League of Legends (Old)

[Papa Zito]

lol

[zoraster]

So, Reddit's in a bug hullaballoo over most likely not getting solo queue, so I did the math to see how many games it'd take to get a roughly 50% chance of playing premade 5s vs. random 5s, and in order to save me some time, in order to have a 50.4% chance of playing premade 5s vs. random 5s ONCE, you need to play 4800 games - so its effectively wash for the normal ranked player, despite how much it favours premades.

My understanding is that it's heavily weighted so that premades go against similar premades as well.

The issue with Dynamic Queue isn't playing against premades. It's having your rank compared to people that play in premades. If I play exclusively ranked premades with 4 other friends, I may play against almost exclusively ranked premades with 5 people on their team. But when I walk among the world of League and I display my shiney Platinum rank, what does it mean? Does it mean less because I could rely on my teammates? More because premades are more difficult?

And then when I decide "hey. I'll pop in for a few games of solo ranked" I'm now using a rank that's not the same as the vast majority of people who play solo. Maybe my MMR is too good for me, maybe it's too bad for me.

Fundamentally, the problem is that Dynamic Queue doesn't treat people's rank seriously enough. It waves its hand at the problem of people not being judged on the same standard because it wants to encourage people to team up together.

Anyway, I don't think the system can support both dynamic and soloqueue at a healthy level. I'd prefer Solo Queue with no duos, but I don't think both can survive.

[Psyche]

wow they buffed ekko yet again

[zoraster]

He's getting stronger as time goes on.

[Psyche]

they did nerf runic echoes i guess

[animorpherv1]

I was aware that wasn't the issue - but I think people are legit being too serious about it. Rank doesn't matter until you hit gold for prizes, and then once you hit high diamond for competitive stuff if you want to play in LCS. Everything else is still superficial crap. Like, hitting plat currently gives you nothing but a sense of achievment, etc.

[Ankamius]

The entire point is that everyone is forced into the same queue for that ranked score even though the type of game you get varies wildly between game to game. As an example, queueing up solo and getting matched into a game with a 4man premade on each team, then getting no indication whatsoever that I'm matched with a 4man premade while the other 4man heavily includes their soloq player is a massive advantage even though I'm still left in the dust having to figure all this out by myself.

The level of variance across games increases the fewer players you queue up with, and that's a definite problem. I wouldn't be surprised at all if this was a major factor in why I've been seesawing in gold 5 the past few weeks when I play ranked at all.

[zoraster]

I was aware that wasn't the issue - but I think people are legit being too serious about it. Rank doesn't matter until you hit gold for prizes, and then once you hit high diamond for competitive stuff if you want to play in LCS. Everything else is still superficial crap. Like, hitting plat currently gives you nothing but a sense of achievment, etc.

I guess it's "Superficial" in the sense that there's no tangible reward for it, but it's clearly not unimportant to people. I don't care about skins or borders. I do care about my rank. A sense of achievement is probably 95% of the reason to play ranked. Otherwise, why bother?

[animorpherv1]

As someone who has played ranked soli and dynamic:

1) It is much harder to "boost" people hilariously under your skill level than people think.
2) Gold 5 has always been shit die to people paying to get boosted there.

3) If you are playing at all, you should be improving as you reach higher ranks - otherwise you will still reach a point where you can't even climb with your friends.

[zoraster]

I'm not talking about boosting. I'm talking about the natural effects of the same person playing all the time with his 4 buddies vs. that same person playing by himself. His rank is unlikely to be the same unless all involved are the same level as he is, and even then it's hard to know because the system pairs premades up with premades as much as possible.

[animorpherv1]

I was aware that wasn't the issue - but I think people are legit being too serious about it. Rank doesn't matter until you hit gold for prizes, and then once you hit high diamond for competitive stuff if you want to play in LCS. Everything else is still superficial crap. Like, hitting plat currently gives you nothing but a sense of achievment, etc.

I guess it's "Superficial" in the sense that there's no tangible reward for it, but it's clearly not unimportant to people. I don't care about skins or borders. I do care about my rank. A sense of achievement is probably 95% of the reason to play ranked. Otherwise, why bother?

I 'm not saying you aren't allowed to care - feel free! But each individual rank means very little as nothing but a small goal to hit to improve your play unless you put more into it then that - which is more than fine to do. Its this reason that I feel like people are slightly overblowing it - my rank has nothing to do with your rank, unless we play each other, and even then, at the end of the day, by the end of the ranked season, it will mean almost nothing again.

[animorpherv1]

I'm not talking about boosting. I'm talking about the natural effects of the same person playing all the time with his 4 buddies vs. that same person playing by himself. His rank is unlikely to be the same unless all involved are the same level as he is, and even then it's hard to know because the system pairs premades up with premades as much as possible.

And the same issue was with duo q - but aside from the issue of having up to 3 extra people, duo queue was the saviour of rankd for many people.

[mykonian]

I'd happily avoid running the risk of playing with a 4 man premade too.

[animorpherv1]

Which is once again less likely than people think, and they aren't as evil as people say. I have queedas 4 mans in norms, and very little (if ever) do we bitch about the 4th player and how its all his fault.

[Ankamius]

Norms don't equate to ranked very well.

[animorpherv1]

Norms don't equate to ranked very well.

I can say the quote and edit norms for ranked and still not benlig if it matters.

[animorpherv1]

Basically, I'm not convinced that "These premades are fucking over my ranking" is nothing but an excuse.

[zoraster]

Oh, yeah. I agree with that. My argument is more about the integrity of the ranking system, not that my games are actually that much worse for it.

[animorpherv1]

I can't say much about diminished integrity aside from "my solo queue games actually feel much better this year as a whole", so theres my perspective.

[zoraster]

Well, I'm not sure about you, but I think that may have to do with the champ select. Which is awesome, though it needs tweaks regarding the support position.

[animorpherv1]

Agreed NCS needs tweaks (which is underway), and any changes premades made to diminish integrity feels like always getting the roles your team want have increased it by more.

[Dwlee99]

I've been solo queueing (except for occasionally playing w/ my bro) and I've been climbing just fine.

[zoraster]

I actually think climbing as a solo should be easier than as a group.

[hiplop]

(except for occasionally playing w/ my bro)

leeroh is the man tbh

[animorpherv1]

I actually think climbing as a solo should be easier than as a group.

Then you have to ask riot for some major changes to lol, because not only will you communicate better with people you know, but you can also guess what they will do, making your game easier on you - and this is true for virtually every game and sport.