Mini 1773 : Symphonic Metal Mafia (Game Over?!)

[Jake from State Farm]

He wasn't obvTown?

Like, no. It's inexcusable to say this. If he were obvTown I couldn't've hammered him because he wouldn't've been at fucking L-1, Wisdom.

He was at L-1 because people didn't like his attitude.

I disagree with this.

It's a fact.

just cause you say it's a fact, doesn't actually make it one

[Wisdom]

Who the fuck cares about convincing anyone? Snarky sees scum Maestro and votes scum Maestro. You keep impeding progress because you disagree with how townies choose to play.

[Jake from State Farm]

fwiw those posts helped me townread Snarky, so they were pretty productive. Maestro and Masquerade it is.

so you town read people who basically kiss your ass? got it

[Wisdom]

No, I townread people who are town

[Maestro]

No, I townread people who are town

I'm glad to find chances every now and then to prove you wrong.

[Wisdom]

I never claimed to be infallible

[Jake from State Farm]

I don't see scum maestro, I don't really see town maestro either. I see just maestro. I need to really go back and read some things.

All I see from you though is basically, he's scum because he hammered somebody and didn't care about alignment (yes this is a shitty reason to hammer someone but Kill was p.scummy and probably deserved it) and that alone is a pretty terrible reason to vote somebody. You later add that scum him would leave you alive to continue tunneling on me. Well god damn, scum ANYBODY would do that.

so your reasons for maestro, pardon my french, is complete shit.

you have something better to add? I'm all ears but as long as you hang on to those 2 reasons, nobody should be listening to you let alone sheeping you.

[Wisdom]

Maestro is getting lynched and is flipping scum, and all you will look like will be like a fool. And I will enjoy it.

[Maestro]

There's no convincing you right now, I'm assuming, since you refuse to engage in dialogue and nobody else is around.

Maestro is getting lynched and is flipping Town, and all you will look like will be like a fool. And I will enjoy it.

FTFY, Wisdom. It's now directed at you.

[Wisdom]

Good, then vote yourself

[Jake from State Farm]

your cockiness is really annoying, especially when you have done nothing to earn it.

[Maestro]

Good, then vote yourself

I'm not going to stoop to your level.
What will you do when I flip Town?

[Wisdom]

You're not flipping town.

[Maestro]

You can keep saying it all you want; I want to know what you're going to do when you're wrong.

[Wisdom]

I am not wrong, sorry, you're dying.

[SnarkySnowman]

Reading up. I'm reading Wisdom as town right now for the record.

this post isn't helpful. Please contribute more thanks

I appreciate your attempt at de-railing me.

Can we drop this and agree Wisdom is town? I definitely follow his line of thinking here and I think it's distracting from {Jake, Maestro} scum and {Aristo} SK

no we can't and again you aren't really being productive. The discussion going on with wisdom is actually pretty productive because it's getting people to interact with people. hint hint

I mean now you're interacting with me, so...

Spoiler: A Huge-ass Quote-wall

/confirm VT let the Angry WIFOM OMGUS bastardry begin

Question for those with potentially serious votes: where is the Scum motivation for me / my posts so far?

/confirm VT let the Angry WIFOM OMGUS bastardry begin

let the Angry WIFOM OMGUS bastardry begin

Angry WIFOM OMGUS bastardry

WIFOM OMGUS bastardry

WIFOM bastardry

WIFOM

You have 5/7 votes on you.
Mafia is now either eager to lynch you or not lynch you.
So they are willing to sacrifice looking townie to accomplish these tasks.

Not necessarily, at all, in any way?

This is a Mini, meaning 2-4 Scum. Meaning 9-11 Town. Meaning this wagon (of 5 players) could easily be 100% TvT and Scum could just sit back and watch it happen.

They don't have to want to lynch me and they don't have to not want to lynch me. It's page 2, page 3. They could easily ignore this wagon and nobody would notice, or care. So you're just wrong?!?

Not sure if you legit believe you're right or if you're pullin' stuff out your bum for fun.

WIFOM bastardry

I don't like that Jeanne and Maestro "claimed" VT, even in a for-the-lulz kind of way.

I don't like that you're assuming or implying that I was claiming "for-the-lulz"
I don't think anything I've done so far implies I was claiming "for-the-lulz"

It was a serious claim, in my first post, made out of frustration and because I knew it would give me something to work with RIGHT out of the gate. Tell me where I'm wrong in my train of thought here, and tell me why claiming VT in a Closed Normal Setup is inherently scummy / something that you don't like.

WIFOM bastardry

Wisdom, Jake is Town

FIRST CONCRETE READ OF THE GAME

Why?

Gut for now, I'm at work phoneposting

OKAY MAYBE NOT

@jake
why is Wisdom scum or bad for refusing to vote "obvious scum" when there are like 11 other other people also not voting for "obvious scum"?

He's not scum for not voting kill, he's scum because he's not playing like a townie.

He's avoiding answering questions

from at least 2 people, he provides little to no actual substance,

when asked to explain himself he does in as few words as possible, if he actually does it at all

, he's not doing anything to progress the game and

he's not even attempting to convince others to follow him

.

I think the bolded is the only thing of importance here but it's part of what leads me to think/assume Wisdom is Town. ScumWisdom is usually pushier and grabs for "townbloc" control more often. The underlined is null and par-for-the-course with him, sorry Jake. It's not alignment-indicative.

VOTE: kushmountains

Other than this and post 364, which is basically a scumslip, I have no inspiration in this game. Killthestory makes this entirely unenjoyable to play and I wish one of us would be force-replaced or lynched or killed very soon. If you actually aren't an alt you have a lot of growth to do on this site before you go around calling established players and sound strategies bad. As it is, you're making yourself look like a fuckwit.

This vibes badly, and it feels pretty forced towards the end.

I enjoy Wisdom's sparse style and I may try to emulate it in my next town game.

This is not basically a scumslip - he's saying, he may try to do it in his next game where he rolls town (since, you can roll scum or 3p, you know). It can easily be read in that it says nothing about this game and I think that's how it was meant. Pretty weak.

I'm actually legitimately upset about this. I joined to play with Wisdom and Jake (and Aristophanes), and to experience and FA-modded game. Wisdom seems Town and even if he and Jake are duking it out, I appreciate that I'm getting all the good I remember from Jake and none of the rage I used to see from time to time. It's really disheartening to see somebody (KTS) appear out of the woodwork and be allowed to feel like they're the shit and think they already know everything and that everybody and everything else is wrong.

I expect, after prolonged interaction, you will become the second player on this site that I legitimately develop a hatred for. You are a black hole for this game for me, and I don't give a flying fuck if somebody tries to call me out for an appeal to emotion here, because I am emotional but I'm not appealing to anybody or anything.

I'm blocking you, and I'm not dealing with you in this game. Die tonight for all I care; I wish I could shoot you myself. I'm not replacing out of this game and I'm not giving you the time of day if you're going to come onto this site and ruin it for me. I don't have to deal with that bullshit and I won't.

I'm blocking you, and I'm not dealing with you in this game.

Also, be advised this is 100% serious. If you want me to respond to anything KTS says from now on you will have to quote it because I will not see it in this thread.

Give me one good reason I shouldn't hammer you, prick

Whoa watch the disrespect lad, ill have to report you to the GM if you keep up with that

probably because if you hammer town it secures your lynch tommorow

You know what. No. I'm not in the fucking mood for you anymore. Get out of this game.

VOTE: killthestory

Lynch me tomorrow. We have the room for that mislynch, but you I will watch die with pride no matter what your fucking alignment is. Jesus Christ.

He wasn't obvTown?

Like, no. It's inexcusable to say this. If he were obvTown I couldn't've hammered him because he wouldn't've been at fucking L-1, Wisdom.

He was at L-1 because people didn't like his attitude.

I disagree with this.

HEY WHATS THIS

Side note:

Maestro started out the game nice and active and stuff. Now of a sudden it's like he's a different person. Not interactive and all he can talk about is how much he hates KTS.
What happened bro?

Is it not obvious??
You read the game right???

To be honest, it's not obvious to me, and I've read most of the game :/

Alright. Yes, the game would be much better with KTS in here. He was obvtown and a good scumhunter, as proven by the fact he caught Dierfire.

And really? We didn't have numbers for a lynch like one week before the deadline? That's the weakest argument ever.

1) You misunderstand, I mean this game is more enjoyable for me without him in it. Regardless of whether he was a good scumhunter or not. Catching 1 Scum in 1 game does not a good scumhunter make.

2) Again you misunderstand. I mean we had the numbers for the ML - and yes we only know it's a ML after the fact, but with 1 Scum gone last night I'm comfortable not giving a shit that we made that mistake yesterday.

Wisdom, let's be honest with eachother. There's no situation, even the expectation of a death-tunnel on somebody not-me, in which I would leave you alive if I were Scum in this game. I knew I'd get scrutiny for such an AtE hammer and I don't give a shit. Wise up. I'm Town. Now move on.

PEDIT: I tried a bunch of different permutations and got a game from 2003 (before any of us joined) and a game from 2015 that Jeanne was in but Wisdom was not. WTF?

WIFOM bastardry

Conclusion: Scum Maestro

VOTE: Maestro

another useless post.

maestro could be scum but taking a ton of his quotes and manipulating them isn't the way to convince anyone. back when I played as beck, I was notorious for doing these. They weren't useful, people ignored them, they are almost always very biased, and they just look very manipulative. and yes I did them as town, town can be manipulative just like scum can.

It's not useless, and I didn't manipulate them (other than the first post). I pointed out 1) How much WIFOM he uses and how little content he has otherwise, 2) How he contradicts himself fairly heavily a few times (see the whole KTS getting lynched for his attitude thing), 3) How he has very little in terms of concrete reads.

But thanks for trying to de-rail me more.

fwiw those posts helped me townread Snarky, so they were pretty productive. Maestro and Masquerade it is.

so you town read people who basically kiss your ass? got it

I don't see where I kissed Wisdom's ass. I read him as town because he seems to have a similar thought process to me. Also I don't necessarily see the Masq scumcase. So, if it wasn't clear, I'm not kissing his ass, I just tend to agree with him. But again, thanks for the manipulation and de-railing there.

No, I townread people who are town

I'm glad to find chances every now and then to prove you wrong.

Straight hate.

I don't see scum maestro, I don't really see town maestro either. I see just maestro. I need to really go back and read some things.

All I see from you though is basically, he's scum because he hammered somebody and didn't care about alignment (yes this is a shitty reason to hammer someone but Kill was p.scummy and probably deserved it) and that alone is a pretty terrible reason to vote somebody. You later add that scum him would leave you alive to continue tunneling on me. Well god damn, scum ANYBODY would do that.

so your reasons for maestro, pardon my french, is complete shit.

you have something better to add? I'm all ears but as long as you hang on to those 2 reasons, nobody should be listening to you let alone sheeping you.

See above.

[SnarkySnowman]

Good, then vote yourself

I'm not going to stoop to your level.
What will you do when I flip Town?

Assert how you've been playing very anti-town?

[Maestro]

Good, then vote yourself

I'm not going to stoop to your level.
What will you do when I flip Town?

Assert how you've been playing very anti-town?

Irrelevant. I accept I'm going to be lynched. I expect Wisdom to reevaluate the game and continue to scumhunt, and I want him to be expecting and preparing to do so. Relatedly, I expect nobody to give him a free pass for his bullshit yesterday (with Jake) and today (with me) and hold him to his own scumthunting standards. Don't allow him to shut down and don't allow him to pretend the gamestate is static and don't allow him to continue to scumhunt, because Jake is still wrong: Wisdom is still going to be one of our strongest assets if he's Town and the possibility that he's not Town cannot be ignored, especially if he shuts down after I flip Town or selectively remembers this exchange later in the game.

[Wisdom]

Why do you accept you're going to be lynched exactly?

[Maestro]

Because you're death-tunneling (without engaging with anything I can truly respond to or defend against) and there's no attractive alternative (as far as you're concerned) to lynching me right now.

[Maestro]

don't allow him to

NOT

continue to scumhunt

EBWOP

[Wisdom]

So you have no scumreads basically?

[Maestro]

I know how you get when you death-tunnel.
I'm being realistic, not fatalistic or anything.

PEDIT: Dunno. You never asked, did you? Jesus.

[Wisdom]

Yeah, because I'm the only player in this game and my word is law.

Why are you not trying to get your scumreads lynched?

[Frozen Angel]

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