Mini 471: End.

[kravhen]

Nabakov, why are you so trusting of the mason claim?

I will prove to you why it is a lie. Imagine yourself in Albert's stead, and your foolish scum buddy claims mason with you after falseclaiming watcher...

...if you deny being mason, town lynches kravhen to find out he is scum. We would then lynch you next because the only logical player the scum would want to latch onto with a fake mason claim is a scum buddy. Think about it: If you were Kravhenscum, fake claiming mason, who would you want to claim is your mason buddy? A town, or a scum? The only logical choice is a scumbuddy, because he won't automatically out you when he realizes you're lying. But now Albert is in a tough position: If he denies the claim, kravhen gets lynched and comes up scum, and the result traces right back to this mason claim, leading Albert to his demise as well. So in reality, Albert has no choice but to claim mason as well, hoping the town buys into it.

So when you say Albert can't be scum because he backed up the mason claim, your town-tell isn't really as telling as you think it is. The two scum are right in front of you, laughing at your gullibility. Lynch the both of them, and we may be able to salvage this game. Come on man, it's not that difficult to see.

Good thinking. Maybe I should've just claimed mason for myself and just wait for my mason partner to out himself, that would've helped. But your explanation doesn't make me scum. You base your scenario assuming both me and albert are scum. You say Albert outted himself just because I'm his scumbuddy and since I mentioned him, means we're linked. What if I was scum and Albert was town, and as scum my ultimate gambit would be to fakeclaim mason with Albert partner. If he denies, then according to your scenario you would assume he was scum when in fact he was the last townie, and youd mislynch him for the scum win. And if I was scum and he wasn't there would be no real reason for him to agree and claim masonmate, he'd just point fingers at me or something.

So as far as I'm concerned, this way of thinking about things by you is dismantled..

[Atticus]

Vote Count

Erotomachia

(1):

Blue Zebra

pickemgenius

(2):

Albert B. Rampage, NabakovNabakov

theopor_COD

(1):

kravhen

Albert B. Rampage

(3):

pickemgenius, d3sisted, theopor_COD

Not voting (1): Erotomachia

[Blue Zebra]

I can see pickem, Erotomachia, and theopor as scum together.

unvote, vote: pickemgenius

He made that shit up. There was no deliberate planning of the mason claim. Post 103 where he unclaims and claims mason was all made up. The "You're being stupid, let go" is Albert-scum telling him to unclaim watcher.

What does Albert-scum think is going to happen after kravhen-scum unclaims watcher?

In fact, the more I think about it, the more impossible it seems that the two of you could've conceived of the entire watcher plan in the course of 1 night. So this must mean you have the ability to chat in daytime as masons, which completely defies the traditional mason role.

They didn't conceive the plan together, Albert thought of it and told kravhen.

[d3sisted]

@BZ: It's interesting how you're answering their question for them about their actions.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Stop being so DUMB d3sisted. LOOK AROUND YOU.

[pickemgenius]

Blue Zebra.... it's a good thing I have no expectations of you as a player.

Cause if I did, my standards would have droppped significantly.


Could I get

any

reasoning for your vote btw?


this game should be over.


abr,kravhen,bz


end of story.

[d3sisted]

What is there to look around at, I asked you a question. Can you or can you not talk during the day, and did you or did you not setup the watcher plan during the day?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I CANNOT talk during the day, and I DID setup the plan during the NIGHT.

[Albert B. Rampage]

In fact, the more I think about it, the more impossible it seems that the two of you could've conceived of the entire watcher plan in the course of 1 night. So this must mean you have the ability to chat in daytime as masons, which completely defies the traditional mason role.

Hai. I think Nab is scum 4 sho. Let's vote him out.

"OK, what do you suggest ?"

I have a brilliant plan. You gonna claim watcher and we gon kill Nab with our claim without outing the cop.

"Woooo me likey. But what if there actually is a watcher ?"

Then claim mason.

"Omg perfect plan kk."

[Albert B. Rampage]

Think. Why would I claim a guilty (watcher nonetheless) on Nab, who I have just ruthlessly attacked during the previous day ?

D3sisted, you really botched this game up. That ChronX lynch was completely your fault. Don't come and tell me that you know who's scum, after having lynched someone you had an innocent on.

Put the trust in FOUR TOWNIES. Me, krav, BZ and Nab are all townies. We defend each other because we are logical beings.

Look at theo and pickem. They don't make a real case. Ero is the last scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

And I might be the worse person to try and convince you, but that's that. Sometimes you are paired with people you don't like. Life's a bitch. You still have to cooperate with them until you reach your objective, until when you can say CIAAOOOO BABY.

[d3sisted]

Nabakov, I must thank you for bringing this up because it prompted me to relook kravhen's mason claim post.

I can only assume you mean what I think. So be it.
UNCLAIM: Watcher

CLAIM: MASON

Sorry I lied. I know I owe you all an explanation, so I'll just drop the facts right here for you all. Me and Albert are masons. Many things can help you believe in this, like the fact that me and Albert have NEVER confronted each other. That's what I noticed although at some point I feared we might've been labeled scum because we wouldnt attack each other. It also explains that Deadscilent followed Albert everywhere.

Albert also told to keep her mason role secret no matter what until the right time came, that's why she panicked but still claimed vanilla townie.

She also didn't want to dissapoint Albert's plans by dying, I guess. He told me his convictions that we should go after NabNab and his plan was for me to claim watcher and say I saw Nab visit Patrick. At first I didn't know what a watcher was, and wondered why I didn't just claim cop. I guess cop is a role that is way too common and if I claimed it the real cop would come after us. That's what I figured. The post I quoted from Albert was my cue to drop the game when it would stop going anywhere and attracting the info we hoped to get. So it seems that according to Albert, the reaction to my watcher claim on Nabakov has taught him what he wanted to know. Or maybe I was just starting to sound redundant and before I couldnt handle my lie anymore, the cue was given.

And that's the show, folks... I had heard Albert rolled crazy. Verdict: He does.

Pay attention to the bolded segment.

Im a norm Townie I dont really care if Im killed. Ill just be laughing when you finally do kill me and realize Im telling the truth.

XD

Deadscilent's claim came on post 352, on

Day 1.

The game had a

day start.

You heard it from the mason himself that they

cannot talk during day.

Yet somehow, Albert was able to tell deadscilent to "keep her mason role secret no matter what until the right time came".

So either you both get modkilled for violating Atticus’ fourth rule, or kravhen has told a brazen lie.

Your time is up, scum.

[d3sisted]

And yes, I admit I botched the game up by lynching ChronX, whom I had a confirm on. But if that's the cost for taking down two scum, I'm down with that.

[Albert B. Rampage]

We were able to talk during the confirmation stage.

[d3sisted]

LOL. Don't even try to bullshit me. You are really stretching this one, ABR.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Are you retarded ? Confirmation stage both mafia and masons get to talk to each other.

[d3sisted]

I'm retarded and you're scum, how bout that?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Lol k. Ask anyone in this game, or in any game you are in. All mafia and masons are always able to talk during the confirmation stage. Really lol, go ask. Anyone. I dare you to.

[d3sisted]

Alright. If atticus can confirm this, I'll admit I'm wrong.

Mod: Can masons and scum talk during confirmation?

[Albert B. Rampage]

As a supplementary precaution, you should go and ask anyone who has ever been in a game with masons if masons are able to talk during confirmation stage. Also to please me.

[d3sisted]

Scared?

I don't see a point in doing so, as all mods have their own way of doing things.

In fact, I feel I ought to reword my question a little to make it easier for Atticus:

Mod: Can masons talk during confirmation, and if there aren't any in this game, would you have let them talk during confirmation if there were?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Anyway, we got side-tracked and I called you retarded...hmmm...anyway, when you are proven wrong, will you finally unvote and give me the benefit of the doubt before you can make more accusations ?

[d3sisted]

Anyway, we got side-tracked and I called you retarded...hmmm...anyway, when you are proven wrong, will you finally unvote and give me the benefit of the doubt before you can make more accusations ?

Sounds fair.

[d3sisted]

This reminds me of good ol' Open 27. Except I was scum in that one.

[kravhen]

This reminds me of good ol' Open 27. Except I was scum in that one.

I wasnt there.. what happened in Open 27?

Also, I cant believe you are asking if mason and scum, especially SCUM, can talk in confirmation stage. The reason people make a big deal out of people who take a long time before comfirming is because they think theyre "buying time to contact their scummate before the game starts"... And if scum can talk masons can talk, think about it. Theyre both an informed minority. They know each other, can talk to each other except one side is allied with town and the other is not and can kill..