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In post 479, monogarden wrote:

I think Thor relies way too heavily on logical fallacies that he uses to attack people.

Maybe I do.

How is that scummy?

[RadiantCowbells]

If Thor votes Grendel based on an actual scumread, even if that scumread is 'I'm gonna help RC bus', I'll give you my Grendel case.

Otherwise I'd rather just get rid of Thor.

[HobbesDuncan]

...Why not just give the case?

[Pants98]

Yeah consider how likely it is that you will get NK's I'd just reveal it now.

[Thor665]

You acted incredulous immediately when I acted like you should jump ship to Grendel and discredited the push in its entirety by implying you were the only one scumreading him and you immediately refocused your attention on Pants at that point.

1. I was the only one scumreading him - if not, please name who else was doing so - I'll wait.
2. Even if I did refocus on Pants - that isn't a chainsaw on you, now is it?
3. Is it?

Did you first 'actually push on me' after the Pants thing came up? Yes. But I think that's, if you're scum, because you thought it would be too obvious if you immediately pushed on me and me jumping ship to Pants both gave you an excuse to press on me and made it look a lot less related to the Grendel push.

So I hid my chainsaw by appearing to not attack you over Grendel, but even though there's no evidence of me having an issue with your push on Grendel I'm chainsawing you over him due to the lack of evidence because I'm hiding my motivations.

Do I have that correct?

You avoided the Grendel wagon for the get go and didn't engage with me properly after claiming a scumread on me. These are facts.

How did I not engage you after calling you scummy?
This is a lie - straight up.

Thor, gimme some reads.

On whom?

In post 479, monogarden wrote:

I think Thor relies way too heavily on logical fallacies that he uses to attack people.

Maybe I do.

How is that scummy?

"Funny image"]

Incredulity does not a case make.
How is it scummy?

[RadiantCowbells]

1. I was the only one scumreading him - if not, please name who else was doing so - I'll wait.
2. Even if I did refocus on Pants - that isn't a chainsaw on you, now is it?
3. Is it?

Does Micc count?
Besides, it's not as if reads are static and unchangable.
(for people besides you)

So I hid my chainsaw by appearing to not attack you over Grendel, but even though there's no evidence of me having an issue with your push on Grendel I'm chainsawing you over him due to the lack of evidence because I'm hiding my motivations.

Do I have that correct?

No, there's evidence that upon my decision to push Grendel you didn't engage it and continued to try to snowball a Pants wagon.
That /suggests/ that you may be scumpartners and the bigger picture suggests that the entire stunt may have escalated as a chainsaw.

How did I not engage you after calling you scummy?
This is a lie - straight up.

You're engaging me now, yes.
You did not engage with me in the period that I'm referring to, nor did you engage me about my desire for a Grendel wagon!
You sidetracked it and said you wanted to get a Pants lynch done.

Incredulity does not a case make.
How is it scummy?

Have you noticed that no one in this game needed to make a case on you to get you to L-1?
I just want you to sit and think about that for a while.
You might come back and say 'BUT THE PLAYERS ARE WRONG', but that's how things always are, so adapt!

[Pants98]

This isn't going anywhere and we barely have two days left. I feel like if Thor really doesn't convince us soon we should just hammer him.

[RadiantCowbells]

I would prefer to wait for that as well, yeah.

But like if he's not going to produce any content I'd like to see him replaced ideally.

I'm working on those reads you asked for. They should be up today, but if not they will definitely be tomorrow.

[Grendel]

@Grendel - you ducked explaining how I was chainsawing you. I'll ask again - can you describe how I was chainsawing for you? Because I wasn't, and that two people are using that case while neither is explaining it does not hang well with me.

Also, can you explain how I wasn't forthright in calling you scummy? I pretty much opened the day saying "I find Grendel scummy because of Micc's reads" how could I have been more "forthright" exactly?

Thor, you’ve been saying I’m scummy for a while now, but aren’t voting me. You’ve certainly inferred that you thought I was scum, but for the most part you’ve just said “x thing is something scum would do”, or “I think that was scummy” but you never openly went full circle and said, “So i think Grendel is scum, and we should lynch him tomorrow”. The closested you got to that was saying you wouldn’t be opposed to a Grendel lynch. The whole thing feels like you would like to see me lynched, but don’t actually want to dirty your hands to do it. That's why I don't think you've been really forthright.

There were multiple times in your discussion with RC where RC said to lynch Grendel. Not necessarily at you, some was to others in the game, you still could have addressed that further though. Instead you were talking about Pants, then after voting RC you talked RC’s scum playing ability, and kept focusing your energies on him even when it wasn’t getting anything done, when RC just wanted to talk about me. The overarching theme of discussion between you two was that RC wanted you to vote me. So while he tried talking you out of a Pants lynch, you both know that the discussion would come back to me. You also knew that RC’s ultimate goal was to lynch me today. So you could afford to go after RC in a manner that would be interpreted as an attempt to move discussion away from me, and make it about RC, because that’d only make RC want to lynch me more. When i flip town however, your actions wouldn’t seem scummy b/c you were directing talk away from town to your new suspect RC who just got a townie lynched.

What I’m saying is the while Pants is who you were both talking about at the time- the underlying point would come back to me. Like the RC defending Pants is a subplot in a chapter about RC leading a lynch on me. So the fact that you started going after RC during the Pant’s subplot doesn’t mean you weren’t aware of the directions things were taking. Eventually it has to come back to me, and it’d be good for you to look like you were against RC who will be the one leading my lynch. It’s not like RC has been obscure about his platform. Now though, since RC is calling you out, and willing to lynch you. Even if it’s for something as vapid as play style. You’re trying to discredit others observations of your activities. Which i suppose is part of the game, there would be much going on without debates. However, I don’t get why disagreeing with you makes me scummy though. It seems the "hypothetical" plan i’m referring to is giving way. Given that its beginning to look like I'm not getting chopped today.

Your case reads like weaselly bull hookey - can you clarify any of it? Or will you ignore my question again because you're scum with RC?

Then lynch me, because you’re going to have a harder time getting RC out of the picture then you will me. Also it appears that's the only way RC will reveal his case on me, and I'm becoming increasingly interested in this smoking gun that'll apparently get me insta-lynched.

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[RadiantCowbells]

Thor, last chance.

Do you want to lynch someone besides you?

[Pants98]

If Thor hasn't responded by when there is 24 hours left I will hammer.

[Pants98]

UNVOTE: Monogarden

VOTE: Thor

It's been 24 hours and nobody has posted yet?!? Whatever it's done.

[RadiantCowbells]

*shrug.

[RadiantCowbells]

Fork couldn't get over his tunnel

[Thor665]

This was a terible wagon, and I hope town learns from how terrible it was.

But I kind of doubt it.

[Thor665]

Like, the following are all lies;

1. Thor chainsawed "anything"
2. Thor tunneled only RC
3. Thor only wanted to lynch RC.

Thank you and derp night.

[RadiantCowbells]

It was a bad wagon, no one's disagreeing, but that's not

my

fault.
You put me in a position where my choices were to risk bringing you to LyLo with a deathtunnel on me or to lynch you.
I couldn't even get your vote onto someone who might actually be scum so we can forestall LyLo.

I mean...?

[Thor665]

It was a bad wagon, no one's disagreeing, but that's not

my

fault.
You put me in a position where my choices were to risk bringing you to LyLo with a deathtunnel on me or to lynch you.
I couldn't even get your vote onto someone who might actually be scum so we can forestall LyLo.

I mean...?

What in the universe are you smoking to believe any of this?

[Thor665]

Basically you wetre like;

1. I refuse to present a case.
2. Thor points out issues with Pants that I later buy into.
3. Thor now suspects me for rolefishing - I will not discuss the case with him (or my case on Grendel, which he also has issues with and is calling my partner) but will declare him utterly deathtunneled - even though he's only been voting me for like 12 hours.

And then "none of it is your fault"?
No.

[Thor665]

And you ignored that multiple players sheeped a case that was a lie, and you know it was a lie because you couldn't back it up - and *I* am the deathtunnler with issues?

[Thor665]

Town should lynch you immediately tomorrow, but I doubt they will, ah well.

[RadiantCowbells]

Let's just call this a learning experience for both of us and move on from it.
I never said you were scum though! I just said I was afraid to bring you to LyLo and have you speedvote me.
My case wasn't a lie either.



Thor, what I want you to do is ask for spoilers and then just rethink how you read me.
okay?

[RadiantCowbells]

My point was that I HAD a case, I HAD reasons to scumread you.
I came around that they were wrong because you reacted town.
I wouldn't have been trying to get us both onto the same wagon if I was still scumreading you.

There's no point in us having this argument.

[Shadowmod]

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