Mini 1780 - camn's apartment 2 - Finale

[Davsto]

Actually scratch that, Anti mentioned that in camn's last game scum had a name cop, so that would actually make scum find out before town did

Fuck

[Fate]

"ideally we can make a way to make that happen"

Right so my thought is

Marquis' role is a role that we have no idea what it is, right? Like, we know its title is tracker "something", but not what the something is

So he could do something like "if I flip tracker detector, there are 2 trackers in the game, if I flip tracker radar there are 3 trackers in the game..." etc etc, or it could be the amount of punctuation in one paragraph of his role PM or something like that.

So we only know what the number of trackers are when he feels it necessary to claim because there have been too many tracker claims, or when he dies

...

Am I overthinking this?

actually a decent idea DAvsto

and here I was beginning to doubt you

[You Got Schooled]

Davsto's sudden involvement in the game based around set-up spec is scummy. Set-up spec is a favourite for scum to take part in.

Davsto is prob getting my bullet. I'm also highly demotivated with this game and look forward to D1 ending any time soon.

[Antihero]

"ideally we can make a way to make that happen"

Right so my thought is

Marquis' role is a role that we have no idea what it is, right? Like, we know its title is tracker "something", but not what the something is

So he could do something like "if I flip tracker detector, there are 2 trackers in the game, if I flip tracker radar there are 3 trackers in the game..." etc etc, or it could be the amount of punctuation in one paragraph of his role PM or something like that.

So we only know what the number of trackers are when he feels it necessary to claim because there have been too many tracker claims, or when he dies

...

Am I overthinking this?

if marquis can come up w/ a system of hypoclaiming, that'll be fine too.

just outright claiming x isn't really helping scum that much (at this point putting themselves in the "claimed tracker" pool would be pretty dumb)

but... whatever marquis wants to do. either way will work.

[Antihero]

Davsto's sudden involvement in the game based around set-up spec is scummy. Set-up spec is a favourite for scum to take part in.

Davsto is prob getting my bullet. I'm also highly demotivated with this game and look forward to D1 ending any time soon.

/sigh

if dnttu actually does flip scum, i'm really not seeing any scenario where nachogami is town.

but you really can't do that...


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[Davsto]

Davsto's sudden involvement in the game based around set-up spec is scummy. Set-up spec is a favourite for scum to take part in.

Davsto is prob getting my bullet. I'm also highly demotivated with this game and look forward to D1 ending any time soon.

You're kidding me, right?

1) Setup spec is my jam in general. Seriously. I love setup spec.
2) What do you mean by "sudden involvement"? I've hardly been "distant" for the majority of the game, and if you're talking about timezone related coincidences, well, you can fuck right off.

[Davsto]

You're going to be town after tonight, YGS. Play like it.

[You Got Schooled]

Have you been around all game and posting? Sure.

But your posts were seriously lacking any sort of content or scum hunting. But now we're all about set-up spec you're right in there given your 2 cents? Nah, doesn't sit right with me. Scum love set-up spec because scum always have more information than town.

You can eat a bullet. Enjoy.

[You Got Schooled]

Anti, why would Tire lie about being Psychiatrist? If we do have a SK I'm surprised they haven't come forward though.

I don't know. I hate set-up spec and would much rather do good old fashioned scum hunting but that's been killed.

[You Got Schooled]

If SK hasn't come forward then they prob want to continue playing as SK which means that Tire dies N1.

If they don't die, we can reevaluate after that. I would love to lynch Davsto though.

VOTE: Davsto

Can't remember who we were voting.

[Davsto]

If you're going to push me, at least don't fucking lie

In all seriousness though, I'm unsure how I feel about Marquis' unvote.

Feels kinda like he's worried those on this wagon will have bad connotations in the future and wants to be seen to have unvoted me

hmm

Anyway I think my self-vote got as much interest as it's gonna get

I was expecting more of a kerfuffle really

VOTE: Marquis

Tell me why you think pk is a pain

Just pisskop in general can be kinda annoying

And I didn't vote myself "out of nowhere" per se

First, RVS wagon, I thought I'd be a bit sarcastic and join in
Second, as I have stated before, reactions yay

Tell me, do you have an actual, stateable reason

why

self-voting is bad? Or are you just repeating it because it sounds nice? Right now, it's just sounding like one of those things you just sorta repeat without really getting why.

I mean, I have a town lean on you, so the answer to that question seems kinda obvious.

Please! Oh please let me join the RVS wagon on me!

VOTE: Davsto

you could start talking about your fire townread.

I've played a fair amount with Fire and know him fairly well at this point imo

He didn't really seem to give a shit, whereas the tone he gives as scum is... different

Not great at explaining early gut reads tbh

yeah fuckit this is a better vote than Marquis

VOTE: You Got Schooled

They asked for a wagon with momentum, I say give it to 'em.

Because

If you're telling the truth about how your action resolves, you have a great reason to not be shot by YGS

If you're lying, then you have no reason not to be shot other than YGS' own judgement

That's why you might be lying about how it resolves.

But sure, no attempt at scumhunting

Holy fuck

[Davsto]

Have you been around all game and posting? Sure.

But your posts were seriously lacking any sort of content or scum hunting. But now we're all about set-up spec you're right in there given your 2 cents? Nah, doesn't sit right with me. Scum love set-up spec because scum always have more information than town.

You can eat a bullet. Enjoy.

Also, I personally love setup spec because it's interesting to me, thus that bullshit "scumtell" is entirely irrelevant. Like, I have pretty firmly established I do it whatever alignment I am.

I setup spec however much the fuck I want thank you very much.

[Davsto]

Like setup spec is probably one of the parts of Mafia I enjoy most

Let me enjoy it for fuck's sake

[You Got Schooled]

I find it really funny that you think the stuff you quoted is scum hunting.

REALLY funny.

[Davsto]

I find it really funny that you think I'm scum.

Really funny.

[Davsto]

I also find it pretty scummy you could describe that as "not scumhunting"

I'll make it clear for you since you appear to lack basic reading comprehension.

[Davsto]

In all seriousness though, I'm unsure how I feel about Marquis' unvote.

Feels kinda like he's worried those on this wagon will have bad connotations in the future and wants to be seen to have unvoted me

hmm

TRYING TO FIGURE MARQUIS' ALIGNMENT

Anyway I think my self-vote got as much interest as it's gonna get

I was expecting more of a kerfuffle really

VOTE: Marquis

VOTING WHO I THINK IS SCUM TO SEE WHAT SHIT HAPPENS

Tell me why you think pk is a pain

Just pisskop in general can be kinda annoying

And I didn't vote myself "out of nowhere" per se

First, RVS wagon, I thought I'd be a bit sarcastic and join in
Second, as I have stated before, reactions yay

Tell me, do you have an actual, stateable reason

why

self-voting is bad? Or are you just repeating it because it sounds nice? Right now, it's just sounding like one of those things you just sorta repeat without really getting why.

INQUIRING INTO PERFORMER'S REASONING TO SEE HOW GENUINE IT FEELS

I mean, I have a town lean on you, so the answer to that question seems kinda obvious.

TOWNREADS ARE AN IMPORTANT PART OF FINDING SCUM TOO!

Please! Oh please let me join the RVS wagon on me!

VOTE: Davsto

you could start talking about your fire townread.

I've played a fair amount with Fire and know him fairly well at this point imo

He didn't really seem to give a shit, whereas the tone he gives as scum is... different

Not great at explaining early gut reads tbh

SEE ABOVE

yeah fuckit this is a better vote than Marquis

VOTE: You Got Schooled

They asked for a wagon with momentum, I say give it to 'em.

PUSHING A WAGON WHAT I THINK IS SCUM TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS

Because

If you're telling the truth about how your action resolves, you have a great reason to not be shot by YGS

If you're lying, then you have no reason not to be shot other than YGS' own judgement

That's why you might be lying about how it resolves.

INQUIRING INTO ODD THINGS ABOUT HOW SOMEONE IS CLAIMING THEIR ROLE WORKS BECAUSE SCUM LIE

[Davsto]

You're welcome

[pisskop]

lol @ whats aninformed townie

[Performer]

Caught up into pg 40. Will be very busy today so I'm not sure I can catch up until tomorrow, for the rest of the pgs (which are only 2 more pgs).
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pisskop

i am an informed townie who knows there are x trackers in town

i know the x i'm not sharing it but it's more than 1

i didn't expect anyone to outright counterclaim tho

i just felt like kuribo could be a scum version of my role. idk why i didn't consider him actually one of multiple trackers, but i really have no idea how he could claim so quickly like that against an obv reaction test

First impression was, "Just what was going on here? " I didn't see why there was a good reason to out his role.
Then I thought, " wait , there are 2 possible explanations...1 world is where he is deceiving us, which means he's mafia aligned. The world #2 is where he's also deceiving us but taking a town gambit."

[Davsto]

Now YGS, are you going to start being sensible? Because right now your vote is utter, utter bollocks.

Your scumread on me is based on two things:

1) I haven't scumhunted (objectively wrong)
2) I like setup spec (null, I love setup spec regardless)

So, you going to start being useful? Or are you going to be added to my new list of "worst people to give a gun to in mafia"?

[pisskop]

VOTE: davsto

[You Got Schooled]

I'll respond to your other posts later when I'm at a PC because fuck quote walls on a phone.

But sure, go ahead and add me to that list because you're getting shot.

[Performer]

So I was townreading Kahlan for what looked like genuine town posting from a rookie.

But then the replacement came in with what looked like the most staged assault ever, against me, from pgs 35-39
I lay a reaction test for his replace-in, he later stated he realized it was indeed a reaction test, instead of carefully looking through his predecessor’s short ISO to address me about my reaction test, he claimed Tracker under no good reason, stated in 912 that he was possibly joking about the claim; later claimed Tracker again, provided a lackluster photo “catch-up” in 926 of “blah blah blah, I’m too old for this, unicorns and avatars” instead of engaging us and providing catch-up in thread; On top of that, the guy’s played many many games and is a nurse irl – to be a nurse, you have to have high patience and a high level of customer service . So yes, I’m saying what he did on pgs 35-39 was staged – in other words, from scum.

I checked his posts elsewhere and combining that with his request to replace out – looked like there was something heavily personal going on that he let influence him in the game. I’ve personally seen relatives, a classmate, and read news about situations like this….where they’d get so pissed off that they’d call me names and act like they were going to murder me. But don’t let it get to you, it’s nothing you did, it’s something they’re going through on a personal level. So pisskop, no need to feel bad about the interaction. There’s a difference between people like that being unnecessarily antagonistic , people who're pushing people for good reasons, and people who can express anger healthily - I’ve experienced firsthand more than enough situations to tell the difference.

The behavior exhibited from him on those pgs, was far pushing the line and I’d also advocate for a ban of him.

[Nahdia]

UNVOTE:
for now

so i was speccing a bit but doing a more thorough read now

Spoiler: catch up

was performer kidding about the whole Brandi thing on page 4 lol? what was even the point of that LOL

scumvibes from davsto's direction and the last time that happened i ignored them and his slot went on to carry the game so im gonna not ignore that.

DNTTU is right in 242 imo, that is a really awkward post by pisskop.

i just wrote down that kahlan is blatant town in 267 but then i realized he's my slot LOL dammit dude.

as of 280 Antihero can also be a townread.

kind of just ignoring marquis as i reread since i saw their recent claim and that basically confirms them as town fmpov.

331 awks. 374 is one of those posts where it's like "dang that's so outrageously poor idk if u'd say it as scum tbh"

aiden leaning town so far.

page 15 ok im gonna move from intense reading to intense skimming

im so mad at kahlan being my slot like omg 378 epitome of townpost.

ok bored of skimming.

yeah uh so i vaguely read the first 20 pages and i've read the last 5 or so and if im missing anything rly important let me know thank u new friends.

been quite busy for a new player Nahdia

Nice to meet you

in before Katsuki and white knight claims

nice to meet u too. ^_^

ok so

antihero and marquis are town. and aiden. and like, You Got Schooled i've liked all their votes but haven't taken much notice of their content and VCA is probably bad when there's not a single flip lol.

VOTE: davsto

this is a good wagon. Tiresias would also be a good vote, off the top of my head.