BLOODBORNE MAFIA - GAME OVER

[Sensei]

I'm reading along here and cerb's posts are okay, though.

Meh.

[Fire Assassin]

{D&D}
{Mixed 6, Reasonably Irrational, Nahdia, RyLina}
{Sensei, Klingoncelt}
{Fire Assassin, Toogeloo, Zulfy, Xkfyu, Almost50}
{Patches, Shinobi}

Cute reads list.

[Reasonably Irrational]

Mixed6: The thing with the D&D voteless issue is that in a scenario where they were scum and trying to use that for town credit, they would simply NOT utilize their vote until it was game winning to do so. Stockpile insight by doing whatever it is scum do, and use that insight to power through late game lynches with multiple votes. It would be a high risk/high reward strategy, though. As I said though(and as you said) the move itself IS quite townie, but the fact that it's so obviously townie, so much so as to be mandatory if they are actually town, does probably make it more null alignment wise than I want it to be.

What does caution in voting tell you about the player in question? You call it an experience tell. Are you saying it's something more likely to come from inexperienced players? Experienced players? Or merely those, inexperienced or not, who have in the past been placed in situations where said caution was warranted/lack of caution cost them? In short, is it an experience tell, or an EXPERIENTIAL tell?

R&L: I understand your posts, I think. I'll look at it again right now, I was sort of engaged in that whole Shinobi interaction, so I was skimming your posts a bit.

-Cerb

[Rylai and Lina]

Still not sure whom I would want to lynch, but I think this is a fair bet (considering it can't be changed, so it has to be someone I'm fairly reading TOWN, and I hope I'm not being irrational here.)

HUNTMASTER VOTE: Reasonably Irrational

This is contradicting There was plenty of time for making a decision he thought he can't change it.

dah Baka?!!

~Rylai

Hello Frozen.
Your trusted Romeo is here.

Juliet speaking~

Don't be scum , ok ? I like to trust you!

~Rylai

[Fire Assassin]

Mixed6: The thing with the D&D voteless issue is that in a scenario where they were scum and trying to use that for town credit, they would simply NOT utilize their vote until it was game winning to do so. Stockpile insight by doing whatever it is scum do, and use that insight to power through late game lynches with multiple votes. It would be a high risk/high reward strategy, though. As I said though(and as you said) the move itself IS quite townie, but the fact that it's so obviously townie, so much so as to be mandatory if they are actually town, does probably make it more null alignment wise than I want it to be.

What does caution in voting tell you about the player in question? You call it an experience tell. Are you saying it's something more likely to come from inexperienced players? Experienced players? Or merely those, inexperienced or not, who have in the past been placed in situations where said caution was warranted/lack of caution cost them? In short, is it an experience tell, or an EXPERIENTIAL tell?

R&L: I understand your posts, I think. I'll look at it again right now, I was sort of engaged in that whole Shinobi interaction, so I was skimming your posts a bit.

-Cerb

This does not leave an assassin with much confidence.

[Fire Assassin]

Still not sure whom I would want to lynch, but I think this is a fair bet (considering it can't be changed, so it has to be someone I'm fairly reading TOWN, and I hope I'm not being irrational here.)

HUNTMASTER VOTE: Reasonably Irrational

This is contradicting There was plenty of time for making a decision he thought he can't change it.

dah Baka?!!

~Rylai

Hello Frozen.
Your trusted Romeo is here.

Juliet speaking~

Don't be scum , ok ? I like to trust you!

~Rylai

But you didn't trust me in that game.....
You thought I was scum even in dead thread.....
I TRUSTED YOU!
>.>

[Xkfyu]

Mixed6: The thing with the D&D voteless issue is that in a scenario where they were scum and trying to use that for town credit, they would simply NOT utilize their vote until it was game winning to do so. Stockpile insight by doing whatever it is scum do, and use that insight to power through late game lynches with multiple votes. It would be a high risk/high reward strategy, though. As I said though(and as you said) the move itself IS quite townie, but the fact that it's so obviously townie, so much so as to be mandatory if they are actually town, does probably make it more null alignment wise than I want it to be.

What does caution in voting tell you about the player in question? You call it an experience tell. Are you saying it's something more likely to come from inexperienced players? Experienced players? Or merely those, inexperienced or not, who have in the past been placed in situations where said caution was warranted/lack of caution cost them? In short, is it an experience tell, or an EXPERIENTIAL tell?

R&L: I understand your posts, I think. I'll look at it again right now, I was sort of engaged in that whole Shinobi interaction, so I was skimming your posts a bit.

-Cerb

This does not leave an assassin with much confidence.

What's wrong with it?

[Rylai and Lina]

But you didn't trust me in that game.....
You thought I was scum even in dead thread.....
I TRUSTED YOU!
>.>

I was scum
And you were my enemy

so whats your point?

~Rylai

[Fire Assassin]

Mixed6: The thing with the D&D voteless issue is that in a scenario where they were scum and trying to use that for town credit, they would simply NOT utilize their vote until it was game winning to do so. Stockpile insight by doing whatever it is scum do, and use that insight to power through late game lynches with multiple votes. It would be a high risk/high reward strategy, though. As I said though(and as you said) the move itself IS quite townie, but the fact that it's so obviously townie, so much so as to be mandatory if they are actually town, does probably make it more null alignment wise than I want it to be.

What does caution in voting tell you about the player in question? You call it an experience tell. Are you saying it's something more likely to come from inexperienced players? Experienced players? Or merely those, inexperienced or not, who have in the past been placed in situations where said caution was warranted/lack of caution cost them? In short, is it an experience tell, or an EXPERIENTIAL tell?

R&L: I understand your posts, I think. I'll look at it again right now, I was sort of engaged in that whole Shinobi interaction, so I was skimming your posts a bit.

-Cerb

This does not leave an assassin with much confidence.

What's wrong with it?

It reads as a player trying to peg someone as scum more than actually scumhunt.

[Sensei]

On the Almost50 stuff, I didn't think there was anything particularly wrong with his posts so far. In fact, they seemed to me to be coming from a well thought out mindset.

How so?
And why does that have an affect on your read of him?

[Fire Assassin]

But you didn't trust me in that game.....
You thought I was scum even in dead thread.....
I TRUSTED YOU!
>.>

I was scum
And you were my enemy

so whats your point?

~Rylai

That I should be the one to ask you if I can trust you!!!!!

[Rylai and Lina]

That I should be the one to ask you if I can trust you!!!!!

huh

your response made sense now. to you yeah , in my view your the one that I need to be verified so I need to know if I can trust you.

That's the irony of a mafia game .

~Rylai

[Mixed6]

@Reasonably Irrational, for Daenerys and Dragons, again, there's a lot to gain by voting in this game in particular. It's possible scum could try to gambit around that and hope for a game ending swoop, but it seems like that would put a lot of faith in everyone buying into the only town couldn't vote argument. I don't think it's that strong a move. In the end we agree conclusion-wise so I'm not interested in wasting thread space beyond this arguing about the theory that gets us there. That doesn't help town.

For the tentative opening it could be either, but I had experience in mind in particular. Someone in an overly complex setting compared their previous experiences is more likely to drop into analysis paralysis territory. Bad experiences with a similar setting could have a potentially similar effect though.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Sensei]

She's town ... I think. *"half" a sigh of relief*

What about that readslist makes you think she's town?

[Reasonably Irrational]

Disappointed that I wasn't already on the list, somewhere near the top...since if you're scum, you already know I'm town, and if you're town, you should know I'm town by now.

Well, you hadn't posted on the first page.

For what it's worth, you're vaguely near the top now, but I'll need more from Elbirn to be sure, not to mention, my read on you always gets better with time so the more I see from either head, really, the more sure I'll be.

Why is nahdia on the list twice, in three separate lists you've made?

Didn't notice. The higher level is the more accurate one.

So...it seems likely you're looking at a proxy slot of some sort, like Bright in Suikoden.

Well in that case, move Patches to the bottom tier. It's a scum ability.

I was evaluating it as a player (it was a scummy post), but if it's a proxy slot, auto-scum.

I don't really think my case on Ranger is good anymore but I'm struggling to find an alternative.

So...this is basically an exact replica of what Shinobi did last game. Having points that he says are in the wrong, but doing nothing about it.

Ah, true, I should have realized you had no posts to go off of on the first list. Alright, acceptable.

Please tell me more about this thing you say Shinobi is doing, and the situation you're comparing it to.

What's got your knickers in a twist newfriend?

One of the safest entrances I think I've ever seen.

OMG Senseis here! I literally got up from bed just to get to my computer to type to you!

Elbirn's.

Jumping into the game and townreading a majority of the people who have posted so far and then proceeding to rvs is safe. There's no chance to make any "enemies" when you do that.

It's supplemented by the fact that half the reads I couldn't quite see where he was coming from either.

Ah, makes sense.

Maybe I can try to clear those up?

D&D read we already explained, though Mixed6 is right in that it probably doesn't deserve as much town credit as I'd like to give it.
Zulfy=idk, Elbirn likes Zulfy though. Which isn't a good reason to townread someone, but *shrug*.
A50: We also have discussed this a bit. He liked the cautiousness(he says so a bit later on)
KC: Clearly displaying a mindset of maximizing the likelihood of a success on the first dungeon, which is a town mindset to have, but an obvious one for scum to duplicate. Probably giving too much credit there.

Any thoughts on anything else so far Sensei?

Fire Assassin: Care to elaborate on what you dislike about that post?

-Cerb

pedit: Okay, so you answered Assassin. I'm confused. What about that post strikes you as me attempting to peg someone as scum? I'm admitting that I gave too much town credit to D&D for their openness regarding their lack of a regular vote, not saying that I believe they're scum for it.

[Xkfyu]

On the Almost50 stuff, I didn't think there was anything particularly wrong with his posts so far. In fact, they seemed to me to be coming from a well thought out mindset.

How so?
And why does that have an affect on your read of him?

Somehow, I knew you were gonna ask me about that post, just as soon as I posted it...

Anyways, I was talking specifically about the post where he was being paranoid about putting a random vote down. His thought process, while almost certainly ill-founded, was elaborate, and I think that suggests that he's town.

[Reasonably Irrational]

On the Almost50 stuff, I didn't think there was anything particularly wrong with his posts so far. In fact, they seemed to me to be coming from a well thought out mindset.

How so?
And why does that have an affect on your read of him?

Somehow, I knew you were gonna ask me about that post, just as soon as I posted it...

Anyways, I was talking specifically about the post where he was being paranoid about putting a random vote down. His thought process, while almost certainly ill-founded, was elaborate, and I think that suggests that he's town.

Do you have a lot of experience with A50? If so, do you believe he, as scum, wouldn't both with an elaborate explanation for something as likely to be questioned as his post was? If not, why does the elaborate thought process suggest he's town?

-Cerb

[Sensei]

Shinobi's latest vote is a fine vote. I'm not seeing any useful contribution from Zulfy that would separate him from those who haven't posted yet.

Walk me through why the first part translates to the second part here.

[Reasonably Irrational]

aw man aw man aw man

VOTE: Zulfy

Elbirn you're so great

I wouldn't mind hearing mixed6's response to your question, Sensei, but...

That's the Zulfy ISO. It seems pretty self-explanatory. I'm probably getting in your way though, so I'll just be quiet.

-Cerb

[Mixed6]

@Sensei, first off, your vote still makes me sad. It should go somewhere more useful.

To answer your question, voting for someone who has done nothing to help the town is a fine use of a vote.

I guess I can add that it's a bit easy, but so's my current vote and that doesn't stop it from being a fine vote in any way at this point in the game.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Mixed6]

On another note, it might have been lost in my longish post, but does Ranger typically post tiers like she has been?

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Reasonably Irrational]

On another note, it might have been lost in my longish post, but does Ranger typically post tiers like she has been?

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

Yes. That is her standard style. Wholly NAI.

-Cerb

[Sensei]

That's the Zulfy ISO.

You remember how he was in Saga right?

[Sensei]

VOTE: Almost50

[Sensei]

To answer your question, voting for someone who has done nothing to help the town is a fine use of a vote.

I disagree completely but that's fair. That outlook tends to be common.

Have you touched on the rest of Shinobi's play?