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chilledtea Mafia Scum
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Davsto He/HimFarce of HabitHe/Him
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They mentioned that they wanted people to play differently if a godfather was present, but instead too often dont and they lose because of a godfather.
Thats never happened in games Im in, but I would imagine that besides being less popular the miller isnt 'an autoloss' situation. Millers should claim at onset, so most millers dont get a chance to suprise guilty. And even then the mislynch isnt quite the same as failing to lynch and otherwise scummy player.
As stated above, Ive always seen a lot of people speccing about a godfather, even if one doesnt exist, so Im not sure where they are seeing godfather skating by.beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
Almost50 pisskop: Overall, that's a townie slot. Don't ask for specifics because with PK everything can be interpreted either way. It's probably WHEN he says/does things that matter, so it's more of a matter of conception rather than solid reasoning.-
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Well, regarding the redlisting options Callforjudgement posted, I'd be in favour of option 2, adding a disclaimer.
With themes you have an optional disclaimer of calling ylour game "bastard", I think you could have a "normal-extended" disclaimer, which would allow for a few extra roles and modifiers, like godfather.OrwecouldsurrenderAndletloveinvadeus
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callforjudgement Microprocessor
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The reason Millers are allowed is that a townie knows that the role is in the game already. Of course, the other townies might not believe them, but there's no incorrect information going round; the townie gets a Miller role, the townie claims (99% of the time), the cop doesn't investigate them (again 99% of the time).
If scum get a Godfather role, they obviously won't claim it, thus there's no clue known to any Town player that the investigation isn't reliable other than dayplay, and Townies rarely trust dayplay reads over Cop results. (I'm vaguely reminded of the Fairy Godfather gambit at this point.)scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town-
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Millers don't have the problem that Godfathers have. In the worst case scenario, a Cop investigating a Miller will result in a mislynch on the miller and the Cop getting NKed. This is nothing compared to a Cop investigating a Godfather, which is almost autoloss for town, especially if the Cop claims his results.-
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Ircher He / Him / HisWhat A Grand Idea
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In post 305, BNL wrote:Millers don't have the problem that Godfathers have. In the worst case scenario, a Cop investigating a Miller will result in a mislynch on the miller and the Cop getting NKed. This is nothing compared to a Cop investigating a Godfather, which is almost autoloss for town, especially if the Cop claims his results.
I didn't like the decision to remove GF but put this way it makes senseTHIS POST IS PROVIDED "AS IS", WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NONINFRINGEMENT.-
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Maybe if any cop-messing roles are included the cop (and only the cop) is aware that they exist?
For example,
You are a COP.
you know that there is a lawyer in this setup.
or something like that
URGENT EDIT: APPARENTLY RADIANTCOWBELLS HAD THIS IDEA TOO! I WOULD NOT WANT TO TAKE CREDIT FOR SOMEONE ELSE'S IDEA SO I JUST HAD TO LET YOU KNOW!Last edited by vonflare on Thu Apr 07, 2016 10:46 am, edited 1 time in total.THIS POST IS PROVIDED "AS IS", WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NONINFRINGEMENT.-
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RadiantCowbells He/himSmooth CriminalHe/him
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This has actually been sitting in my to-do list since the middle of last month, but I didn't want to have two updates in the same month because that way madness lies.
In post 0, N wrote:Update 7 May 2016- Althought it has always been unofficially part of the guidelines, "Mafia must specify which member is performing the factional kill each night. Mods may choose whether or not to allow Mafia power roles to perform their action as well as their factional kill on the same night or not, and should list this choice in their rules" has now been added to the wiki page.
- Balance is now explicitly part of being Normal, and so "normalcy-only reviews" will no longer be offered. This does not affect any games which have already passed review.
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callforjudgement Microprocessor
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The whole point of Gunsmith is that it has potential false positives and false negatives, in a way that can be predicted / isn't bastard. So I guess it'd make more sense to blacklist Gunsmith if you're worried about that.
Really, Gunsmith is basically a Normalized version of an imperfectly-sane cop who knows that there are ways they can be mislead.scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town-
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chilledtea Mafia Scum
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please omit the grey roles.
Your not letting people use them anyway becuase their not normal so whats the usage of them being there? add commuter and some common gray roles to green list though. this way the setups are extremely more solidified.False tears bring pain to those around you
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callforjudgement Microprocessor
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Ircher He / Him / HisWhat A Grand IdeaHe / Him / His
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Dang.In post 312, N wrote:This has actually been sitting in my to-do list since the middle of last month, but I didn't want to have two updates in the same month because that way madness lies.
In post 0, N wrote:Update 7 May 2016- Althought it has always been unofficially part of the guidelines, "Mafia must specify which member is performing the factional kill each night. Mods may choose whether or not to allow Mafia power roles to perform their action as well as their factional kill on the same night or not, and should list this choice in their rules" has now been added to the wiki page.
- Balance is now explicitly part of being Normal, and so "normalcy-only reviews" will no longer be offered. This does not affect any games which have already passed review.
I had a plan to run a large normal after my mini finishes but not check it for balance. Oh well, maybe it will still pass a balance review.-
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Davsto He/HimFarce of HabitHe/Him
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But... isn't a Cop exactly the same? Everyone knows that Millers and Godfathers exist. It always has had some potential false positives and negatives. I don't see how it functions any differently besides the false positives and negatives falling on different roles.In post 314, callforjudgement wrote:The whole point of Gunsmith is that it has potential false positives and false negatives, in a way that can be predicted / isn't bastard. So I guess it'd make more sense to blacklist Gunsmith if you're worried about that.
Really, Gunsmith is basically a Normalized version of an imperfectly-sane cop who knows that there are ways they can be mislead.-
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Davsto He/HimFarce of HabitHe/Him
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Did you miss the part where I saidIn post 315, chilledtea wrote:If there is mafia doc, then there should be a killing force capable of killing mafia. In that case, town can take enough precautions wrt gunsmith's results.-
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Ircher He / Him / HisWhat A Grand IdeaHe / Him / His
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Davsto He/HimFarce of HabitHe/Him
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It should be allowed when the Mafia Doc has a function, such as protecting from a vigilante/sk. This generally provides a superbig hint that it does exist in the setup, particularly if a kill fails to go through and there is no reason given by town players.
I'm not saying any good setup maker would use a Mafia Doc when there is no vigilante but there is a gunsmith.
I'm merely pointing out a potential loophole that should be closed, and not in an unofficial "oh the NRG will stop that" kind of way, I mean an actual definitive rule.-
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chilledtea Mafia Scum
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Not_Mafia Smash Hit
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A cop checks a player's alignment, a gunsmith checks if a player has a gun.Also, what is NM doing? Worst play I’ve ever seen.I can't remember the last N_M post that wasn't bland, unimaginative and lame. Some shitposters are at least somewhat funny. You are the epitomy of the type of poster that nobody would miss if you were to suddenly disappear. You never add anything of value.I'm guessing you haven't read the game and probably never will? Why even sign up to play?
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