and the fact that he commented on it could mean he's setting the stage for a Vig claim off of the "confirmable" SK role, given the fact that everything would be true about it except his alignment.

[Maestro]

He wasn't obvTown?

Like, no. It's inexcusable to say this. If he were obvTown I couldn't've hammered him because he wouldn't've been at fucking L-1, Wisdom.

He was at L-1 because people didn't like his attitude.

I disagree with this.

[Maestro]

No, I townread people who are town

I'm glad to find chances every now and then to prove you wrong.

[Maestro]

There's no convincing you right now, I'm assuming, since you refuse to engage in dialogue and nobody else is around.

Maestro is getting lynched and is flipping Town, and all you will look like will be like a fool. And I will enjoy it.

FTFY, Wisdom. It's now directed at you.

[Maestro]

Good, then vote yourself

I'm not going to stoop to your level.
What will you do when I flip Town?

[Maestro]

You can keep saying it all you want; I want to know what you're going to do when you're wrong.

[Maestro]

Good, then vote yourself

I'm not going to stoop to your level.
What will you do when I flip Town?

Assert how you've been playing very anti-town?

Irrelevant. I accept I'm going to be lynched. I expect Wisdom to reevaluate the game and continue to scumhunt, and I want him to be expecting and preparing to do so. Relatedly, I expect nobody to give him a free pass for his bullshit yesterday (with Jake) and today (with me) and hold him to his own scumthunting standards. Don't allow him to shut down and don't allow him to pretend the gamestate is static and don't allow him to continue to scumhunt, because Jake is still wrong: Wisdom is still going to be one of our strongest assets if he's Town and the possibility that he's not Town cannot be ignored, especially if he shuts down after I flip Town or selectively remembers this exchange later in the game.

[Maestro]

Because you're death-tunneling (without engaging with anything I can truly respond to or defend against) and there's no attractive alternative (as far as you're concerned) to lynching me right now.

[Maestro]

don't allow him to

NOT

continue to scumhunt

EBWOP

[Maestro]

I know how you get when you death-tunnel.
I'm being realistic, not fatalistic or anything.

PEDIT: Dunno. You never asked, did you? Jesus.

[Maestro]

I know how you get, Wisdom. Your cockiness is only one symptom of the fact that, in fact, yes - more often than not you get what you want in games, regardless of alignment. You haven't given a shit about me and my mindset today; you never asked about my reads, which was troubling until I realized you're still stuck on the hammer from yesterday. You're absolutely fixated. I've needed to reevaluate the game since last Night ended.

PEDIT: FFS FA

~FA

[Maestro]

Yeah, well, you and I aren't the same person Jake.

[Maestro]

Because you're death-tunneling (without engaging with anything I can truly respond to or defend against) and there's no attractive alternative (as far as you're concerned) to lynching me right now.

Respond to the stuff I mentioned then. Wisdom is not the only one scum reading you.

Just because he never asked you for reads doesn't mean you shouldn't share them.

Later, I will. I need a break before I get pissed about this and other shit.

[Maestro]

I am asking why you're not trying to lynch them and instead you're settling that one person scumreading you means you're dead and you shouldn't bother anymore.

Because I don't care enough, obviously. It happens.

[Maestro]

People change. That happens too.

[Maestro]

I'm not trying to convince you of anything anymore; I haven't been for about a page now. You just need to be prepared for being very, very wrong.

[Maestro]

It's not AtE. It's truth.

[Maestro]

No, I actually don't care Wisdom.

[Maestro]

You really wanna start this? You can't tell me what I fucking think or feel, all you can do is judge me based on my chosen language in a fucking game on a website on the internet, when you're actually probably more than 100 miles away, in a very different setting, with no actual insight into who I am or what I'm doing or thinking. Fuck off Wisdom.

PEDIT: Because

A)

that would probably satisfy your propensity for confirmation bias even more (since I believe I replaced out in M&M ),

B)

that would leave somebody else with you as a problem, and

C)

I don't want to. I could still bounce back not giving a shit about your opinion or this game. It's been hours.

[Maestro]

Do you have anything other than OMGUS at Wisdom?

I don't think Wisdom is necessarily Scum, I advocate caution tomorrow.

[Maestro]

She could also be white knighting.

She = Shiro?

[Maestro]

I've decided. It's farmer/Jake.

Jesus. Fucking. Christ.

Wisdom, are you even Town?

well yea it did but I said from the get go I would prefer you over jake but I thought it wouldnt happen, Jake being a meh read (now scum lean cause of hammer which turned out not to be anyway) I had no problem. Maestro went from a townread to a scumread sure but not to where I had jake and not where I had you.

What?

I agree with the farmer case a bit tbh? But I definitely think we should run up Maestro some more. I won't let the AtE stop me.

No prior experience with Maestro, also I really want him at L-1 because I'm pretty sure he's scum.

Snarky, you have done nothing but follow Wisdom around like a little puppy. That, combined with these two posts, encourages me not to give a shit about what you say or take you seriously

at all

: in your first post you seem to imply that the

AtE

facts about my mood in this game

are being fabricated or etc. with the express intention of preventing my lynch, when I would think it would be clear by now I don't give a shit about getting rope in this game anymore. Meanwhile, in your second post, you imply that me getting to L-1 (if you're right and I'm Scum) is its own reward, which makes no fucking sense. What am I going to do at L-1 that I haven't already done? Claim? You couldn't pay me to claim for you fucks now.

Wisdom's main problem with me (or so it seemed before he started waving his arms farmer's way) seems to confirmation bias ("ZOMG SEE Y U NO SCUMHUNT") allowing him to pat himself on the back for a scumread based on a Townhammer. Why are

you

so sure I'm Scum? You have less reason to be this much of a twit than he does.

Scum don't follow patterns. Like town don't follow patterns. Expecting them to do things is dumb.

Says the guy who just used 3 year old Meta...

(normally I'd be ok with using meta, but he knows the argument is full of shit)

Dat Confbiasing though.
This is what Jake(?) meant by you not considering other options.

...and this is shit I can get behind

PEDIT: Masquerade is cool for doing what, an ISO? Oh, ok.

Spoiler: Here ya go, both of you. Really. YOu deserved it,

[Maestro]

Whatever it is you're describing, it's silly.

Because things are not black and white, unfortunately for you.

Jeanne, I don't give a damn about your situations. I've tried making you see the light. You don't want to. Keep voting me. I don't care.

Maestro, please start playing like town now. I'm positive it's Jake/farmer and I'd like confirmation in you stopping being a scumbutt.

You. Do not. Get to say this shit to other players.

Jake, Jeanne, and I can't all be Scum. Moreover, and more relevantly, we can't all have invented you being a genuine, intransigent asshole this game. We don't make posts for you that make it look like you think you're above all comment or reproach. Attempts to call you Scum or accuse you are met with "you're wrong" or "you're silly" and any attempt to reason with you (any attempt to engage at ALL actually) produces the exact opposite result, which should be understanding and compromise.

You are WRONG about at least one thing in this game, Wisdom, and I don't know what the fuck you expect me to do when you say what basically amounts to "stop being scummy Maestro" when you've been going back-and-forth on me, Jake, and farmer ALL FUCKING DAY. I have no idea what you expect anymore. My support? Let's be clear: you don't have it.

[Maestro]

I've already supported Maestro and said that I echo wisdom's thoughts on you. Aristo I have as scumlean because of the vig comment. the mountains because I have no idea. I explained a farmer, and wisdom and shiro.

Your lack of reads kinda blows.

You've literally done nothing except parrot Wisdom this whole game, you realize that right?

And before you bitch at me about it again, what questions were you insisting I hadn't answered in one of your last posts?

[Maestro]

kush is in prod range. He'll be back soon.

[Maestro]

Also:

What happened to maestro?

Hey. Hi there.

What happened to maestro?

HEY. HI. FUCKER.

Read literally my last post in this thread, then respond to it. I'm nowhere near prodrange, so I have no idea why you said this not just once, but twice. Stop being a useless little shit. Pointing to me and going "but but what about

Maestro

?!" won't make the wagon on you evaporate, nor does it make you look useful or anything.

I've already supported Maestro and said that I echo wisdom's thoughts on you. Aristo I have as scumlean because of the vig comment. the mountains because I have no idea. I explained a farmer, and wisdom and shiro.

Your lack of reads kinda blows.

You've literally done nothing except parrot Wisdom this whole game, you realize that right?

And before you bitch at me about it again, what questions were you insisting I hadn't answered in one of your last posts?

Quoted for your convenience. Now answer me.

[Maestro]

kush is in prod range. He'll be back soon or he'll be replaced.

EBWOP/FTFM

[Maestro]

I'm not giving a reads list, since that seems to be what you're asking for.

PEDIT: Agreed, basically. But I want to do a reread now before I vote. I was having some thoughts once Jake noticed the timing inconsistencies with his insistence that he was sheeping a Townread.

[Maestro]

[Maestro]

All of it. I don't feel like you believe a single thing you're saying

Seconded. I'll do ISOs tomorrow afternoon.

[Maestro]

Reads lists are bad. They help Scum line up options for mislynches and NK accordingly. It just doesn't help to list people in order of how Town you see them; nobody should care. ISOs = rereading the game, Masquerade. You should try reading it in the first place. Snarky is grasping at straws with an argument on me and he is very obviously frustrated that the person he's been parroting and sheeping has now turned on him. Phoneposting for now. More later. Bye.

[Maestro]

been busy, I'll get to this in (expired on 2016-03-21 20:00:00)

[Maestro]

V/LA until tomorrow night

[Maestro]

Boom. Back. Reading up and stuff in a bit.

[Maestro]

No. He did not start lurking until it looked like Snarky was being lynched. I think he went lurking hoping we would lynch Snarky and he'd have another day alive. So I want him today. Also, you have already changed your mind so often that I don't really trust your reads anymore.

BTW, going out on a limb here since I skimmed the last page when I popped in: you're being a douche. V/LA =/= lurking. If you're saying there was some strategic thought process behind me going on V/LA then you should report me because I'm pretty sure that would be abusing site rules?

[Maestro]

I just wish ignore worked in games

Same bruh

[Maestro]

My point is that I'm Town so there's no strategic reason for me to have declared V/LA so you can put the ruler down and stop comparing sizes, Jake.