Open 643: Kill All Townies! (Game Over)

[Rob14]

VOTE: King of squirrels
He didn't make his claim sound like a joke and more like it's a matter of fact. +Old good guts

This isn't a player in the game and this vote won't be counted.

[Rob14]

Vote Count #1.2:

karnos:

LicketyQuickety, Chip Butty, sad1492, DixC (4)

Almost50:

JaeReed, Charloux, Creature (3)

KuroiXHF:

Almost50, Smithereens (2)

LicketyQuickety:

hiplop, KuroiXHF (2)

JaeReed:

Bellaphant (1)

DixC:

karnos (1)

Chip Butty:

pistachi0n (1)

Not Voting:

Ranger, Kop, House

With 17 players alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

V/LA:

KuroiXHF until 6/20.

Deadline:

(expired on 2016-06-30 18:20:00)

[DixC]

Actually, I think Kuroi used the generic term scum and DixC specified mafia.

Why mafia, DixC?

VOTE: DixC

Because the forum is called Mafia Scum

I have a LOT of experience playing this game at places like gencon and dragon con and running the game on the anandtech forums. But usually I run a Werewolf game; I thought i'd use there proper term here... and I screwed it up, which puts me at rank 3 in my list of people to kill.

So who's claimed scum so far? They should be 1 on the kill list: I HATE losing to some wearing an ass-skin hat. All else held equal, I say kill the people who are 1) working against knowledge (i.e. 'fake' scum) then 2) the least active (i.e. 'because' votes) then 3) people who are not taking the hunt seriously (i.e. screws ups).

[Ranger]

Explain these lists, please.

No.

VOTE: LicketyQuickety.

[Ranger]

I also know she thinks scum spend more time prodding at them than town

Not so!

There's just town ways to do it, and scum ways to do it.

This way, especially given LicketyQuickety's experience of me, makes me think it was the scum way.

[JaeReed]

VOTE: LQ

@Bella the exchange between House and Lickety last page... Scum theatre? By which I mean do you think they could be of the same faction?

[JaeReed]

@Ranger has there been any change in your reads since last time?

[House]

VOTE: LQ

@Bella the exchange between House and Lickety last page... Scum theatre? By which I mean do you think they could be of the same faction?

Why do you suspect we'd be scum of the same faction, specifically? Is it because neither one of us share your scum PT?

[JaeReed]

VOTE: LQ

@Bella the exchange between House and Lickety last page... Scum theatre? By which I mean do you think they could be of the same faction?

Why do you suspect we'd be scum of the same faction, specifically? Is it because neither one of us share your scum PT?

Funny. Because that seemed staged to me. Hence "scum theatre". You weren't the one I was asking, either. If I wanted your snark I would have said something like "hey house find something inane to make a jab at me for".

[House]

VOTE: LQ

@Bella the exchange between House and Lickety last page... Scum theatre? By which I mean do you think they could be of the same faction?

Why do you suspect we'd be scum of the same faction, specifically? Is it because neither one of us share your scum PT?

Funny. Because that seemed staged to me. Hence "scum theatre". You weren't the one I was asking, either. If I wanted your snark I would have said something like "hey house find something inane to make a jab at me for".

Right, we coordinated an argument pregame, you know... before I actually replaced in.

You're so samrt.

[JaeReed]

VOTE: LQ

@Bella the exchange between House and Lickety last page... Scum theatre? By which I mean do you think they could be of the same faction?

Why do you suspect we'd be scum of the same faction, specifically? Is it because neither one of us share your scum PT?

Funny. Because that seemed staged to me. Hence "scum theatre". You weren't the one I was asking, either. If I wanted your snark I would have said something like "hey house find something inane to make a jab at me for".

Right, we coordinated an argument pregame, you know... before I actually replaced in.

You're so samrt.

Staged /= pregame co-ordinated.

I'm obviously not smart if I have to defer to another player for an opinion. Still haven't asked yours and this exchange is pointless. Feel free to keep jabbing. I'm too tired to respond anyway and I don't wanna clog this up more.

[LicketyQuickety]

Explain these lists, please.

No.

VOTE: LicketyQuickety.

I also know she thinks scum spend more time prodding at them than town

Not so!

There's just town ways to do it, and scum ways to do it.

This way, especially given LicketyQuickety's experience of me, makes me think it was the scum way.

You're going to have to provide some evidence for your read on me m8.

[House]

VOTE: LQ

@Bella the exchange between House and Lickety last page... Scum theatre? By which I mean do you think they could be of the same faction?

Why do you suspect we'd be scum of the same faction, specifically? Is it because neither one of us share your scum PT?

Funny. Because that seemed staged to me. Hence "scum theatre". You weren't the one I was asking, either. If I wanted your snark I would have said something like "hey house find something inane to make a jab at me for".

Right, we coordinated an argument pregame, you know... before I actually replaced in.

You're so samrt.

Staged /= pregame co-ordinated.

I'm obviously not smart if I have to defer to another player for an opinion. Still haven't asked yours and this exchange is pointless. Feel free to keep jabbing. I'm too tired to respond anyway and I don't wanna clog this up more.

So if we didn't coordinate it pregame, how else could we have "staged it"?

Go on... I'll wait.

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: LQ

@Bella the exchange between House and Lickety last page... Scum theatre? By which I mean do you think they could be of the same faction?

Why do you suspect we'd be scum of the same faction, specifically? Is it because neither one of us share your scum PT?

Funny. Because that seemed staged to me. Hence "scum theatre". You weren't the one I was asking, either. If I wanted your snark I would have said something like "hey house find something inane to make a jab at me for".

Good lord. Shading much?

[Ranger]

Ranger has there been any change in your reads since last time?

One or two.
{karnos, hiplop, Smithereens}
{JaeReed, Charloux, Kuroi}
{Creature, Almost50}
{Chip Butty, Kop, pistachi0n}
{sad}
{Bellaphant, DixC}
{House}
{LicketyQuickety}

You're going to have to provide some evidence for your read on me m8.

I really don't.

[LicketyQuickety]

Ranger has there been any change in your reads since last time?

One or two.
{karnos, hiplop, Smithereens}
{JaeReed, Charloux, Kuroi}
{Creature, Almost50}
{Chip Butty, Kop, pistachi0n}
{sad}
{Bellaphant, DixC}
{House}
{LicketyQuickety}

You're going to have to provide some evidence for your read on me m8.

I really don't.

Well OK then.

VOTE: Ranger

[JaeReed]

Lol I wish I could vote you twice.

@Ranger can you give me the summary of why smithereens is so high please? Or still too early?

[Ranger]

Ranger can you give me the summary of why smithereens is so high please? Or still too early?

To be perfectly honest, it's a super-strong sudden gut read that I can't really explain. I can't really put that into words.

[LicketyQuickety]

Lol I wish I could vote you twice.

@Ranger can you give me the summary of why smithereens is so high please? Or still too early?

Don't be silly. I haven't seen too many games where people get more than one vote. One will have to do, don't get greedy, other people have to play this game too.

[LicketyQuickety]

Ranger can you give me the summary of why smithereens is so high please? Or still too early?

To be perfectly honest, it's a super-strong sudden gut read that I can't really explain. I can't really put that into words.

If I didn't know any better I would say you are banking an awful lot on your reputation.

[Ranger]

I would say you are banking an awful lot on your reputation.

I bank on my reputation every game, so explicitly so, yes.
(I mean, burden of proficiency's still a fallacy, but that doesn't mean I refuse to use my reputation to my advantage.)

[LicketyQuickety]

I would say you are banking an awful lot on your reputation.

I bank on my reputation every game, so explicitly so, yes.
(I mean, burden of proficiency's still a fallacy, but that doesn't mean I refuse to use my reputation to my advantage.)

Well, then I suppose if that's the case I have all the more reason to Scum read you for relying on your reputation to substantiate your incorrect read on me.

[JaeReed]

I would say you are banking an awful lot on your reputation.

I bank on my reputation every game, so explicitly so, yes.
(I mean, burden of proficiency's still a fallacy, but that doesn't mean I refuse to use my reputation to my advantage.)

Well, then I suppose if that's the case I have all the more reason to Scum read you for relying on your reputation to substantiate your incorrect read on me.

Alright, how's this. I'd say it was originally a mild dislike of your RVS choice. You were the first one to not join the Almost flash-wagon, and instead chose to vote the person who started it. I'm not sure what that indicates, exactly, but it obviously indicated something to Ranger, and I'm inclined to trust her on RVS reads because it's kinda a thing she is good at.

I've thought about it multiple times and the only things I can come up with I'm personally not sure mean much either way. Basically, I'm thinking a subconscious thing where you have something to hide so you don't want to join the pile up. I'm not Ranger, but that's my guess as to why you were so low on the list.

I doubt it was anything solid and definitely a read where if you were town you could have elevated yourself. When you asked about her lists in a scummy as fuck way that showed little more than self preservation I'd say that changed the strength of the read. This was where you pinged me, but I figured it could be nothing, so whatever. Then your reaction to hiplop's vote had me wanting to vote you. 102 reads as "wah I got caught for what I think are the wrong reasons".

Then you proceeded to try to debunk all of Kuroi's scumhunting. Not just on yourself but on others. I don't see a way you're flipping town, mate. You failed the test.

In fact, the back and forth with you and House might even be you trying to stop Dixc from being caught "for the wrong reasons" as your buddy.

[JaeReed]

So if we didn't coordinate it pregame, how else could we have "staged it"?

Go on... I'll wait.

This is something that will actually contribute I think so I will answer.

I was thinking that because you both know each other is your scumbuddy it was a heads up from LQ to unvote and drop that line of reasoning to free yourself up to try to push a Ranger lynch. The back and forth just feels off to me and like a "we don't have daychat but mate drop that it's looking bad" kinda thing. The other possibility is that he was getting you off his buddy.

I've never been scum so I wouldn't know for sure. It just felt like it could be a forced distancing interaction where you realized what was happening and you both played it a bit.

I still want to know Bella's opinion because damnit, I want my IC and I want her to not be scum.

[pistachi0n]

VOTE: chip butty

Which of his two posts read scummy to you and why?

Neither. It was a random placeholder RVS vote. I picked him because his name stood out.

You're trying too hard.

VOTE: house