Micro 618 {Over}

[ReallySick]

[...] you accuse me of this [...]

Meh, it's a harmless question.

[...]VOTE: Really Sick

Thank you. We just wait for another hydra's vote so we can see everyone's stand.

~Realeo

Deleted hydra slip.

[ReallySick]

The BTD 6 wagon is not producing anything here. We need some serious more posting.
Like seriously.

[ReallySick]

~ Sick

[karnos]

The BTD 6 wagon is not producing anything here. We need some serious more posting.
Like seriously.

Of course it's not. He knows there is no real risk of getting lynched, especially since we had people jump off the wagon as soon as it hit L-1.

If you are trying to wagon someone for pressure, you can't expect good results if you are willing to jump off the wagon as soon as it gets big enough to actually work.

[MURDERCAT]

If he had nothing to worry about at L-1 like you said, why would that change anything? Do you think it's strange no one seems to want him at L-1?

[karnos]

It's not about whether he had anything to worry about, exactly. It's about whether he KNEW he had anything to worry about. Now that he knows there was no real worry, it changes his reactions, even if you put him back at L-1.

Do you think it's strange no one seems to want him at L-1?

Strange, no, it's a typical play style here. I think most players are playing a little too safe, afraid of looking a little scummy themselves, so it makes it easier for the scum to hide. But it's a micro game, and the wolves have no night kill. I don't think this game should be played the same way more standard setup based games are.

[ReallySick]

If he had nothing to worry about at L-1 like you said, why would that change anything?

I think people has less incentive to chime in when no one's head is in the express line of the guillotine.

[ReallySick]

~ Realeo

[Chip Butty]

I don't think this game should be played the same way more standard setup based games are.

How do you think it should be played?

[karnos]

I'm not sure, but I am thinking there might be some sort of way to break the setup and nearly guarantee a town win.

"The werewolves do not possess a factional nightkill. Instead, upon the first werewolf lynch, the werewolf may vengekill two town players."

Question: if both wolves are killed at once, does the vengekill still occur or does town win? For example, 5 town are alive. The deadline hits with a 3-way tie between both wolves and one villager. Does town win, or do the wolves still get to venge kill and turn it into a tie?

[karnos]

Oh never mind, there can never be a lynch of more than one player. That won't work at all.

[MURDERCAT]

Karnos are you scum reading BTD? If yes, why aren't you doing anything to push there?

[karnos]

Not strongly, I was voting him to provide a service:

Can we wagon BTD please? I'm not comfortable with a townread of mine running up time as the highest wagon while BTD is looking scummy and laying low content-wise. If BNL's town then that's exactly what the wolves want to happen here.

[MURDERCAT]

Who is your strongest scum read?

[ReallySick]

I have question: If town is at 3-2, we lynched werewolf, extra the vengekill it will be 1-1 right? Tie?

7-2 -> 4 mislynch = 4 night.

Our PR should be catching the werewolf in 4 nights, yes? First day is spoiled, but can we make pact to let to not vote at all at D2, so our PR can have infinity amount of PR power?

[ReallySick]

PS: Assuming that it's not X-shot

~Realeo

[ReallySick]

My only concern is that there is like--Arsonist werewolf? I mean, the theme is Whisper in the Wood and an arsonist werewolf is a perfect fit to theme?

~Realeo

[karnos]

Potentially, if we have a town cop, there is a breaking strategy we could use.

All claim. Cop investigates each night, each day we lynch a claimed VT unless the cop hits scum. Even then, we could continue the strategy, because by letting that scum sit we could continue to investigate, denying them the vengekill on the cop option. Or even better, we just do a no lynch each day, but I'm not certain that is possible.

Obvious flaw: if we don't have a cop, and a wolf claims cop, we will just lynch all our VT and the cop will either feed us a fake hit or never hit scum. I'd guess that this was thought of in balance, and the game might not have a cop, or maybe one of the wolves is immune investigation.

[MURDERCAT]

Assuming werewolves actually don't have a way to kill, that means they need to get 4 mislynches correct? Assuming wolf dies first, that's 5-1. I assume 1-1 would be a wolf win, because how else can they win after one of them dies? Seems like a tall order even without a cop (or whatever the werewolf version of cop is, I forget).

[BNL]

I couldn't read much today, but from my mental notes
UNVOTE: ReallySick
VOTE: MURDERCAT
Is scummier than Karnos. Will explain tomorrow.

[Realeo]

Paraphrasing is ok, right?

My PM said that we need to eradicate all threats to town, so obviously town don't win; But Ranger didn't really specify what is the werewolf winning condition. If it's the classic: You win when all town is eradicated--or nothing can prevent it, so that'll be tie right because no one finishes their winning condition?

[ReallySick]

Paraphrasing is ok, right?

My PM said that we need to eradicate all threats to town, so obviously town don't win; But Ranger didn't really specify what is the werewolf winning condition. If it's the classic: You win when all town is eradicated--or nothing can prevent it, so that'll be tie right because no one finishes their winning condition?

~Realeo =/

I'd normally delete the slip, though in this case I won't as to keep mhsmith's pagetop.

[MURDERCAT]

Right, but I'm going to guess that the 5 people who created/assisted with/reviewed the game probably caught that and werewolves would win that situation.

[ReallySick]

I changed the hydra profile. I hope I will be able to reckon it now.

Back to the ol' scumhunting:

I expect BTD to talk anytime soon but I have to admit that both me and sickofit has come to a mutual agreement that BTD is in our top of the list.

And for once in a while, I will explain how we came to this mutual agreement: sickofit decided to go for direct scumhunting while I decided to go townhunting via poe.

There is some friction and some mutual agreement here and there but here's what we got on BTD.

From sickofit POV

(at least the last time we talked--so don't cite back and say "you're being contradicting". Fun trivia: Our read constantly changes and we can't be 100% sync.

YOU HEARD ME CHIP BUTTY, WE CAN'T BE 100% SYNC

)

, he found BTD's self-metaing scummy. From my point of view, I simply can't townread him--or even give him the benefit of doubt. It's a blatant lie to say that Chip Butty didn't rub me the wrong way, but I find it easier to label him "just a town being suspicious and doing his job of scumhunting" compared to BTD.

However, (1) I would like to see his fos and the other hydra's fos before the pushing starts. (2) The only thing that he talked was about the ninja and the RVS--so it's possible that I'm False Positive, so I'm up for change.

~ Realeo

[MURDERCAT]

Why is this game so dead... Hello? Anyone out there?