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Post #6375 (ISO ) » Sun Apr 17, 2016 4:08 am
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by Dwlee99 » Sun Apr 17, 2016 4:08 am
In post 6371 , BROseidon wrote: In post 6369 , animorpherv1 wrote: Dwlee has a point. Also, if you're fundamentally changing how the game is played in order to change a class, then you may as well just make a separate game because you'll lose a massive chunk of the player base doing what you want.
Also, ADCs have been BALANCED around all of these facts for almost as long as ADCs have existed. So you're then fundamentally changing the balance of an entire class for the enjoyment of 1 person.
It's for strategic diversity and for better viewership.
Sieges are boring. Making full-on team fight comps that don't win by "lol just push and never engage" systemically stronger makes for a better viewing experience.
Respond to me. How do we kill this tank meta without a source of dps?
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Post #6376 (ISO ) » Sun Apr 17, 2016 4:10 am
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by zoraster » Sun Apr 17, 2016 4:10 am
buff turrets, buff objective rewards.
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Post #6377 (ISO ) » Sun Apr 17, 2016 4:11 am
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by zoraster » Sun Apr 17, 2016 4:11 am
What tank meta? Top lane goes tank, sometimes jungle does... but that's not really an issue?
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Post #6378 (ISO ) » Sun Apr 17, 2016 4:13 am
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by Dwlee99 » Sun Apr 17, 2016 4:13 am
In post 6377 , zoraster wrote: What tank meta? Top lane goes tank, sometimes jungle does... but that's not really an issue?
How to play league:
Step 1: Pick a random champion.
Step 2: Build Sunfire Cape and Iceborn Gauntlet
Step 3: Profit.
Proof:
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Post #6379 (ISO ) » Sun Apr 17, 2016 4:15 am
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by zoraster » Sun Apr 17, 2016 4:15 am
Also of the top 10 most commonly picked Top champions in plat+ play, only 3 are true tanks. Ekko builds tank now, but that's sure to be fairly short-lived in the next few patches.
Irelia, Darius, Trundle build bruisery
Yasuo and Riven build damage.
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Post #6380 (ISO ) » Sun Apr 17, 2016 4:16 am
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by zoraster » Sun Apr 17, 2016 4:16 am
If you're worried about items... the answer is probably tweak items.
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Post #6381 (ISO ) » Sun Apr 17, 2016 4:20 am
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by mykonian » Sun Apr 17, 2016 4:20 am
and Ekko still functions as a bruiser. His stun is tricky, but his slows and base damages make him work.
You could build a frozen heart on caitlyn, it wouldn't make her a tank.
Bruisers being a dominant force is totally unheard of obviously. That never happens.
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Post #6382 (ISO ) » Sun Apr 17, 2016 4:23 am
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by BROseidon » Sun Apr 17, 2016 4:23 am
In post 6375 , Dwlee99 wrote: In post 6371 , BROseidon wrote: In post 6369 , animorpherv1 wrote: Dwlee has a point. Also, if you're fundamentally changing how the game is played in order to change a class, then you may as well just make a separate game because you'll lose a massive chunk of the player base doing what you want.
Also, ADCs have been BALANCED around all of these facts for almost as long as ADCs have existed. So you're then fundamentally changing the balance of an entire class for the enjoyment of 1 person.
It's for strategic diversity and for better viewership.
Sieges are boring. Making full-on team fight comps that don't win by "lol just push and never engage" systemically stronger makes for a better viewing experience.
Respond to me. How do we kill this tank meta without a source of dps?
Nerf tanks?
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Post #6383 (ISO ) » Sun Apr 17, 2016 4:25 am
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by BROseidon » Sun Apr 17, 2016 4:25 am
In post 6381 , mykonian wrote: and Ekko still functions as a bruiser. His stun is tricky, but his slows and base damages make him work.
You could build a frozen heart on caitlyn, it wouldn't make her a tank.
Bruisers being a dominant force is totally unheard of obviously. That never happens.
Tbh bruiser meta was one of the more interesting metas
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Post #6384 (ISO ) » Sun Apr 17, 2016 4:46 am
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by Dwlee99 » Sun Apr 17, 2016 4:46 am
So change literally the entire game just because you don't like adcs.. uh ok.
And bruisers still can't be killed by assassins/mages.
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Post #6385 (ISO ) » Sun Apr 17, 2016 6:11 am
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by Voidedmafia » Sun Apr 17, 2016 6:11 am
I think the turrets at least need to be buffed, at least.
I also think the death times are stupidly long for 30 mins, but.
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Post #6386 (ISO ) » Sun Apr 17, 2016 6:14 am
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by Voidedmafia » Sun Apr 17, 2016 6:14 am
I mean, I'm not gonna argue whether or not there being an ADC in G5 affected Fnatic's ability to push from Tier 1 to Nexus from one ace, but I find it hard to believe that being dead for, what, 40+ seconds at 32 mins. had no impact.
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Post #6387 (ISO ) » Sun Apr 17, 2016 6:18 am
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by SleepyKrew » Sun Apr 17, 2016 6:18 am
4 midlaners? Uzi used to be a midlaner? Nah, no midlaners.
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Post #6388 (ISO ) » Sun Apr 17, 2016 7:02 am
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by SleepyKrew » Sun Apr 17, 2016 7:02 am
sick stickers peke
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Post #6389 (ISO ) » Sun Apr 17, 2016 8:35 am
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by Voidedmafia » Sun Apr 17, 2016 8:35 am
Where a half-second means
everything
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And wow did Origen let that slip from their grasp.
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Post #6390 (ISO ) » Sun Apr 17, 2016 8:36 am
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by Dwlee99 » Sun Apr 17, 2016 8:36 am
I would also like to mention that adcs have a smaller impact than tanks pre-30 minutes into the game unless fed.
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Post #6391 (ISO ) » Sun Apr 17, 2016 8:36 am
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by zoraster » Sun Apr 17, 2016 8:36 am
they did, but i never thought the game was as far in favor of origen as the casters seemed to think. Although they were down in kills, G2 managed to answer most kills with objectives.
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Post #6392 (ISO ) » Sun Apr 17, 2016 8:37 am
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by SleepyKrew » Sun Apr 17, 2016 8:37 am
To be clear: quack
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Post #6393 (ISO ) » Sun Apr 17, 2016 8:53 am
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by BROseidon » Sun Apr 17, 2016 8:53 am
In post 6390 , Dwlee99 wrote: I would also like to mention that adcs have a smaller impact than tanks pre-30 minutes into the game unless fed.
Lol.
Missing the point so hard it hurts
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Post #6394 (ISO ) » Sun Apr 17, 2016 8:54 am
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by BROseidon » Sun Apr 17, 2016 8:54 am
"ADCs are OP" and "the game systemically requires ADCs" are two different things
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Post #6395 (ISO ) » Sun Apr 17, 2016 9:05 am
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by Voidedmafia » Sun Apr 17, 2016 9:05 am
So, how scripted do you think this'll be, BRO, on a scale of 1-10 (1 being "3-0 CLG" and 10 being "3-0 TSM")
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Post #6396 (ISO ) » Sun Apr 17, 2016 9:26 am
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by BROseidon » Sun Apr 17, 2016 9:26 am
I dunno.
Win NALCS to give fans false hope is a pretty fun storyline. I think you can argue scripted either way.
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Post #6397 (ISO ) » Sun Apr 17, 2016 9:34 am
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by Voidedmafia » Sun Apr 17, 2016 9:34 am
In post 6396 , BROseidon wrote: I dunno.
Win NALCS to give fans false hope is a pretty fun storyline. I think you can argue scripted either way.
Well, it's rather obvious that NA is gonna do jackshit at MSI. That's just the way things roll.
Although, as far as a good showing in groups, you may have a point.
(I prefer reading the script as NA stomping everything either as the fav or the underdog and everyone else constantly going off-script)
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Post #6398 (ISO ) » Sun Apr 17, 2016 9:41 am
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by zoraster » Sun Apr 17, 2016 9:41 am
man that was a fun game.
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Post #6399 (ISO ) » Sun Apr 17, 2016 1:01 pm
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by Voidedmafia » Sun Apr 17, 2016 1:01 pm
game 5, baby!
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