Newbie 1691 - Game Over

[Eggman]

There is no RVS on Epicmafia; as far as I know it's unique to this website.

Finding my quotes for the case now. I promise, I'm trying on this

[KickAssAndGiggle]

Ah, EpicMafia. Epic is to Mafia what a child's tricycle is to a bike.

Everything relies on the PRs, and all the popular setups have PRs for everyone. More luck than skill. Last time I played there, flavor of the month was a 9-player, 3xOracle, 1xGunsmith, 1xLighthouse keeper setup. How much more luck based do you want!

"LOL scum is naked" = often the only comment on D2, am I right?

Forum mafia requires much more effort, but winning is so much more rewarding. However, on a per-day basis, it only takes as much time as, say, 2 typical EM games.

There is no RVS on Epicmafia; as far as I know it's unique to this website.

RVS only applies to the first 4 - 5 pages of D1: Random Voting Stage. There's nothing random about the votes today: it is established that the town consensus is that either Ircher or you are getting lynched today.

I see you are still logged in: hoping for a follow up post.

[YawningAngel]

I don't even recognise some of those roles. With that said, I'm not sure there's much luck involved in a game with four investigative PRs.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

Oracle = reveals one players role AFTER they (the oracle) dies. Oracle can pick new person each night.

Lighthouse keeper: when dies, all chat next day does not contain user name.

(I assume you know gunsmith)

So trust me, it's luck: oracle picks scum, scum picks oracle, GG D2 town wins. Oracle picks oracle, scum picks oracle, GG D2 scum wins. (Ish)

I mean, there ARE fair setups on EM but hardly anyone plays them.

[YawningAngel]

Lighthouse Keeper sounds like the worst role ever. Good luck to them, I guess...

[Ircher]

I do think my updated case on Egg has some good evidence to back them that does not exclusively relie on his lurking.

Egg promised a case/big post and has not upheld it.

Finally, I ask mhsmith to give me til 24h 20m after this post, as I have school still at 5 Pacific (Im in EST)

[KickAssAndGiggle]

I'd be supportive of that, because I was expecting a follow up from Eggman that has not materialized. I have no idea what the strike-through in his post was for.

[mhsmith0]

Yeah that strike through was odd. I'm not currently convinced on the Egg case, but I don't have a problem waiting a while longer to see what materializes there.

@Ircher: did you mean 24 hours or 4 hours? If the former, what advantage to the town do you think would be created by giving you an extra day? I'm fine extending this a couple of hours past 5PM PT (I'm a bit busy myself w/ work), to let's say 8PM PT, but I don't think that indefinite postponement is town-positive.

[Ircher]

So when and if I am lynched, I can give any final 2 cents I may want to give. Is that not protown to allow a townie a final chance to speak?

If I'm Mafia, you can dismiss what I say as wifom

I'm asking for until 4PM EST (GMT-5) tommorrow if that's when you are making your final decision.

On the other hand, if you want to lynch me right now or very close to now, then feel free to do so.

[mhsmith0]

If you plan to take the final day to provide us with additional information and reads, that's fine. I can live with that. Please note that I also expect a role claim by then.

[Ircher]

I refuse to roleclaim as that's a lose situ for town.

Basically, if I think of anything between now & then, I don't won't to be hammered before I get to speak.

I don't have anything right now though, I just don't want to get cut off for no good reason. You can hammer me now as I am prob. not going to contrib anymore, but I want that possibility open if I decide to. Understand?

[KickAssAndGiggle]

How is it a lose situ for town? If you're a PR, at least we force scum to kill you, we can try lynching a scum.

If you're a VT, we know we're not shooting ourselves in the foot. Townies get lynched and still win if town wins.

Refusing to claim when intent to hammer is hanging is anti-town. If you stand by this:

You can hammer me now as I am prob. not going to contrib anymore

Then I don't see why smith need to give you 24 hours. No point waiting for nothing.

[Ircher]

Fine, I claim VT.

Its lose cuz if I don't get lynched, scum aren't nking me & will prob. be able to deduce who's the pr at this point.

[Ircher]

Also, I am asking that smith either hammer now or give me 24 h, but not something inbetween; its an ultimatum.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

Your last read list:

Likely Town

(85%-97% Confidence)
KAAG (95%) - Fair, unbiased, open, and actively participating and being good town. (Vague, but basically it).
Mhsmith (88%) - Similar to KAAG, but I do have a qualm with the initial speed he was advocating my lynch for. Overall, working this game out.

Leaning Town

(60%-84% Confidence)
SIW (80%) - Newb town; with Utl/Radja town, the TvT assoc. strengthens here.
YA (65%) - His defense of me seems natural and not opportunistic. His hammer yesterday seemed to be a newb mistake that is the result of misunderstanding how things work, making it null. More on his def: YA/Ircher was scumteam, then his defense of me would basically be suicide. If it was Egg/YA, he'd get called out for trying to bus Egg and would benefit more from trying to lynch me for the association becomes weaker. So, likely newbtown here who miswords some stuff, etc.

Null

(0% - 30% Confidence; No/Very Weak Read)

Neutral

(31%-59% Confidence; Mixed Read)

Leaning Scum

(60%-75% Confidence)
Shannon (-63%) - PoE amongst other things. Gut says scum, though I haven't looked through the ISO.

Likely Scum

(76%-100% Confidence)
Egg(-82%) - I outline the reasons why in my "The case against lurkers...." spoilered post. Yes, its cuz of lurking, but lurking isn't policy material, it can be scum indicative, so pls don't discount this as an invalid reason.

Still good?

[mhsmith0]

Ircher, I'll give you the 24 hours you requested, although at this point it's mainly just an extended twilight due to the possibility that you might be town having a terrible game, since given your VT claim, unless you have a HELL of a case on someone else, the lynch isn't moving.

[Ircher]

Your last read list:

Likely Town

(85%-97% Confidence)
KAAG (95%) - Fair, unbiased, open, and actively participating and being good town. (Vague, but basically it).
Mhsmith (88%) - Similar to KAAG, but I do have a qualm with the initial speed he was advocating my lynch for. Overall, working this game out.

Leaning Town

(60%-84% Confidence)
SIW (80%) - Newb town; with Utl/Radja town, the TvT assoc. strengthens here.
YA (65%) - His defense of me seems natural and not opportunistic. His hammer yesterday seemed to be a newb mistake that is the result of misunderstanding how things work, making it null. More on his def: YA/Ircher was scumteam, then his defense of me would basically be suicide. If it was Egg/YA, he'd get called out for trying to bus Egg and would benefit more from trying to lynch me for the association becomes weaker. So, likely newbtown here who miswords some stuff, etc.

Null

(0% - 30% Confidence; No/Very Weak Read)

Neutral

(31%-59% Confidence; Mixed Read)

Leaning Scum

(60%-75% Confidence)
Shannon (-63%) - PoE amongst other things. Gut says scum, though I haven't looked through the ISO.

Likely Scum

(76%-100% Confidence)
Egg(-82%) - I outline the reasons why in my "The case against lurkers...." spoilered post. Yes, its cuz of lurking, but lurking isn't policy material, it can be scum indicative, so pls don't discount this as an invalid reason.

Still good?

Maybe move Shannon to neutral, but yes for the most part.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

Well, smith ninja'd me, so I'll leave it to him.

[Jackal711]

VOTE COUNT 2.5

SummerInWonderland (0) -
YawningAngel (0) -
mhsmith0 (0) -
shannon (0) -
Eggman (2) - YawningAngel, Ircher
Ircher (3) - Eggman, SummerInWonderland, shannon (L-1)
KickAssAndGiggle (0) -

Not Voting: mhsmith0, KickAssAndGiggle

With 7 alive, it's 4 to lynch.

Day 2 deadline is Friday, April 8th 2016 at 10:30 pm PDT or in (expired on 2016-04-08 22:30:00)

[Ircher]

Where Egg's case.....

I think he is simply stalling til I'm lynched; AlwaysInnocent did the same thing in N1666 on D3 when I was mislynched in LyLo.

[mhsmith0]

24 hours is a good amount of time for Egg to show up. Hopefully he has something useful to say.

[Ircher]

Ircher, I'll give you the 24 hours you requested, although at this point it's mainly just an extended twilight due to the possibility that you might be town having a terrible game, since given your VT claim, unless you have a HELL of a case on someone else, the lynch isn't moving.

This is rather typical of a game for me. Sometimes I get deathtunneled like here, but typically, I survive a few days til death.

[Eggman]

I've tried to put together a case, but I'm not sure what to say or what to quote that hasn't been quoted by someone else already. So, here's some stuff I don't think anyone has harped on yet.

Also it takes me a while to write this stuff because I'm not good at it

I actually do a lot of wagon hopping for fairly small reasons... It's just something I do, I temd to vote the one who has mostly recently and consistently given me scumvibes.

This feels like a fishy excuse to try and get out of the heat of that question in particular.

Hence my warning earlier, but that warning is more relevent tomorrow; we should be lynching in the following pool today:

{Shannon, Ircher, Egg, YA} in no particular order. Doubting our townreads isn't going to help us at all for today.

794, this was right before SiW voted Ircher. Why do you have yourself in your own lynch pool? Do you think you're scummy? Are you the mafia? Were you subtly encouraging SiW, Smith, and KAAG?

Fine, I claim VT.

Its lose cuz if I don't get lynched, scum aren't nking me & will prob. be able to deduce who's the pr at this point.

...You do know, VT claims are pretty much worthless 'cuz both mafiosi can claim the exact same thing

(says the guy whose only defense was claiming VT... let's move off of that)

.Going back to matrix6, if you were actually VT that means that {Smith, KAAG, Shannon, SiW} would be the pool for mafiosi and PRs.

[Eggman]

EBWOP: But let's not theorize until twilight. For now, focus on the lynches and their potential benefits.
And also my questions. That would be good?

[SummerInWonderland]

Eggman do you have anything else???