Mini 1762: Game Over

[Virtue]

Implosion what's ur read on rask and GR?

Hmmm

[Virtue]

Here's my PoV.

I'm town.
Kirroha I'm nearly positive is town by play.
Nino is conftown by claim.

{Gif has an inno
Imp has a gunsmith inno}

So if you claim to be town that leaves

{GR, Syndesis, Magna}

Do you think that's the scumteam or do you think that one of the innos is wrong?
Think hard about it.

So if you're town that leaves

3 scum in
{GR, Synd, Implosion,

[Virtue]

I agree with your points. I think the remaining scum are kirroha and syndesis (PoE + Magna and your analyses of their associations with rob)
I think lynch order should be kirro -> synd -> magna. Remember to always consider new information, however.

Synd as scum w magna

[Virtue]

One/Two scum in ink/Rask/syn

Beeboy is v/la till Monday so he won't be here to answer our questions

I'd rather focus on someone whose actually here like ink

Hmph...

[Virtue]

Syn, Implosion, why is it that every dead by nightkill town suspects at least one of you?

Syn, why does it look like GR is bussing you in his last post?

[MagnaofIllusion]

Syn, Implosion, why is it that every dead by nightkill town suspects at least one of you?

To be fair BBT was a Vig Shot .... Nino listened to Radiant and there you have it.

[Virtue]

*this

[Virtue]

Vote Count 1.12

TaishoGal

(6)

: kirroham, implosion, NinoMasaki, Killthestory, Syndesis, BlueBloodedToffee

(L-1)

Rubixxx

(3)

: ink, tojam2, I Am Innocent

(L-4)

ink

(1)

: Rubixxx

(L-6)

BlueBloodedToffee

(2)

: TaishoGal, RadiantCowbells

(L-5)

tojam2

(1)

: Raskolnikov

(L-6)

Not Voting

(0)

:

With 13 players alive, majority is 7 today.

(expired on 2016-02-22 15:30:00)

Vote Count 1.13

TaishoGal

(6)

: kirroham, NinoMasaki, Killthestory, Syndesis, BlueBloodedToffee, tojam2

(L-1)

BlueBloodedToffee

(3)

: TaishoGal, RadiantCowbells, Raskolnikov

(L-4)

Rubixxx

(2)

: ink, I Am Innocent

(L-5)

ink

(1)

: Rubixxx

(L-6)

Not Voting

(1)

: implosion

With 13 players alive, majority is 7 today.

(expired on 2016-02-22 15:30:00)

Syn and Implosion have some explaining to do regarding why this GR wagon folded.

Vote Count 1.14

TaishoGal

(6)

: kirroham, NinoMasaki, Killthestory, BlueBloodedToffee, tojam2, I Am Innocent

(L-1)

Tojam2

(3)

: Syndesis, implosion, Raskolnikov

(L-6)

BlueBloodedToffee

(2)

: TaishoGal, RadiantCowbells,

(L-5)

Rubixxx

(1)

: ink

(L-6)

ink

(1)

: Rubixxx

(L-6)

Not Voting

(0)

:

With 13 players alive, majority is 7 today.

(expired on 2016-02-22 15:30:00)

Vote Count 1.15

TaishoGal

(6)

: kirroham, NinoMasaki, Killthestory, BlueBloodedToffee, tojam2, I Am Innocent

(L-1)

BlueBloodedToffee

(3)

: TaishoGal, RadiantCowbells, Raskolnikov

(L-4)

Tojam2

(1)

: implosion

(L-6)

Rubixxx

(1)

: ink

(L-6)

Killthestory

(1)

: Syndesis

(L-6)

Not Voting

(1)

: Rubixxx

With 13 players alive, majority is 7 today.

(expired on 2016-02-22 15:30:00)

Vote Count 1.16

TaishoGal

(5)

: kirroham, NinoMasaki, Killthestory, BlueBloodedToffee, tojam2

(L-2)

Killthestory

(4)

: Syndesis, I Am Innocent, ink, implosion

(L-3)

BlueBloodedToffee

(3)

: TaishoGal, RadiantCowbells, Raskolnikov

(L-4)

Not Voting

(1)

: Rubixxx

With 13 players alive, majority is 7 today.

(expired on 2016-02-22 15:30:00)

[Virtue]

Syn, Implosion, why is it that every dead by nightkill town suspects at least one of you?

To be fair BBT was a Vig Shot .... Nino listened to Radiant and there you have it.

Ok, everyone but KTS who they mislynched pushed D1.

Why wasn't the D1 wagon looked at heavily after the GR scumslip?

[Virtue]

Implosion/Syn

If you do not have good answers to my questions, I am voting one of you.

[Raskolnikov]

Thank god, now it's just up to MoI.

[Virtue]

Hey, I am not sure if they are teammates or not. Don't go putting words in my mouth. Pretty sure at least 1 is.

[Raskolnikov]

Hey, I am sure they are teammates.

Don't

go putting words in my mouth. Pretty sure at least 2 is.

[MagnaofIllusion]

MOD I’ll be V/LA from 5pm EDT today until Monday morning EDT for my usual weekend family duties.

Yeah at this point I’ve read through IAI’s ISO. I have some thoughts but more or less I’m waiting on Implosion and Synd to return to the thread and answer any outstanding questions. If this doesn’t happen by the time I get back from V/LA ….

[Raskolnikov]

prodge

[implosion]

Syn, Implosion, why is it that every dead by nightkill town suspects at least one of you?

You really are begging the question here. KTS, RC and Dwlee all almost certainly died because they were claimed PRs. As MoI mentioned BBT was a vig shot. That leaves IAI as the only nightkill that can really meaningfully be speculated. Looking at his ISO, IAI did suspect me; he also suspected rask and called syn town. He didn't really discuss those suspicions much on day two because neither of them were under pressure. You're hilariously mischaracterizing this game if you look at the nightkills and think it's relevant that each of them suspected at least one of the two of us. Even that statement is just so weak, that every townie killed at night suspected at least one of two people. I don't really feel like doing the work for it right now but it's almost certainly true for plenty of pairs of people in any given game just statistically. This line of reasoning both distills the opinions of people that have died into "did they suspect at least one of these two people" which both ignores their read on the other (in this case, IAI having read syn as town) and assumes baselessly that the reason they were killed was for their reads (which almost certainly isn't true of anyone but IAI, and still can't be safely assumed for him as there are a ton of different possible reasons for someone to be NK'd).

Syn and Implosion have some explaining to do regarding why this GR wagon folded.

I mean, I unvoted because the slot was essentially afk and I didn't feel like I had enough information on it to be confident. I don't know what the high-level reason is why the wagon died. Probably largely because of the reason I unvoted. As I've said several times this game has often been defined by the people that are absent. When GR replaced in I thought his immediate posting looked town. I have no idea what you mean by "we have some explaining to do." I'm not accountable for why a wagon died, I'm accountable for my own actions in this game, and I thought the shortcut/taisho wagon looked increasingly bad as time went on and people stayed on it despite a lack of a replacement. I was wrong.

Virtue is reinforcing my scumread on his slot with these arguments. They're so flimsy in terms of the reasoning behind them and yet he's throwing them out as if they aren't. Granted he's said he's listening for "good answers" but those are not good questions. The fact that he looked through NK history and specifically singled out that everyone who died suspected either me or syn makes me think pretty strongly that he was looking for reasons to be able to call me+synd scum, rather than looking for who is scum from a neutral baseline.

[Syndesis]

I am slightly sick and phoneposting so bear with me.

I want to see your thought process as to who you think is scum between Rask and myself and why. Reasons. Posts either quoted or linked with reasoning on why you see it from a scum perspective.
As said above – Implosion and GiF will have to be sorted after today given the Gunsmith info.

Alright. Citations will have to wait for a bit but here goes.

You have been, to my recollection, proactive and interested in solving the game. More importantly, the only viable team is you with implosion (given Rubixx-ink interactions and your recent interactions with Ras), and I am fairly sure implosion is town. I might be confbiasing from my scumread on Ras but the more I think about it the better I feel (probably not a good thing though).

I also found a lot of Rubixx's posting town but I can't remember any specific examples off the top of my head. I can dig for those if you want but I think my effort would be better spent elsewhere.

[Syndesis]

Virtue seems to be cherrypicking on this page?

Syn, Implosion, why is it that every dead by nightkill town suspects at least one of you?

I feel so many things wrong with this question even in my current state that I cannot even express how wrong it is.

...oh. Implosion said it pretty well.

Syn, why does it look like GR is bussing you in his last post?

I dunno? I mean I haven't looked at the post yet but presumably a) because the remaining scum derived some tactical benefit from at or b) they found it amusing? Now that I think about it this also indicates Ras-scum.

I really want to know what you've gleaned from these questions.

[Syndesis]

Last words, basically, I'm town so make sure to check out Rask/Syndesis.

I think implosion is town and RC's claim is probably legit; I'd like to imagine that the scumteam is Rask/Syndesis/?? but I'm not sure.

lol

[Raskolnikov]

It's actually significant that GR put syndesis second there, FTR.

[Raskolnikov]

prodge

[Metrion]

It's mother's day so I'm going to leave the prodding until tomorrow.

[implosion]

prodge

[Syndesis]

I would like to reaffirm the following:

- Ras is scum.
- Virtue is probably? scum. (Or my tone reading actually does suck, which wouldn't particularly be a surprise at this point.)
- Writing cases is painful.


In an attempt to wake up my analytical skills

(and put off working on the case)

: my long delayed associative reads!

Ras + Virtue:

obviously my first choice. Off the top of my head, GiF spent some time anemically defending Ras, which looks more questionable in hindsight.

Ras + Magna:

not impossible per se, just highly unlikely. Would be fairly convincing distancing on p. 83?
Ras + implosion: less likely, though they've come into the day in complete opposition and I'm townreading implosion.

Virtue + Magna:

ink/Rubixx, godlike distancing, dead horse, etc

Virtue + implosion:

gunsmith innos, etc

Magna + implosion: nothing off the top of my head to rule it out, but that would be both of my townreads in a team, and that would be an all new low for me.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Back from V/LA. After looking over what happened this weekend I've probably 95% sure I've made up my mind. Last chance to change it.