Open 629: C9++ (Game over!)

[OceanWind]

Do we know what happened with the missing night kill N2? Did Ranger say who she protected?

[OceanWind]

While I'd much prefer WillReplace4You tell us whether he's a 1X doc or a roleblocker and claim all of his night actions, I think based on what we've seen so far, he's not exactly someone I can rely on to advance the town wincon. Going to just treat him as a troll and read the game to figure out which of Nahdia/Masquerade it is.

[Nahdia]

He already said he doesn't have any game solving info for us, so he doesn't. Your entrance being 5 pages of arguing about setup spec is rad tho.

Pretty psyched WR4F is clear. Gonna do some rereading.

And no, Ranger didn't explicitly say who she saved. She did out readlists though and stated her top rung is confirmed town to her so it stands to reason her save is in there.

[OceanWind]

Summarizing the game for ease of reference:

No lynch happened Day one.

Reubus Swagrid

a

Town 1-shot Vigilante

was shot night One

ɀefiend

a

Mafia Goon

was shot night one
--

Something_Smart

Creature

a

Serial Killer

was lynched day two.
No kill happened night two.
--

Willowmeadow

a

Vanilla Townie

was lynched day three

Ranger

a

Town Doctor

was shot night three
--

heuristically_alone

Kop

a

Mafia Roleblocker

was lynched day four

RadiantCowbells

pisskop

TheSoldier

a

Town 1-Shot Cop

was killed night four
--

Klingoncelt

a

Vanilla Townie

was lynched day five.

RachMarie

Reverie

GoodNightMsGreen

a

Vanilla Townie

was killed night five.
--
No lynch happened day five.
No kill happened night five.
--

Alive:

WillReplace4Food

ChannelDelibird

KainTepes

-

Town Roleblocker or Town 1X Doc

OceanWind

acryon

-

Vanilla Townie

Masquerade

wgeurts

Masquerade

Nahdia

[OceanWind]

He already said he doesn't have any game solving info for us, so he doesn't. Your entrance being 5 pages of arguing about setup spec is rad tho.

What I wanted was for him state "My role is [insert role here]. My night actions are [N1: xx, N2: xx, etc].

That's all that was needed. Instead we had five pages of argument about it. And he still hasn't offered that information which is why I'm dismissing him as an annoying troll.

What concerns me is your reaction. Why you aren't explaining this simple fact to him instead taking vague potshots at me for arguing about it when the argument stems from WillReplace4Food's refusal to claim.

It looks like you are buddying conf-town as opposed to the person that's right which smacks of an agenda.

The setup spec is absolutely necessary to figure the game out. I don't see what your problem with that is.

[Nahdia]

The setup spec isn't necessary. He's made it clear there's no information for town to gain from him claiming further so to me you're pretty much just rolefishing him.

Spoiler: Day 1 VCA

Official Vote Cout Day 1.1

Players alive: 13

Players needed to lynch: 7

Creature

- 1 - Masquerade - (L-6)

GoodNightMsGreen

- 2 -

Klingoncelt

, KainTepes - (L-5)

KainTepes

- 2 -

Creature

,

GoodNightMsGreen

- (L-5)

Masquerade

- 1 - Nahdia - (L-6)

Ranger

- 2 -

ɀefiend

, acryon - (L-5)

Reubus Swagrid

- 1 -

TheSoldier

- (L-6)

Players not voting:

Kop

,

Ranger

,

Reubus Swagrid

,

Willowmeadow

Deadline for Day One: (expired on 2016-03-20 10:00:00)

Official Vote Count Day 1.2

Players alive: 13

Players needed to lynch: 7

Creature

- 4 - Masquerade,

Ranger

,

Reubus Swagrid

, KainTepes - (L-3)

GoodNightMsGreen

- 1 -

Klingoncelt

- (L-6)

KainTepes

- 1 -

GoodNightMsGreen

- (L-6)

Kop

- 1 -

ɀefiend

- (L-6)

Masquerade

- 1 - Nahdia - (L-6)

Nahdia

- 1 -

Willowmeadow

- (L-6)

Ranger

- 1 - acryon - (L-6)

Reubus Swagrid

- 1 -

TheSoldier

- (L-6)

Willowmeadow

- 1 -

Creature

- (L-6)

Players not voting:

Kop

Mod Notes: Reubus Swagrid has been prodded

Deadline for Day One: (expired on 2016-03-20 10:00:00)

Official Vote Count Day 1.3

Players alive: 13

Players needed to lynch: 7

acryon

- 1 - Masquerade - (L-6)

Creature

- 3 -

Ranger

,

Reubus Swagrid

,

TheSoldier

- (L-4)

GoodNightMsGreen

- 2 -

Klingoncelt

, acryon - (L-5)

KainTepes

- 1 -

GoodNightMsGreen

- (L-6)

Kop

- 1 -

ɀefiend

- (L-6)

Masquerade

- 2 - Nahdia, KainTepes - (L-5)

Nahdia

- 1 -

Willowmeadow

- (L-6)

Willowmeadow

- 1 -

Creature

- (L-6)

Players not voting:

Kop

Mod notes: ɀefiend has been prodded

Deadline for Day One: (expired on 2016-03-20 10:00:00)

Official Vote Count Day 1.4

Players alive: 13

Players needed to lynch: 7

acryon

- 1 - Masquerade - (L-6)

Creature

- 3 -

Ranger

,

TheSoldier

,

GoodNightMsGreen

- (L-4)

ɀefiend

- 1 -

Reubus Swagrid

- (L-6)

GoodNightMsGreen

- 2 -

Klingoncelt

, acryon - (L-5)

Masquerade

- 1 - KainTepes - (L-6)

Nahdia

- 1 -

Willowmeadow

- (L-6)

Ranger

- 1 -

ɀefiend

- (L-6)

Reubus Swagrid

- 1 - Nahdia - (L-6)

Willowmeadow

- 1 -

Creature

- (L-6)

Players not voting:

Kop

Mod notes:
Creature has been prodded
TheSoldier has requested replacement
Masquerade is V/LA

Deadline for Day One: (expired on 2016-03-20 10:00:00)

First off, strong apologies for my non-appearence over the weekend!

Official Vote Count Day 1.5

Players alive: 13

Players needed to lynch: 7

acryon

- 1 - Masquerade - (L-6)

Creature

- 3 -

Ranger

,

TheSoldier

,

GoodNightMsGreen

- (L-4)

ɀefiend

- 1 -

Reubus Swagrid

- (L-6)

GoodNightMsGreen

- 1 - acryon - (L-6)

Klingoncelt

- 1 - Nahdia - (L-6)

Masquerade

- 1 -

pisskop

- (L-6)

Nahdia

- 3 -

Willowmeadow

, KainTepes,

Klingoncelt

- (L-4)

Ranger

- 1 -

ɀefiend

- (L-6)

Willowmeadow

- 1 -

Creature

- (L-6)

Players not voting:

Kop

Mod notes:
Kop has been prodded
GoodnightMsGreen has been prodded
Creature has failed to respond to his prod and will be replaced

Deadline for Day One: (expired on 2016-03-20 10:00:00)

Official Vote Count Day 1.6

Players alive: 13

Players needed to lynch: 7

acryon

- 1 - KainTepes - (L-6)

Klingoncelt

- 1 - Nahdia - (L-6)

Masquerade

- 2 -

pisskop

,

Reubus Swagrid

- (L-5)

Nahdia

- 2 -

Willowmeadow

,

Klingoncelt

- (L-5)

Ranger

- 4 -

ɀefiend

, acryon,

Kop

,

Something_Smart

- (L-3)

Something_Smart

- 3 -

Ranger

,

GoodNightMsGreen

, Masquerade - (L-4)

Players not voting:

None

Mod notes:

Deadline for Day One: (expired on 2016-03-20 10:00:00)

Final Official Vote Count Day 1.7

Players alive: 13

Players needed to lynch: 7

acryon

- 1 - KainTepes - (L-6)

Masquerade

- 1 -

Reubus Swagrid

- (L-6)

Nahdia

- 1 -

Willowmeadow

- (L-6)

Ranger

- 4 -

ɀefiend

, acryon,

Kop

,

Something_Smart

- (L-3)

Something_Smart

- 6 -

Ranger

,

GoodNightMsGreen

, Masquerade,

Klingoncelt

, Nahdia,

pisskop

- (L-1)

Players not voting:

None

The town come close, but the night draws in before a final decision can be made, and a

No Lynch

Occurs.

It is now night one.

Deadline for Night One: (expired on 2016-03-22 12:05:00)

Particularly interested in the Ranger wagon.

[OceanWind]

He already said he doesn't have any game solving info for us, so he doesn't.

This makes zero sense. He CAN'T know whether he has game solving info. That's for the town to determine and debate and analyze.

If he's the roleblocker and used his role on someone last night, it is highly likely that whoever he used his role on is the final mafia.
If he's the 1X doc, it is highly likely that if he protected someone last night, they are likely town.

Those are the only deductions we can make. I want him to out so we can take those things into consideration while making our final decision.

[Nahdia]

I'm not sure I should go deeper into explanation because it involves telling scum how to optimally play here but you should really just drop it please.

[OceanWind]

That is only applicable if we no lynch today: something I don't want to do.

If we lynch today, any tips you inadvertently give the mafia are irrelevant.

I want to lynch today because going into night, the mafia will not kill anyone other than WillReplace4You. If they manage that kill, we lose conftown. If not, we're in the same predicament as today.

[Masquerade]

And I don't. They're wifom because of the possibility of scum no-killing. All we can do is talk about who our scumread is and then Will can consider those with his results and if he feels it's necessary to share something he can do that.

[Nahdia]

I agree with you about lynching today but you're wrong about something else, so please drop this subject.

[OceanWind]

And I don't. They're wifom because of the possibility of scum no-killing. All we can do is talk about who our scumread is and then Will can consider those with his results and if he feels it's necessary to share something he can do that.

That's an abundantly stupid strategy. You want to handicap the town by having us solve the game with only some pieces of information rather than all of it.

[OceanWind]

I agree with you about lynching today but you're wrong about something else, so please drop this subject.

If we are lynching today and everyone has already claimed or are conftown, there is no reason to conceal anything.

[Nahdia]

I'm really glad you think so.

Now let's scumhunt. What do you guys think the chances are that all three scum were voting Ranger on day 1? zefiend is voting her for awhile and then suddenly acryon and Kop's votes stick to her right around the same time. I'm wondering if zefiend asked his buddies to help him push Ranger since he really wanted that wagon to go through.

[OceanWind]

No, seriously Masquerade - instead of all of us operating with complete information, you want to handicap us into operating with incomplete information and make it so that Will is the only one with complete info?

Considering his skill level, I don't even trust him to accurately piece together that information and even if he was a good player, I wouldn't trust anyone else to solve the game for me.

The ONLY reason for Will to conceal anything is if we no-lynch. So, Nahdia's logic is pretty flawed because she's both advocating we lynch today AND saying that Will doesn't have to claim. If today is the final day of judgment, why should we not have access to all information? Why do you want to solve the game with half the puzzle pieces and trust Will to do the rest?

[OceanWind]

I'm wondering if zefiend asked his buddies to help him push Ranger since he really wanted that wagon to go through.

You mean the previous night? Because as far as I can tell, mafia doesn't have daytalk.

[Nahdia]

{

GoodNightMsGreen

,

pisskop (sadly)

, Nahdia}
{acryon}
{

Reubus Swagrid

,

Willowmeadow

}
{

Kop

,

zefiend

, KainTepes, Masquerade}
{

Klingoncelt

,

Creature's slot

}

That's literally it.

Said she most likely found scum in 109 but then does nothing about it. If you "most likely" found scum as town, don't you push that?

Yes, and? I'm voting Creature's slot. I'm also pushing Klingoncelt and supporting Nahdia's push there. There's literally nothing else I can do beyond that, because, again: literally. nothing. changed.

High priority target? meh.

I'm wondering if zefiend asked his buddies to help him push Ranger since he really wanted that wagon to go through.

Oh nevermind then.

You mean the previous night? Because as far as I can tell, mafia doesn't have daytalk.

[Nahdia]

Meant to put "Oh nevermind then" outside the quote box.

[OceanWind]

I did not anticipate needing to explain these really simple concepts when I replaced in and it's frustrating that that's the focus here as opposed to everyone claiming and then figuring out the more aspects of the game. But considering Nahdia seems fairly new as well, I'm going to give a little more leeway and try to work with what I have.

I'm going to grab dinner and come back in an hour or so. Hopefully the break will help me get refreshed and I'll be able to catch up tonight and post thoughts and reads.

[OceanWind]

*more nuanced aspects of the game.

[Masquerade]

There was a cop-claim Day 2. I assumed scum and doc(s?) targetted him.

Nahdia, a game of mine just finished where 1 scum was bussed by both his buddies Day 1. We know scum bussed in this game. I'm ignoring vca.

[WillReplace4Food]

So it's between ocean and masq

Nahdia

[WillReplace4Food]

No, seriously Masquerade - instead of all of us operating with complete information, you want to handicap us into operating with incomplete information and make it so that Will is the only one with complete info?

Considering his skill level, I don't even trust him to accurately piece together that information and even if he was a good player, I wouldn't trust anyone else to solve the game for me.

The ONLY reason for Will to conceal anything is if we no-lynch. So, Nahdia's logic is pretty flawed because she's both advocating we lynch today AND saying that Will doesn't have to claim. If today is the final day of judgment, why should we not have access to all information? Why do you want to solve the game with half the puzzle pieces and trust Will to do the rest?

Listen jabroni

If I was an RB, then I'd only have info if I RBd last night and there was a kill. I could clear the person I blocked. As there was no kill, it's possible that mafia no killed or I blocked the kill attempt. I would share the target of my block in this case.

Suffice it to say I'm not a RB.

If I was a 1-shot doc, you're positing that I still had my shot as of last night (night 5?). You really think that's likely? I mean, holstering 4 nights is risky on the border of outright dumb. So, if I used my shot, assume there is no relevant info from that because the person I protected is dead..or alive but I didn't protect them on the night is the missing kill so there is no info to be gleaned from that.

So, you expecting that there is some info that is being withheld is extremely frustrating to me, so much so that I'm compelled to laugh at you for insinuating that I'm the one lacking skill and/or intelligence.

I am left wondering if there is really a persona out there who, as scum, would take this dumbass line while also insisting that we lynch today.

Your pig headed ignorance almost makes me want to just clear you and end this.

But now that it's basically narrowed to you and Masq, I guess I'll just have a read back. Probably just masq though.

[Masquerade]

The only reason we didn't lynch Acryon was because we believed he genuinely thought he was at L-1.
Since when are counting skills prohibited to one alignment?

VOTE: Ocean

Because I know it's not me and I'm not touching my townread on Nahdia and Will hasn't been cc'ed.

Will, what do you want from me if I'm town?

[OceanWind]

No, seriously Masquerade - instead of all of us operating with complete information, you want to handicap us into operating with incomplete information and make it so that Will is the only one with complete info?

Considering his skill level, I don't even trust him to accurately piece together that information and even if he was a good player, I wouldn't trust anyone else to solve the game for me.

The ONLY reason for Will to conceal anything is if we no-lynch. So, Nahdia's logic is pretty flawed because she's both advocating we lynch today AND saying that Will doesn't have to claim. If today is the final day of judgment, why should we not have access to all information? Why do you want to solve the game with half the puzzle pieces and trust Will to do the rest?

Listen jabroni

If I was an RB, then I'd only have info if I RBd last night and there was a kill. I could clear the person I blocked. As there was no kill, it's possible that mafia no killed or I blocked the kill attempt. I would share the target of my block in this case.

Suffice it to say I'm not a RB.

If I was a 1-shot doc, you're positing that I still had my shot as of last night (night 5?). You really think that's likely? I mean, holstering 4 nights is risky on the border of outright dumb. So, if I used my shot, assume there is no relevant info from that because the person I protected is dead..or alive but I didn't protect them on the night is the missing kill so there is no info to be gleaned from that.

So, you expecting that there is some info that is being withheld is extremely frustrating to me, so much so that I'm compelled to laugh at you for insinuating that I'm the one lacking skill and/or intelligence.

I am left wondering if there is really a persona out there who, as scum, would take this dumbass line while also insisting that we lynch today.

Your pig headed ignorance almost makes me want to just clear you and end this.

But now that it's basically narrowed to you and Masq, I guess I'll just have a read back. Probably just masq though.

So, you are not just a moron. You are a moron with an attitude.

It's mylo. I don't want to speculate on what you did, I want you to reveal what you did. I don't know where you feel on your head as a baby and hit your head but you keep missing my point and chugging along.