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Post Post #275 (ISO) » Fri May 20, 2016 3:59 am

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In post 273, SethYazura wrote:
In post 272, Murph wrote:I cannot believe Seth plays this out this way as scum.
I cannot make heads or tails on this one, someone explain for me.

You want me to expound on my statement or are you asking for just anyone to do so ?
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Post Post #276 (ISO) » Fri May 20, 2016 4:09 am

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Agenda progression:






Red is culling two from the heard by enticing them with a security bloc.
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Post Post #277 (ISO) » Fri May 20, 2016 4:10 am

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Post Post #278 (ISO) » Fri May 20, 2016 4:13 am

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Now laying the foundation to push the agenda

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Post Post #279 (ISO) » Fri May 20, 2016 4:17 am

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VOTE: RedCoyote
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Post Post #280 (ISO) » Fri May 20, 2016 5:25 am

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In post 275, Murph wrote:
In post 273, SethYazura wrote:
In post 272, Murph wrote:I cannot believe Seth plays this out this way as scum.
I cannot make heads or tails on this one, someone explain for me.

You want me to expound on my statement or are you asking for just anyone to do so ?
It can be anyone but I would also appreciate it if you explain yourself
The difference between a mafia and a town is that you don't feel alone
A mafia is an organization, which in turn form greater bonds
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Post Post #281 (ISO) » Fri May 20, 2016 5:31 am

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In post 280, SethYazura wrote:
In post 275, Murph wrote:
In post 273, SethYazura wrote:
In post 272, Murph wrote:I cannot believe Seth plays this out this way as scum.
I cannot make heads or tails on this one, someone explain for me.

You want me to expound on my statement or are you asking for just anyone to do so ?
It can be anyone but I would also appreciate it if you explain yourself
Your statements and game theory have been interpreted by others as scummy.
I've challenged that opinion with an opinion of my own* while asking, would you be so blatantly spotlighting yourself if you were scum ?
I think not therefore I've stated such.

*That you and guerts both seem to be town to me.

Now, maybe they are right and you are scum. I've opened it up for further discussions.
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Post Post #282 (ISO) » Fri May 20, 2016 6:11 am

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@Wgeurts Who would you speculate as seth's partner? I'm not as confident on seth as before.
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Post Post #283 (ISO) » Fri May 20, 2016 6:12 am

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I feel like I'm close to figuring this game out but I desperately need some content from kali and hoppic before I can finish my analysis.
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Post Post #284 (ISO) » Fri May 20, 2016 6:24 am

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Actually kaladin's probably active lurking even now.

Kaladin please give us a readslist or something. You can't even say you don't have anything to contribute because there's a massive split in opinion right now.
When people were more-or-less reaching consensus on seth, saying you agreed with it was a passable (but still bad) excuse, but now that's not the case.

Hoppic even though I agree with his push atm I want to see more analysis there. TBH simple "scumslips" like that aren't actually an accurate way to read people; scum tend to go-over their posts with a fine tooth comb so a large percentage of mistakes like this actually come from town and it's not something I'd base the bulk of read on.
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Post Post #285 (ISO) » Fri May 20, 2016 7:08 am

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I'm starting to think seth may be town, bad town, but still town, but RedCoyote is scummy. I'd vote him but are unsure what the totals are, don't really have time to put a full list of my opinions. Later today probably.
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Post Post #286 (ISO) » Fri May 20, 2016 7:15 am

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My times that I can post much are more of about 3 hours from now and variable lent periods depending on the day, and what else I have to do till about 9 hours from now each day.
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Post Post #287 (ISO) » Fri May 20, 2016 7:27 am

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It's not this-minute urgent but yeah later today would be good.

That reminds me, I'm going to be busy this saturday until sunday night.

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Post Post #288 (ISO) » Fri May 20, 2016 7:40 am

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In post 284, Raskolnikov wrote:Actually kaladin's probably active lurking even now.

lol

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Post Post #289 (ISO) » Fri May 20, 2016 7:44 am

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In post 285, KaladinStormblessed wrote:I'm starting to think seth may be town, bad town, but still town, but RedCoyote is scummy. I'd vote him but are unsure what the totals are, don't really have time to put a full list of my opinions. Later today probably.

This so reads like a partner seeking town cred before his teammate is lynched.
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Post Post #290 (ISO) » Fri May 20, 2016 7:47 am

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In post 287, Raskolnikov wrote:It's not this-minute urgent but yeah later today would be good.

That reminds me, I'm going to be busy this saturday until sunday night.

Ah, good point. I'm flying out in a couple of hours. I will most likely not be participating until Monday at the earliest.

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Post Post #291 (ISO) » Fri May 20, 2016 10:42 am

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RC, I'm claiming seths thing isn't a bloody reaction test at all.
Also I'm liking you less as a Seth partner right now, that was an off-hand comment that should be disregarded.
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Post Post #292 (ISO) » Fri May 20, 2016 10:45 am

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Also murf, newer scum players make mistakes such as drawing too much attention. Too scummy to be scum is an absolute fallacy.
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Post Post #293 (ISO) » Fri May 20, 2016 10:48 am

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So I"m going to be a bit lazy and steal aplaca's format, switching out for my reasons and levels of scumminess
In post 239, AlpacaAlpaca wrote:Ok so after 10 pages I have some reads set in my mind and this is what I have,

Hoppic- seems townie, his recent posts have me thinking he's more likely town (6.6/10 towniness)

Alpaca- Mostly agreed with his reads (obviously not including the notion that I would be scum), and has been asking good questions, but doesn't feel extremely townie to me yet. (6.2/10 towniness)

Murph- starting to get a town read on him now, though didn't a first, but liking his reads (except for me of course, but then my play is growing) (6.8/10 towniness)

Rask- town feel, with the good questions, agree with his disagreement of RedCoyote townbloc, (7/10 towniness)

RedCoyote- scummy feeling coming from him, with the townbloc that others have already linked to valid objections of, and the not reading it all before asking if others would help lynch alpaca (2.8/10 towniness)

SethYazura- early action appeared to reek of scumminess, and his recovery is less than phenomenal, spinning it as an experiment, but then the vanilla claim has me thinking it might just be a case of bad newbie play being disappointed with being vanilla and so trying to make a scene. i'm in no way confident in him but I do think he might be being honest in his claim (4.5/10 towniness)

Simoyd- asking lots of questions, chasing suspicions and sharing thoughts, probably the towniest a the moment in my mind (7.8/10 towniness)

Wgeurts- really applied pressure to seth when he was reeking of scum, and really got conversation going seems pretty town (7.2/10 towniness)
and I didn't give anyone so much as an eight, cause this is d1, and its never a good idea to totally decide they must be town when only thinking of their words and there is no proof.
I'll VOTE: RedCoyote, (puts him at 4 votes, if he gets hammered before we come to consensus, gives us scum suspects and info) and he should respond to Murph's accusations.
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Post Post #294 (ISO) » Fri May 20, 2016 10:49 am

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In post 282, Raskolnikov wrote:@Wgeurts Who would you speculate as seth's partner? I'm not as confident on seth as before.
I'm going to avoid further speculation with pre flip associatives, it doesn't help anyone.

Everyone suddenly changing their Seth read care to explain why?
Just changing a read without explanation or offering alternative explanations is reallt detrimental to the town.
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Post Post #295 (ISO) » Fri May 20, 2016 10:52 am

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freaking double posted, oh well, their identical, and can't delete one of em do to the rules.

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Post Post #296 (ISO) » Fri May 20, 2016 10:52 am

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RC is an awful lynch, look how everyone has piled on without explanation of why he is actually scum. Hell, just lurched at it opportunistically!
Seth has actually got cases on him and provides information regardless which way he flips. What does RC have? I haven't seen a single case and the way people are piling on passively is dodgy.
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Post Post #297 (ISO) » Fri May 20, 2016 10:53 am

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Misread, KS just piled on.
This wagon stinks though.
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Post Post #298 (ISO) » Fri May 20, 2016 10:56 am

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I'll reconsider if someone posts a case and I'll take another look tomorrow but I'm not seeing anything inherently scummy.
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Post Post #299 (ISO) » Fri May 20, 2016 11:15 am

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