In post 896, Jeanne11 wrote:I think he's scum because he can't consider the possibility of them being town. I don't know how you see it, but he is way too one-dimensional.
I don't see it like that at all, it's just a (fairly common and effective) method of arguing. Aside from that, this reads exactly like his town play in Machina to me, which is why I think you're wrong about Wisdom being scum.
im not answering anymore of your questions until you go back and answer every single one of mine you have ignored/dodged all game. Especially when the answer to your question has already been explained and obvious to anyone with half a brain
Robbed of a scummy for what had to be the best unvote in mafiascum history.
Re-reading by the way, I see your case on a farmer, but I gutread their iso as town, so I don't know if I'd be willing to follow that. I'd love for farmer to come back and post more though, their iso is really small.
KTS vote was opportunistic but that's the only truly scummy thing I see about them.
Jake is going hard on the offensive and I can't tell what I think of that but I'll get back to that later.
In post 903, SnarkySnowman wrote:Jake is going hard on the offensive and I can't tell what I think of that but I'll get back to that later
What if I told you I do it as both alignments?
Also you seemed so sure I was scum a couple pages back yet now I get the feeling you are less sure. I don't want to put words in your mouth but to me it looks like you are backing off due to negative attention.
Robbed of a scummy for what had to be the best unvote in mafiascum history.
1. People seriously need to stop doing read lists
2. Your read list kinda blows
If you are going to do something useless as a reads list, at least make it less useful and explain why each of your reads are why they are. You basically are just posting more fake content again
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I've already supported Maestro and said that I echo wisdom's thoughts on you. Aristo I have as scumlean because of the vig comment. the mountains because I have no idea. I explained a farmer, and wisdom and shiro.
Lack of reads? I have 2 very strong scum reads and I've provided better evidence for them than you have for either of yours. "I'm sheeping" and "here's a wall of quotes" that's you in a nutshell
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In post 909, SnarkySnowman wrote:I've already supported Maestro and said that I echo wisdom's thoughts on you. Aristo I have as scumlean because of the vig comment. the mountains because I have no idea. I explained a farmer, and wisdom and shiro.
Your lack of reads kinda blows.
You've literally done nothing except parrot Wisdom this whole game, you realize that right?
And before you bitch at me about it again, what questions were you insisting I hadn't answered in one of your last posts?
And hate to agree with wisdom but you haven't explained farmer. You lied about why you town read him in the first place and basically said "I read the game" as to why it went back to null. When i asked for specific examples of things from farmer, you have yet to respond except to falsely accuse me of chain-sawing which is so blatantly false, grasping at straws which imo is also blatantly false, and then you just say I'm scum with maestro.
P.edit - sort of agree with the parrot comment
Robbed of a scummy for what had to be the best unvote in mafiascum history.
I agree with some of your criticisms of Wisdom, but there's one point you bring up that I want to clarify. The assertion that "he can't consider the possibility of [his scumreads] being town" is counteracted by the fact that he's voted 4 different people today, meaning that he's implicitly townreading (through PoE, at least) a couple of those he's previously voted.
I think he is seeming so stubborn outwardly because he thinks moderating his position will weaken its appeal. It's true (even if it's kinda stupid) that someone who expresses no doubt will usually convince more people of his case than someone who expresses a little bit of reasonable doubt. So he's evidently doubting himself enough to change reads, but doesn't let on to it (and I believe he's admitted this much, but I don't have time to find the post right now).
My problem is that, unless he exposes his reasoning a bit more, it'll be hard to figure out whether the reasoning comes from town or scum. We've tried piecing together his case from what he's posted, but the responses have been something to the effect of "No, that's not why I'm scumreading him".
I was worrying that the scumread on him coming from my gut was due to his playstyle. I still think his style so far this game has been a bit anti-town, but I'm also starting to think there's scum behind it.
In post 714, Masquerade wrote:Also, like Dierfire, he adds another perspective. I don't even know why you would add another perspective? If you're town you have one perspective and that's to lynch scum.
What do you mean by this?
I don't know how to explain it better than that.
It's about this specifically:
In post 387, a plain farmer wrote:What town motivations could there be for it? He could think Jake is scum, but as he said, he had townread Jake before then (and seemed to be rather strongly townreading him), and I don't buy that Jake's post was actually scummy enough to warrant such a shift. He could be testing for a reaction, but Jake has provided enough content so far that I don't think he'd be an appropriate choice for this.
What scum motivations could there be for it? The top two wagons at the time were his an Maestro's, and Maestro's wagon didn't seem to be going anywhere. Of the other wagons, the only one that would seem to have had any momentum was Jake's, being pushed aggressively by Wisdom. So I could see him anticipating this wagon's rise and hopping on before it looks opportunistic to do so.
I was explaining how I felt KTS's vote to have been more likely a result of a scum motivation than a town motivation. I explained both the town motivations I could see behind it, and the scum motivations. The town motivations seemed unlikely. Therefore, the alignment underpinning those motivations (town) was itself less likely. I can see how you may disagree with the conclusion I draw, but I'm not sure why the method of reasoning is itself objectionable.
