In post 372, Apricity wrote:Circumstances aside, I'm glad Yume claimed O_o People could've died. But that Yume push on the basis of a traitor assumption was really really bad. Still reading...
Stop being dumb and think about this from a scum perspective.
Who else is fishing for scum attention as much as Yume?
Yume has crumbed traitor since early game, for anyone looking for a scummate.
That's not just based on her roleplay b/s. I've already explained how her role itself is the perfect traitor powers. She admitted herself, wanting to neighborize scum.
In post 320, House wrote:Yume's role is tailor made for Traitor, who is part of group scum but not in the scum PT. The Traitor has to help scum mislynch town and drive wagons away from buddies,
which is hard to do when they don't know who their buddies are
.
So the Traitor has to hunt scum, but for scummy reasons.
Neighborizing scum allows the Traitor to communicate with their scum team and gives 2 members of scum day talk.
After the Traitor neighborizes their scum mate, they can use their second ability to kill a town PR by drawing night actions, furthering the scum win con.
Yume admitted to being a loner. Know who else is a loner? The Traitor.
If I remember right, this game isn't bastard. Which means that, according to the wiki, a traitor should know the identities of all the scum. That aside, I still don't like your push on Yume simply for flavor/role reasons. Even if she is the traitor, town can win without lynching the traitor as long as they catch all the groupscum. Why are you focusing so much on her when she's basically harmless as long as no one visits her?
I don't get it either. He didn't call your vote on him surprising, but rather House's reaction saying he liked that vote. I guess we'd need to wait for him. (House, I don't think you explained that part about liking the vote yet?)
In post 320, House wrote:Yume's role is tailor made for Traitor, who is part of group scum but not in the scum PT. The Traitor has to help scum mislynch town and drive wagons away from buddies,
which is hard to do when they don't know who their buddies are
.
So the Traitor has to hunt scum, but for scummy reasons.
Neighborizing scum allows the Traitor to communicate with their scum team and gives 2 members of scum day talk.
After the Traitor neighborizes their scum mate, they can use their second ability to kill a town PR by drawing night actions, furthering the scum win con.
Yume admitted to being a loner. Know who else is a loner? The Traitor.
If I remember right, this game isn't bastard. Which means that, according to the wiki, a traitor should know the identities of all the scum. That aside, I still don't like your push on Yume simply for flavor/role reasons. Even if she is the traitor, town can win without lynching the traitor as long as they catch all the groupscum. Why are you focusing so much on her when she's basically harmless as long as no one visits her?
But the scum doesn't know the identity of the traitor, duh.
Which is why she was advertising it.
And what's this bullshit about scum not being a danger to town? Traitor works directly against our living majority.
If she's town and we lynch her, we've lost a townie. If you're right that she's scum traitor and we lynch her, we're still no closer to our wincon which would be eliminating the groupscum. No one visiting her = no one dying because of her. You're focusing on a lesser priority right now, and the potential harm outweighs the benefits here.
In post 385, Apricity wrote:If she's town and we lynch her, we've lost a townie. If you're right that she's scum traitor and we lynch her, we're still no closer to our wincon which would be eliminating the groupscum. No one visiting her = no one dying because of her. You're focusing on a lesser priority right now, and the potential harm outweighs the benefits here.
Do you have other scumreads?
Wrong. She's scum and leaving her alive gives scum two benefits:
1) It makes it easier for them to obtain majority, having a member that isn't being lynched
2) They will target her tonight to be neighborize, giving them the ability to communicate and effectively making her group scum.
I don't know where you get off thinking scum won't target her after she specifically admitted fishing for scum to neighborize after crumbing the shit out of traitor.
FYI: I went back a couple pages trying to see where I need to start catching up and also what the last vote count was and I noticed a couple things:
1. House kept going around and voting everyone. He holds onto the vote like he's playing hot potato. It's a bit unsettling, but I'll read it and see if it makes sense.
2. I don't think we have an updated vote count. Mod, please?
Edited in to pagetop. Numbers and ordering are terrible but all votes should be right.
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In post 390, KuroiXHF wrote:FYI: I went back a couple pages trying to see where I need to start catching up and also what the last vote count was and I noticed a couple things:
1. House kept going around and voting everyone. He holds onto the vote like he's playing hot potato. It's a bit unsettling, but I'll read it and see if it makes sense.
2. I don't think we have an updated vote count. Mod, please?
In post 385, Apricity wrote:If she's town and we lynch her, we've lost a townie. If you're right that she's scum traitor and we lynch her, we're still no closer to our wincon which would be eliminating the groupscum. No one visiting her = no one dying because of her. You're focusing on a lesser priority right now, and the potential harm outweighs the benefits here.
Do you have other scumreads?
Wrong. She's scum and leaving her alive gives scum two benefits:
1) It makes it easier for them to obtain majority, having a member that isn't being lynched
2) They will target her tonight to be neighborize, giving them the ability to communicate and effectively making her group scum.
I don't know where you get off thinking scum won't target her after she specifically admitted fishing for scum to neighborize after crumbing the shit out of traitor.
Why are you so sure I am scum? I could be town too you know. Try reading again while assuming I am a townie. If none of the points I made make sense from town perspective, then fine, lynch me. But NOT before looking at another angle.
In post 227, Frozen Angel wrote:I'm asking for your involvement so I can ask questions about them and read you guys.
Its not working vise versa for me.
and I kind of asked you guys to involve more? what should I do to make you get involved? dance?
"Hey gaiz plz post" = lazy busywork
We're on d1, surely you don't know exactly why everybody said everything they did, already? Why not ask for clarification on ambiguous posts, if you want more involvement? Why not ask for reasons on reads even if you think you already know the answer? The answer given might surprise you and give you something work with.
I agree with House here.
In post 238, Frozen Angel wrote:my push on Apricity was becuase of the whole post restriction conversation thing and I will do the same if you put me in the same situation. I don't consider activity AI - ever - and I completly suck in reading lurkers. if you can read them then good for you.
I'm beginning to think you town read Yume for flavor reasons.
In post 349, Yume wrote:You know what? You wanted me to shoot you so I will, rather than have you spout a rubbish about how I am scum while ignoring points that don't support that theory.
Shoot: House
This is the worst reaction test I've ever seen.
In post 354, Yume wrote:Squirm more, scum. You failed to pass my test.
In post 320, House wrote:Yume's role is tailor made for Traitor, who is part of group scum but not in the scum PT. The Traitor has to help scum mislynch town and drive wagons away from buddies,
which is hard to do when they don't know who their buddies are
.
So the Traitor has to hunt scum, but for scummy reasons.
Neighborizing scum allows the Traitor to communicate with their scum team and gives 2 members of scum day talk.
After the Traitor neighborizes their scum mate, they can use their second ability to kill a town PR by drawing night actions, furthering the scum win con.
Yume admitted to being a loner. Know who else is a loner? The Traitor.
If I remember right, this game isn't bastard. Which means that, according to the wiki, a traitor should know the identities of all the scum. That aside, I still don't like your push on Yume simply for flavor/role reasons. Even if she is the traitor, town can win without lynching the traitor as long as they catch all the groupscum. Why are you focusing so much on her when she's basically harmless as long as no one visits her?
The hell? Why are we bringing traitor into this? And who has ever heard of a traitor vig?
In post 385, Apricity wrote:If she's town and we lynch her, we've lost a townie. If you're right that she's scum traitor and we lynch her, we're still no closer to our wincon which would be eliminating the groupscum. No one visiting her = no one dying because of her. You're focusing on a lesser priority right now, and the potential harm outweighs the benefits here.
Do you have other scumreads?
It's over explaining like this which makes me consider you scum all over again.
In post 390, KuroiXHF wrote:FYI: I went back a couple pages trying to see where I need to start catching up and also what the last vote count was and I noticed a couple things:
1. House kept going around and voting everyone. He holds onto the vote like he's playing hot potato. It's a bit unsettling, but I'll read it and see if it makes sense.
2. I don't think we have an updated vote count. Mod, please?
I did voted apricity becuase the reason I posted below my vote. and I questioned her about it in the next series of my posts. what do you mean I didn't push apricity ?
and no , Its like how yume is. the way she role played at start was very townish in my eyes and the way she is reacting to house right now is a replica of her main acc as town. her scum game is very obvious and this is not like it.
but the way she roleclaimed and later flavor claimed was a bit off in my eyes. I didn't like her "you don't know my character so why do you want to know my flavor" and her "I wanted scum her to visit me" with following up "I don't think your scum I was just talking about his pov"
its like she is not rying to solve me at all and from what I know from her she eiather ends up townreading or scum reading me so hard when the game starts going forward. she is fine with me being scumreaded by him and she is not scum reading me is something I don't like.
and House I don't know anything about Yume's flavor choice. I searched that image and I found out she is claiming she is hack\\sign anime character : tsukasa if its related to context. I didn't have time to research more about it
Kuroi, did you even read up properly? House was the one who brought the whole traitor thing up. And no one mentioned anything about a vig so idk where you're pulling that from O_o And if you think that's overexplaining, please go read what happened again--House wants Yume dead because he thinks she's mafia traitor based on her role claim.
