Mini 1783: GTA 2 Mafia (GaME OVAH)

[Code of Honor]

oh today was titus?
VOTE: Code of Honor
Someone hasn't answered my question. >:3

pedit she and eh

You should answer mine. I am trying to read you.

Thoughts on Ircher?

~Titus

[Ircher]

Yep, there you go, Titus's "Why Me? Fry Me" Scumtell.

[The Banterlords]

oh today was titus?
VOTE: Code of Honor
Someone hasn't answered my question. >:3

pedit she and eh

dwlee

@Banter
What's your thoughts on Magna?

They've been posting walls recently but before that I was town reading them.
I've noticed this game I have wayyyy too many town reads though so I need to fix that.

oh today was titus?
VOTE: Code of Honor
Someone hasn't answered my question. >:3

pedit she and eh

You should answer mine. I am trying to read you.

Thoughts on Ircher?

~Titus

I think ircher is town as they seem to be solving the game. I haven't actually read all the posts but from what I've read +++

[The Banterlords]

^ more dwlee

idk what the hell kt is doing honestly

[The Banterlords]

i'm gonna read from page 28 and on and actually read
~ more dwlee

[Dragon Knight]

Yep. Let's fry her. This is 100% her scum game.

VOTE: Code

If you had read, you'd have known which head this was.

[The Banterlords]

Why is it unsurprising?

As I explained to Code above – my gut reaction to the terrible “case” (if you want to call it that) Ranger threw at me was “scum”. I disagree with your premise that this stance isn’t Scum looking to diffuse the wagon on them. A Town player in Ranger’s shoes should have some suspicion of the players whose case on Ranger’s slot is “Meta from prior player and lurking”. There was enough noise made in that direction that several other players stepped in to say “No, not lynching that”. But Ranger blithely just chalks that whole crew up to “Unimpeachable Town” which to me makes no sense from a Town standpoint. Especially on the basis she has provided as support.

You say it is unsurprising that she called her accusers town, but you're arguing that she's scum because she's not doing what you'd expect a town player to do in her position. It sounds like scum-her would have been better doing the expected from town and pushing one of her towny suspects, making her look town and still helping her push a mislynch. So her reads are not as expected or unsurprising as you made it sound.

Also, why is it so hard to believe that she does find them to be town? I find it harder to believe that a scum player would give up on such easy pushes.

Yeah, I really don't get the "Scum looking to survive" vibe from her. I mean, it's not like she claimed cop at L-1

See this comment confuses me. Do you think it was scummy for a player to claim Cop at L-1? Independent of what I think of Dragon’s play that lead to the wagon I don’t see anything inherently more scummy about claiming at L-1 as opposed to Jean claiming Watcher effectively “just because”. Of the two Jean’s claim looks objectively worse when viewed form a distance.

A cop claim at L-1/2 from a suspected player is always something to be weary of. I think I've already said how damaging it could be to us if he's scum, but I'll say it again. If he was getting lynched on D1, the cop claim buys him another night (where he can kill and or use his role) and another day, where he can claim a result, which can lead to a mislynch. A mislynch on day 2 would buy him yet another night and day. A cop claim is a free ticket. He loses nothing because he was already getting lynched and he can win two nights and two days, plus all the chaos and distraction he can cause.

It's much different from Jeanne's claim. She wasn't under as much pressure, there was talk of lynching her but no wagon. Her claim had risks (DK's didn't). Claiming cornered her into a role that could bring her difficulties later on. If she had the role she'd have to use it wisely because she'd have to reveal her results and couldn't risk getting caught lying. If she didn't have the role the risk would be even bigger because she'd be forced to lie. This was entirely avoidable. It is counterproductive and unnecessary. If there's something bad about her claim is that it was also completely unnecessary for her to do claim as town, but Jeanne obviously didn't bother to play and relied on her role to survive.

MoI, talk to me. I thought you'd see this, but apparently you don't. How is ranger's lynch acceptable but DK's isn't, taking not just their claims, but their play in consideration?

-Snow (previous one was mine too)

Ok I thought I had been talking to you this entire time.

I think I’ve explained this in my response to Ranger but I’ll reiterate – both players I’ve read as scummy. Dragon for his early player which earned my vote and Ranger for the replace in reads which to me don’t logically come from a Town standpoint. As I said earlier – I’m not lynching an UnCCed Cop Day 1 no matter how bad their player is. Dragon’s claim will be tested via Night and re-assessed. On the other hand I don’t believe a Watcher is nearly at the level of Cop as far as leash Day 1 goes.

Is Ranger my preferred lynch? No, not at this stage. But it is a lynch I would consider dependent on how my read on the slot develops.

As much as I'd like to, I'm not arguing for a DK lynch, I'm giving them a chance and hoping they're town, even though I'm aware their claim can be really hurtful to us if they're scum. So, if I'm willing to take this risk with DK, as are you, why aren't you willing to take the risk with Ranger? Because her reads "don’t logically come from a Town standpoint"? Because her role is weaker? Opinions. Opinions I disagree with. "Opinions" that to me can't logically come from a Town standpoint.

You're downplaying the value of her role and stubbornly scum reading her for things that are just wrong, no matter how well you try to justify them.

- Snow

yea i got nothing.

[Dragon Knight]

Was it necessary to quote that entire wall?

[The Banterlords]

oh yea I multiquoted that before I started arguing with someone on skype about social welfare. Polar is town. That thought process is real.
~Both Dwlee

pedit it reminded me

[FA_Q2]

I can get behind a code of honor lynch. I do not like the way Titus advocated for leashing the cop and I remember going around this with Titus before and she was 100 percent on the opposite side. A quick read through all of her posts in her profile paints a picture of her using this play to screw town over and and bragging about how she has done so.

It does not fit into her overt defense of it here. Something is off.
VOTE: code

[FA_Q2]

I have been placed on 16hr shifts for the next few days so I am going to be on soft V/LA over that time. I will post but time and patience is going to be limited.

V/LA until saturday

[Ranger]

The most suspicious thing about 699 is how it is literally my exact reads.

Otherwise, that was a pure town post from Ircher.

[Ranger]

As of page 29, I think Code of Honor is the third scum.

It's just...awful posting.

[Ranger]

This is 100% scum!titus

Yes.

Yes, it is.

We agree about something.

If MagnaofIllusion's wagon dies down, it'll be Code of Honor's I join.

[Ranger]

{BlueBloodedToffee, Dragon Knight, Polar Vortex}
{The Banterlords, FA_Q2}
{TheDominator, Ircher}
{Masquerade, BlackStar}
{A Real Scourge}
{Code of Honor, MagnaofIllusion}

To explain the reordering: I'm separating my top-tier into three different tiers. The tier remaining at the top are the names that are absolutely 100% town. The second tier are names that I'm pretty much 100% sure are town, but there's less evidence to support me. The third tier is "town, with minor reserves": for TheDominator, it is the stubbornness behind his play not exactly being pro-town, and for Ircher, it is lingering doubts around an otherwise-solid slot.

Then you get to the town tier: Masquerade remains a townread, but not a top-tier one; BlackStar is gaining in rank.
A Real Scourge remains probably scum.

But Code of Honor has shown themselves in the last few pages to be 100% scum, and so too is MagnaofIllusion.

[Polar Vortex]

I honestly can't understand Code's last posts. She is misunderstanding a lot of stuff. Like claiming ircher wasn't doing anything specific or that his read said my slot was scummy(hint: it didn't).

I would have hated ircher if he hadn't attacked Magna before Snow did. Usually scum want to anticipate where the wagon is going to be and jump on it before fully forming. I don't think that's what ircher is doing now. And yes, I am concerned he's trying to buddy me but I don't feel it quite yet(mainly because I think my slot is fucking towny and if you can't see that you're blind)

I also hate the way Code defends magna just based on the fact that ircher attacked him. First, that's a stupid way to scumhunt before you get at least one flip. Second, the confidence that ircher is scum is just jarring. Like I really don't get it... All in all, I had a Code townread prior to this and those posts aren't enough for me to argue a lynch today but it is something to keep in mind


And then DK, yeah, this town is horrible but 90% of the reason for that is that you're a part of it.


Bearbert D

[Ranger]

I honestly can't understand Code's last posts. She is misunderstanding a lot of stuff.

"Misunderstanding". With quotation marks.

It kind-of reminds you of someone you happen to be voting right now, doesn't it?

[Polar Vortex]

I honestly can't understand Code's last posts. She is misunderstanding a lot of stuff.

"Misunderstanding". With quotation marks.

It kind-of reminds you of someone you happen to be voting right now, doesn't it?

Not exactly no. Magna was manipulating what you said to mean a slightly different thing but with things in common. Code is just getting stuff straight up wrong. Don't get me wrong, it's still suspicious but not at the same level as magna.

Bear

[Ranger]

Eh, I'm still voting MagnaofIllusion for good reason, but I think given this, you can at least understand why I'd move to Code of Honor in a heartbeat, yes?

[Polar Vortex]

Eh, I'm still voting MagnaofIllusion for good reason, but I think given this, you can at least understand why I'd move to Code of Honor in a heartbeat, yes?

I don't understand your need to justify changing your vote to me. But I think you should considet their whole play, not only the last few posts

Bearbert

[Polar Vortex]

There is something I severily dislike in ircher's catchup post. He said that my slot doesn't ingage in stupid TvT. But that implies there are some strong TvT in the game(and I don't go into them like the others-as a constrast). But I don't see any interaction that reeks of TvT. The only that are quite similar to an usual TvT are MagnavsRanger and FA_Q vs BBT. But I guess he was reffering to the former. At the same time, isn't Magna his primal suspect? Why would he consider an interaction between his best suspect and his most trusted townread as TvT. Doesn't add up. Not if he's town. But if he'a scum he could know that both are town. Really, really don't like this. Care to explain, ircher?

Bearbert D

[Ircher]

By TvT I mainly meant strong arguments, as though tend to be in my experience TvTs.

[Ircher]

I would lynch Code, but his play kinda makes me think of his townplay in the other game I played with him.

[Dragon Knight]

Umm, Titus is a chick.

[Ircher]

I always forget.....